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The West Bank: How Long Can This Continue?
Time.com ^ | Saturday, March 30, 2002 | TONY KARON

Posted on 03/30/2002 3:21:58 AM PST by JohnHuang2

Nobody expected Ariel Sharon to embrace the Arab League's latest peace offer, and not only because of the latest round of suicide bombings in Israel. Continues here.

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Moral Equivalence?

Fed up with Arafat's double-dealing and duplicity, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon went on the offense yesterday, seizing the West Bank town of Ramallah and laying seige to Arafat's terrorist headquarters there.

For Sharon, the straw that broke the Camel's back came on Wednesday, with the deadly suicide bombing attack at the Park hotel in Israel's resort town of Netanya.

As many as 250 Israelis had gathered in the hotel's banquet hall for the Passover Seder, which heralds the traditional 8-day observance commemorating Israel's exodus from biblical Egypt. "Suddenly, it was hell", is how Nechama Donenhirsch, one of the diners, describes it. The bomber rushed into the hall and blew herself up, killing 22 and wounding more than 130 innocent civilians.

The bloodcurdling carnage was the dastardly handiwork of Hamas, a pathological Islamic death cult whose scorching hatred for Jews rivals that of German Nazis under Hitler's Third Reich.

The Klu Klux Klan, the Skin Heads, the Aryan Nation and their ilk have nothing on Hamas nor any of the plethora of fascist Islamic hate cults flurishing under Arafat's corrupt, tyrannical misrule. The so-called "territories" have literally become the ugly spawning ground of demented Hitler-fans, a veritable psycho-ward where 'Mein Kemp' is a runaway best-seller.

Not content with Wednesday's massacre of Jews, Islamic fascists on Friday were at it again, this time targeting a supermarket in a Jewish working class neighborhood in southeastern Jerusalem. Thankfully, the suicide bomber was stopped by a security guard at the entrance to the Kiryat Yovel strip mall, preventing an even greater carnage.

The 18-year-old Islamic storm trooper blew herself up, killing the guard, one other civilian and wounding at least 19 others.

Tellingly, the attacker was a member of the ruthless Al Aqsa Brigades, a band of barbaric savages linked to Arafat's Fatah gangsters.

Meanwhile, Israel's Ramallah actions sparked a cacophony of caterwauling from the usual gaggle of Neville-Chamberlain-wannabees.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called on both sides "to exercise responsible leadership".

Javier Solana, head-huncho for European Union foreign and security policy, huffed and puffed that military force was no solution. His carping was echoed by French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said that "never has there been a greater need for restraint to be shown on both sides."

You see, in Straw's twisted world, neither side is right, neither side is wrong. To him and his morally diseased ilk, it's all the same. The technical term is 'moral equivalence'. As Straw sees it, bloody Islamic terrorism, which targets innocent civilians, and Jewish self-preservation are morally the same -- equivalent.

Sick, eh? You bet.

Memo to Sec. Straw: Take your moral blinders off, you buffoon.

My two cents...
"JohnHuang2"



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Saturday, March 30, 2002

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1 posted on 03/30/2002 3:21:58 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: dennisw;zion_ist;The Sword;Sabramerican;xm177e2;lent;zion_ist;angelo;Veronica;GeronL...
Gotta run..see y'all later.
2 posted on 03/30/2002 3:23:53 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: xm177e2;mercy;Wait4Truth;hole_n_one;GretchenEE;Clinton's a rapist;buffyt;ladyinred;WolfsView...
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3 posted on 03/30/2002 3:27:11 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called on both sides "to exercise responsible leadership".

That would assume both sides to have responsible leaders.
Yassar Arafat: "It's not my fault! I just can't control those waskly tewwowists."

4 posted on 03/30/2002 3:30:30 AM PST by shezza
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To: JohnHuang2
Lrt's see. Ramadan was the time that we should give in to the muslims and stop military actions, or so said the EU. Where is their condemnation of the muslims for their attacks that coincided with passover. It sure seems that racism against the jews is alive and well in europe. Their hypocrisy makes me sick. a pox on their collective houses.
5 posted on 03/30/2002 3:30:42 AM PST by set the record straight
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To: set the record straight
The world is nuts.
6 posted on 03/30/2002 3:41:06 AM PST by DB
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To: set the record straight
Have you noticed that these "Peace Activists" act as human shields to protect the innocent Palestinians. But, you never hear of them acting as human shields to protect Israelis at say a Passover Seder or a Bat Mitzvah or a supermarket?
7 posted on 03/30/2002 4:04:45 AM PST by ozdragon
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To: JohnHuang2
There is an unpleasant and simple reality here: no peace can exist in this region until either the Israelis or the Pales win. One or the other.

