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The Good Catholic's Response to Bad Priests
Bucks County Courier Times ^ | 4/3/02 | Claudio R. Salvucci

Posted on 04/03/2002 10:49:38 AM PST by Antoninus

The Good Catholic's Response to Bad Priests
Claudio R. Salvucci

April 3, 2002

Our sex-obsessed culture has deluded itself with the ridiculous Freudian error that every sexual thought or fantasy not acted upon is a repression.

So muddled with lust have we become, so enslaved to our own self-gratification, that too many of us can no longer even conceive of a life lived in virginal purity. We see no dignity in it, only a condition to be pitied.

So some are suggesting that the Catholic priesthood, in the face of all the recent scandals, accept those ideas and make a grudging concession to human lust.

And that is exactly wrong.

It was precisely by conceding to lust in the first place that the priesthood got into this awful mess.

One curiously omitted question emerges from all of these so-called pedophilia scandals: Why do an estimated 80-90 percent of the victims of these molestations happen to be teen-age boys? True pedophiles tend to prey on pre-pubescent members of the opposite sex - not same-sex adolescents, which characterizes a different disorder called ephebophilia.

Many of us obedient Catholics, so ready to grant priests and bishops the benefit of the doubt, are now slowly becoming aware of a vast gay network quietly tolerated in the seminaries, the priesthood and even in the highest levels of church hierarchy.

Two respected and highly acclaimed books: Fr. Donald Cozzens' "The Changing Face of the Priesthood" and Michael Rose's "Goodbye! Good Men" frankly admit that the priesthood is "becoming a gay profession." Our local Catholic radio station, WISP 1570, recently featured a hard-hitting show describing how seminarians encountered difficulties for being "too masculine." St. Sebastian's Angels, a networking Website for gay priests, was only recently shut down. An anonymous priest interviewed by the Boston Globe described the sexual propositioning, harassment and intimidation he faced at the hands of a gay subculture in the seminary - "and I know guys who left because of it."

So what is to be done about this problem?

Some American bishops have adopted this idea that having homosexual inclinations doesn't matter in the seminary, that as long as the candidate lives in celibacy, there's no sin in the orientation. That is of course theologically true, but is it psychologically wise?

Suppose, analogously, we were to take a priest with the normal male attractions, and drop him right smack into a convent of nuns: eating, working, bathing, and sleeping among the opposite sex, 24 hours a day. Well, that would be sheer madness, utter insanity. Of course, we hope he wouldn't do anything to violate his chastity, but meanwhile we've vastly multiplied his near occasions to sin - the opportunities for sexual temptation to be enflamed and acted upon.

That is exactly what we are doing when we ordain gay men.

Folks, the monasteries and rectories are barracks in the army of Jesus Christ; housing men with a divine mission for which they need to be focused, clear-headed, and free from distraction. Just as in the military, a community of strong men provides the best environment for that condition to be met.

When homosexuality enters this system, the whole thing becomes utter bedlam. Suddenly, the opportunities for sex are numerous and immediate. Perhaps that is why the priesthood is said to be sought by some homosexual men.

Certainly, not every homosexual priest will act upon his temptations, but what right do we have to put him in danger of doing so? Do we have no healthy respect for the weaknesses of human nature?

There is only one solution here, and it is this: the seminaries must refuse Holy Orders to those with same-sex attractions. Not just for the overall good of the priesthood, but for the good of their own souls. For it is no act of charity to let a man become a priest in this life, only to be tempted into damnation in the next.

Claudio Salvucci of Bristol reminds Catholics that the best thing to do for priests - good or bad - is to pray for them.

An archive of Salvucci's columns may be found at: The I, Claudio web site


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1 posted on 04/03/2002 10:49:38 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Amen
2 posted on 04/03/2002 10:56:48 AM PST by Mercat
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To: Antoninus
It seems to me that during the upheaval after Vatican II, the church may have somewhat welcomed homosexual priests for a reason I haven't seen discussed. Nobody really understands homosexuality, and perhaps the church leaders thought that homosexual priests would be chaste and here comes the kicker:

There was a mass exodus of priests after Vatican II to marry. After going to all the expense of educating and training them, they left, as did lots of nuns.

Perhaps the church erroneously thought that homosexual priests wouldn't cause the scandals that heterosexual priests got themselves into with women.

I would rather have maintained the ideal of celibacy but now I have come to believe that allowing more married priests would increase the pool of worthy men from which to choose.

3 posted on 04/03/2002 10:57:45 AM PST by Aliska
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To: roachie; ventana; redhead; Lady In Blue; Cap'n_Crunch; notwithstanding; wideawake; fatima...
Ping...
4 posted on 04/03/2002 10:59:01 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Great article. The analogy is perfect.
5 posted on 04/03/2002 11:02:53 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Aliska
I would rather have maintained the ideal of celibacy but now I have come to believe that allowing more married priests would increase the pool of worthy men from which to choose.

