[Cultural Jihad]

It is understood that people have a right to determine what kind of a society they are to live in. Furthermore, people have a right to alter or change their government at will. That is freedom. But no one has a right to commit murder or insurrection against a lawful government. If the ideologues are trying to claim that because they got a speeding ticket last week or were forced to pay child support or were busted for drug trafficking and can't legally vote or own weapons and that they have a "Constitutional right" to drive, work, imbibe, or shoot unhindered by any so-called "jack-booted thug," then they are really just criminals trying to hide under the Constitution. Conservatives do not allow scoundrels and criminals to so seek shelter.

[GeronL]

When Government becomes criminal, it should be replaced. By the ballot or the sword is immaterial

[Tuor]

But no one has a right to commit murder or insurrection against a lawful government.

I guess those guys in Philly around two and a quarter centuries ago should've all been rounded up and shot. They were, after all, rebelling against a lawful government. At least, the English Parliment would say they were the lawful government.

I guess it depends on your point of view?

Tuor

[copycat]

. But no one has a right to commit murder or insurrection against a lawful government.

ONe does have a right to commit insurrection against a lawful government, if that government does not meet the desires of the insurrectionist, however, I recommend to that person that he try to incorporate a few million of his closest friends. The solitary insurrectionist is doomed to failure.

On the flip side, since you cowardly chose "lawful" govt, (not the topic of this thread), when one is confronted by unlawful government, one has a moral DUTY to throw off such government, and to disobey unlawful statutes.

Laws which protect society or the "collective", such as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre, are inconsistent with the American system. Rather, one who yells "Fire" should subsequently be punished for any damage or injury caused by him, rather than society attempting to outlaw said activity before the fact.

That approach is inconsistent with indivdual liberty.

It is clear that you value the needs of society above the needs of the individual. As such, you are both a statist and a socialist.

Your cultural Jihad leads to a society of slaves at the mercy of Federal power.