Forget U.S. aid or even our "position" on this. The problem is the Jews in that Israel is tremendously liberal. Until the Israelis finally decide that their national survival is at stake, and there can be no compromise, they will continue to suffer. I have a friend who heads a conservative think tank in Jerusalem, and it is remarkable how liberal and socialistic this country is. THAT is the root of the problem---it is a nation populated by former American "reform" Jews.

8 posted on 03/30/2002 4:10:49 AM PST by LS
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To: LS
"it is a nation populated by former American "reform" Jews."

Actually it is more like a nation populated by Russian and Eastern-European refugees, most of whom grew up in Socialist nations (or Communist ones) and have no idea of what political freedom and economic liberty are.

I am a Jew and a supporter of Israel, but I wonder if pouring U.S. dollars into Israel is the right way to teach them about these concepts. On the other hand, all the $$$ flows mainly because they have to defend themselves and have not the means. A vicious circle.

The "Israeli" accent is not an American one; it is a strong eastern-european accent, with a dash of Russian accent for flavoring.

--Boris

9 posted on 03/30/2002 4:24:31 AM PST by boris
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To: JohnHuang2
...U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called on both sides "to exercise responsible leadership"....The technical term is 'moral equivalence'.

John...Thanks for the moral equivalence writeup. But I think you may be missing the central villain in all this, ...the post-modernist US hating editors at "All the news fit to pervert" NYTimes.

If Iran/Iraq/NKorea constitute the "axis of evil", it is NYTimes that is day and night, supplying the intellectual support system for this axis of evil.

10 posted on 03/30/2002 4:49:34 AM PST by livingfree
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To: ozdragon
Have you noticed that these "Peace Activists" act as human shields to protect the innocent Palestinians. But, you never hear of them acting as human shields to protect Israelis ...

That's because they know that the Israelis would most likely refrain from violence in this situation, whereas the palestinians don't care who they murder with their human bombs (as was the case in the bus suicide-bombing last week--when 3 or 4 Arabs were killed along with some Israeli soldiers)

11 posted on 03/30/2002 4:54:59 AM PST by twyn1
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To: JohnHuang2
John, I now search for your posts each day. They are well thought-out and are always right on target.

If you were on tv opposite Bill O'Reilly I would choose to watch your program because it would be more "pithy". (O'reilly trademark quote)

12 posted on 03/30/2002 4:55:28 AM PST by capt. norm
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To: JohnHuang2
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called on both sides "to exercise responsible leadership".

it appears everyone caught this statement!

I don't think it will be possible to get a responsible leader with the PLO when their main objective the the total annilation of the Jews. We may as well have hitler to deal with and the only thing that forced him out and to put a bullet in his head was to completly destroy his forces. This is what i feel needs to be done with arafat and his reign of terror!
But! the world won't allow that....

13 posted on 03/30/2002 6:02:33 AM PST by The Mayor
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To: JohnHuang2
Bttttttttt
14 posted on 03/30/2002 6:29:59 AM PST by Lent
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To: LS
"There is an unpleasant and simple reality here: no peace can exist in this region until either the Israelis or the Pales win."

Correct, but only partially. The threat to Israeli security only manifests itself in the form of Palestinian suicide bombers. The real threat is in the oligarchies and dictatorships of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and on, and on, and on.

Until Israel and most importantly a majority of Americans realize and accept this, neither will Israel nor the United States and for that matter the rest of the western world have secure peace free from the insidious ideology of Fundamental Islam.

The only way the powers that control those Arab/Muslim nations can keep that control is to feed their poor citizens with continued bombardment their plight is due to Western cultures and religions not Islamic.

Unfortunately, I am not sure we (Americans in the main, but all of western civilization) will accept the fact and act accordingly until an event that makes 911 look like a Sunday School picnic occurs.

Our war is with Fundamental Islam and every nation state that subscribes to it in any fashion. And to achieve a real victory it is going to take a resolve equal or greater to that we enjoyed while executing both of the previous World Wars.

We don't currently have that resolve and I am not at all convinced we will ever have it. The only way for this madness to end is to end it at it's root.

This is not a WAR about Religion. It is a WAR about survival, pure and simple, in my humble estimation.

15 posted on 03/30/2002 6:30:37 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: JohnHuang2
The Klu Klux Klan, the Skin Heads, the Aryan Nation and their ilk have nothing on Hamas nor any of the plethora of fascist Islamic hate cults flurishing under Arafat's corrupt, tyrannical misrule.

This sentence just tells it like it is. No apologies, not PC. Just right.

5.56mm

16 posted on 03/30/2002 6:36:16 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: LS
The problem is the Jews in that Israel is tremendously liberal.

That is part of the problem . The other is that Israel is NOT a self sufficient nation capable of taking part in world commerce and at the same time providing for its own defense.

They are completely dependent on USA military and financial support
That also makes their influence on American lawmakers vital to their survival. And they have used it in the past. That is one reason why Buchanan seems so anti-Israel. I am sure he is very resentful of the Jewish pressure that was put on the Nixon administration to support Israel while at the same time the majority of American Jewish groups were fighting every attempt by the administrations to strengthen our military and fight communism.

Sorry if this offends some but it is the truth
17 posted on 03/30/2002 6:56:09 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Let's see. "Jews" in the US opposed Nixon on policy issues - just "Jews" I take it, no one else pressured the Nixon administration on these issues - and that justifies Pat Buchanan in wanting to leave "Jews" in Israel to die at the hands of our own nation's enemies. Because, of course, all "Jews" are guilty whenever any "Jew" anywhere does anything Pat Buchanan disapproves of.

I suppose that it was also justifiable for Pontius Pilate to kill the "Jew" Jesus because he resented the way "Jews" had resisted the Roman imperial administration, eh?

18 posted on 03/30/2002 7:03:32 AM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks again for moral sanity. A lot of us need to hear some this morning.
19 posted on 03/30/2002 7:08:39 AM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: JohnHuang2
British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said that "never has there been a greater need for restraint to be shown on both sides."

You see, in Straw's twisted world, neither side is right, neither side is wrong. To him and his morally diseased ilk, it's all the same. The technical term is 'moral equivalence'. As Straw sees it, bloody Islamic terrorism, which targets innocent civilians, and Jewish self-preservation are morally the same -- equivalent.

Sick, eh? You bet.

Memo to Sec. Straw: Take your moral blinders off, you buffoon.

JohnHuang2, you continue to make me proud to be American!

May God continue to heap his blessings upon you and upon all of those you love!

20 posted on 03/30/2002 8:28:35 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: JohnHuang2
Good job, John! Related link below picture.......


http://i.timeinc.net/time/daily/2002/0203/tank0329.jpg

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Just as revealing was the reaction from the European media. In the American press, you read things like: "An observer to the bomb-blast scene described a dead young girl, perhaps 10 or 12, lying on the ground with her eyes open, looking as if she was surprised." For Europe, on the other hand, the main significance of this development was that it was "unhelpful" to the "peace process". Before I'm accused of being more upset about dead Jewish than dead Muslim kids, let me say that I take people at their own estimation: in the Palestinian Authority schools, they teach their children about the glories of martyrdom; indeed, the careers guidance counsellor appears to have little information on alternative employment prospects; at social events, the moppets are dressed up as junior jihadi, with toy detonators and play bombs. It's not that I place less value on Palestinian lives, but that Chairman Arafat and his chums in Hamas do. So does Saddam Hussein, whose government (the subject of an admiring article in this week's Spectator) gives $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber. So does the Arab League, which at last year's summit passed a resolution hailing the "spirit of sacrifice" of the Palestinian "martyrs" and thus licensed Wednesday's massacre. As for the "peace process", those Europeans who, just a few months ago, were urging the Americans to cease operations for Ramadan evidently feel no compunction to demand from Chairman Arafat and his dark subsidiaries any similar "bombing pause" for Passover.

In the days after September 11, we were told that Muslims had great respect for their fellow "people of the book" - ie, Jews and Christians. This ought to be so: after all, the dramatis personae of the Koran include Abraham, Moses, David, John the Baptist, Jesus and the Virgin Mary. It's one thing to believe that the Israelis are occupiers and oppressors and that the Zionist state should not exist. But no Muslim with any understanding of his shared heritage could in good conscience blow up a Passover Seder. It marks a new low in the Palestinians' descent into nihilism - though, as usual, the silence of the imams is deafening. As for the nonchalance of the Europeans, that too should not surprise us: in my experience, the Continent's Christians, practising and nominal, find the ceremonies of Jewish life faintly creepy, notwithstanding that these were also the rituals by which their own Saviour lived.

But this year, when the Christians' solar calendar and the Jews' lunar calendar have coincided and Easter and Passover fall together, it's a safe bet that George W Bush will make the connection. The first time I ever heard him speak, he spoke openly about his faith and about Christ in a way that would be unimaginable for a British politician. He will know all the details - "the baby tried to crawl away, but it died, too".......................

21 posted on 03/30/2002 9:28:56 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: JohnHuang2
You always know you're dealing with the dark side when they give you 'moral equivalence'. It's like a neon sign on their forehead.

I'm not sure why God left us here but I'm glad he posted easy to read road signs. I wonder where we're going? I trust it will all be worth it in the end however.

22 posted on 03/30/2002 9:39:14 AM PST by mercy
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To: ImpBill
I like your comments. BUMP. I would add ....

THIS IS A TEST.

The results of this test will decide the fate of your nation.

Choose carefully.

23 posted on 03/30/2002 9:43:51 AM PST by mercy
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To: JohnHuang2
British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said that "never has there been a greater need for restraint to be shown on both sides."

As Straw sees it, bloody Islamic terrorism, which targets innocent civilians, and Jewish self-preservation are morally the same -- equivalent.

Exactly right! Thanks for another great article, John.

24 posted on 03/30/2002 1:15:29 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: JohnHuang2
Thank you dear friend.
25 posted on 03/30/2002 1:54:06 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: uncbob
Bob, you may be right on Israel's dependence. However, this has been one of the main foci of my friend's conservative think tank in Jerusalem, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies---to reduce Israel's socialism so that it CAN become self-sustainable. I do think it possible for Israel to break its bonds, but the fact is that so far, the Israelis' "liberalness" negatively affects both their military position and their economic progress.
26 posted on 03/30/2002 2:16:47 PM PST by LS
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To: JohnHuang2
Memo to Sec. Straw: Take your moral blinders off, you buffoon.

What a terrible affront to buffoons, JH2. Apologies are in order.

27 posted on 03/30/2002 2:18:26 PM PST by RobFromGa
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To: ImpBill
Unfortunately, I tend to agree with almost everything you said. I don't know that it is MORE "Islamic fundamentalism" and less dictatorships, but the fact is that there appear to be more dictatorships in these Islamic nations, so there obviously is a connection. I would probably take it to an even deeper spiritual connection, but people really get nervous when you do that!
28 posted on 03/30/2002 2:18:47 PM PST by LS
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks John,

I was watching Fox News today, and as interesting as it was I couldn't handle the 27th run through on Queen Margaret so I started flipping. I confess, I stopped on CNN, (that'll teach me), anyway, one of their reporters in Israel was speaking with Israel's Foreign Minister.

What a jerk that reporter was. Not a shred of respect. For crying out loud, he is the Foreign Minister and he was nice enough to stop and answer your questions in the middle of chaos. The coffee shop bombing had just occurred and this boob of a reporter is calling the Foreign Minister a liar because he's denying Arafat's BS that Israel had warned him they were coming in to get him.

"Well, why would Chairman Arafat lie to us?" Hey idiot, because that's what he does!

This idiocy that only sees one side of the morality of something is wide spread. Sad...

29 posted on 03/30/2002 5:31:18 PM PST by terilyn
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To: JohnHuang2
Fatah kills Israeli's, Israel told not to respond, Arafat asked to reign in terrorists... oh and btw, Arafat is leader of Fatah.

Please Mr. Fox, tell your pack to stop stealing our chickens

30 posted on 03/30/2002 7:26:44 PM PST by GeronL
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To: livingfree
But I think you may be missing the central villain in all this, ...the post-modernist US hating editors at "All the news fit to pervert" NYTimes.

Indeed. Matter of fact, on the left in general.

Yesterday evening, while poring over a trail of anguishing accounts of still more suicide bombing attacks in Israel, I stumbled onto yet another repulsive reminder of unbridled hypocrisy on the left.

Left-wingers relish parading themselves as heroic champions of "human rights" and "democracy", of "peace" and reconciliation", rather than war. To hear these snake-oil con-artists tell it, they -- and only they -- are the noble vanguard, gallantly battling -- not nations nor armies -- but racism, fascism, anti-semitism and other dark human impulses or aberrations.

Oh, they're champions, alright; indeed, they've set a world record -- for brazen shamelessness.

Make that two world records. Add hypocrisy.

Item: A European Kumbaya brigade of "peace activists" on Sunday stormed through lines of Israeli soldiers surrounding Arafat's terrorist headquarters in Ramallah. Their "mission"? Forming a "human shield" to guard Arafat, the terrorist butcher holed-up inside.

In Bethlehem's Azar and Aida refugee camps, another contingent of "international volunteers" formed "human shields" around "Palestinian" terrorists.

Some might dismiss this clique of Bohemians (there were 200 in all) as screwballs and kooks, but, in fact, their solidarity with Arafat -- a Hitler-wannabe who's called for hordes of suicide bombers to swarm Israel with mayhem and death -- is typical of liberalism's pervasive anti-semitism today.

For Jew-baiting, no one tops media darling golden-boy Al Sharpton. The sanctimonious charlatan poses as "civil rights" leader, no less. Sharpton wears his ugly bigotry proudly -- on his sleeves. He and Jesse L. Jackson are two peas in a pod.

Or how about Gore Vidal? The Jew-bashing novelist might as well wear a swastika armband.

Or the rancid anti-semitism of Alexander Cockburn, a chip off the old Soviet Bloc, as Nation Review would say?

Or, how about the U.N., the golden-calf of the left? The Israel-bashing, anti-semitism sizzles fiercer there than at a Klu Klux Klan rally.

Or how about the citadel of liberalism itself -- Big Media? The boardcast networks and CNN operate as veritable "Palestinian" mouthpieces, regurgitating every Jew-hating swill and slander from Arafat and his ilk like affiliates of al-Jeezera TV.

The Jewish state is relentlessly maligned as ruthless, cruel, oppressive; whereas, cold-blooded suicide bombers who blow up crowded Pizzerias in Jerusalem are routinely romantized as 'fearless' 'warriors', willing to die for a 'noble' and 'just' 'cause'.

A neo-Nazi Skinhead or Klansman would beam with delight at the flagrant and egregious pro-Arafat slant at the Gray Lady. The New York Times' deserves a yellow journalism award, so appallingly one-sided has been its "reporting" on mideast affairs.

At the Times, Israel can do no right, "Palestinians" can do no wrong. Arafat and the bloodthirsty goon-squad of hoodlums and thugs he directs are placed on equal moral footing with Israel's freely elected government.

Bigotry, Jew-bashing, hate and intolerance are alive and well on the left.

My two cents...
"JohnHuang2"


31 posted on 04/01/2002 2:22:50 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: capt. norm
Thank you, my friend. Appreciate your vote-of-confidence =^)
32 posted on 04/01/2002 2:28:28 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: M Kehoe
Gracias, amigo.
33 posted on 04/01/2002 2:29:04 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Southern Federalist
You're welcome, and thanks for your vote-of-confidence, friend.
34 posted on 04/01/2002 2:29:37 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Brian Allen
Thank you, thank you, my friend.
35 posted on 04/01/2002 2:30:07 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Brian Allen
May God continue to heap his blessings upon you and upon all of those you love!

Same to you, friend.

36 posted on 04/01/2002 2:30:44 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the link =^)
37 posted on 04/01/2002 2:31:10 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: mercy
Re: #22 - amen.
38 posted on 04/01/2002 2:31:38 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Gracias, mi hermana =^)
39 posted on 04/01/2002 2:32:00 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Snow Bunny
You're welcome, my friend =^)
40 posted on 04/01/2002 2:32:19 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: RobFromGa
What a terrible affront to buffoons, JH2. Apologies are in order.

hehehe...

I hereby offer my sincerest apologies to buffoons! ;^)

41 posted on 04/01/2002 2:33:53 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: terilyn
You are so right, terilyn. And, yet, that is so typical of CNN. Disgusting.
42 posted on 04/01/2002 2:35:05 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: GeronL
Bump!
43 posted on 04/01/2002 2:35:45 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
You're welcomed! :O)
44 posted on 04/01/2002 6:54:56 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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