Indeed it would. It would also create a class of part-time priests, rather than the multitude of good, honorable men we have today who have given their whole lives to Christ. A celibate priest never has to choose between going out at 3 AM to adminster last rights to a dying parishoner, or staying home to care for his sick child.

Personally, I pray that the Church retains the discipline of celibate priests, even if it meant that we are able to recruit fewer of them in our materialist culture. Once the homosexuals are rooted out, there will be a revival. Count on it.
6 posted on 04/03/2002 11:05:59 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Such common sense. Excellent. Why is this common sense lacking in our episcopacy?
7 posted on 04/03/2002 11:07:48 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Aliska
>>Perhaps the church erroneously thought that homosexual priests wouldn't cause the scandals that heterosexual priests got themselves into with women<<

I think this is true in part.

I think there was tremendous underdiscernment of the effects on the priesthood of allowing ten thousand heterosexuals to be forcibly separated in only a few years. This did two things-it greatly increased the proportion of gay priests as a fraction of the whole, and, it decreased the inhibitory effect on them of living and working with a substantial number of straight men.

But this begs the question of why the hierarchy reacted in this way. Many married priests tell the story that they were on the street, homeless and jobless, within 24 hours of announcing their situation.

This is quite a contrast to the situation of the gay child abusers.

Why do the bishops act as if the sin of heterosexual marriage by a priest is so uniquely horrible? I think it's because they truly feel sickened and horrified when a priest marries a woman.

Why they don't feel this way about gay child abusers, I don't know.

8 posted on 04/03/2002 11:07:49 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Antoninus
I most certainly pray for all the good priests who must share the cross of infamy with the pedophile sham priests, I will pray for the Church, I will pray for the innocent victims of the homosexual mafia within the Church, and I will pray for ordinary Catholics that their faith will remain strong.

But I cannot bring myself to pray for any predator hiding like a wolf in shepherd's clothing. God will deal with those, and I hope the civil authorities do, too.

9 posted on 04/03/2002 11:11:00 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Antoninus
He didn't just hit the baseball out of the ballpark ... it's now in orbit and someone should tell NORAD.
10 posted on 04/03/2002 11:12:21 AM PST by Campion
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To: Antoninus
A celibate priest never has to choose between going out at 3 AM to adminster last rights to a dying parishoner, or staying home to care for his sick child.

If the priest is married, his wife can care for the child.

This dilemma doesn't seem to be a problem for the married doctors I know.

We have married priests in the Church today: Anglican converts, three of whom are pastors of very large parishes in Ft. Worth.

That's far from "part-time."

11 posted on 04/03/2002 11:13:23 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: Jim Noble
Why do the bishops act as if the sin of heterosexual marriage by a priest is so uniquely horrible? I think it's because they truly feel sickened and horrified when a priest marries a woman.

You haven't heard the worst of it.

In two dioceses I know of, bishops are taking back men who left the priesthood to marry outside the Church (technically, "living in sin" their entire marriages), have divorced their wives, and have asked to come back.

If a priest was laicized, however, he can never come back to the ministry.

This is one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard of, yet it is happening.

12 posted on 04/03/2002 11:18:32 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: Jim Noble
It does seem that they (priests who left to marry) were booted with no "severance pay". Those pedophile priests and homosexually abusing priests will remain on the payroll until their dying day!

There are many things about the church's prioritizing sins I just don't understand, frankly.

There was a pretty lady in my RCIA class. She was there to try to come to grips with her divorce. She had been married to a priest. He went back to being a priest without her.

Now that isn't so uncommon and at the time I thought his first duty was probably to the church. Years later I am having slightly different thoughts. HE NEVER TOLD HER HE HAD BEEN A PRIEST. That was deceitful and grossly unfair. Uh oh. I'm being grossly unfair as I only heard her side of the story.

She did go on to marry someone else and probably never became catholic.

I don't know if your perception about the churchmen being more threatened by men who wish to marry females is greater than their fear of the havoc that homosexuals can cause. Why do they insist on protecting these priests even after they are removed from parishes? It really sends the wrong message, to me at least. Marry a woman and start from scratch. Cause trouble by abusing parishioners and you get retirement pay for the rest of your life. What's wrong with this picture?

All I know is that I get more upset about certain things that the church seems to gloss over sometimes. It all depends on one's vantage point I suppose.

13 posted on 04/03/2002 11:20:57 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Antoninus
I do hope you are right. Rooting out so many is going to cause terrific upheaval.
14 posted on 04/03/2002 11:22:48 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Antoninus
AMEN. Bump.
15 posted on 04/03/2002 11:25:44 AM PST by OxfordMovement
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To: sinkspur
I don't think I'm alone in thinking of this. I know I'm not because some catholic women have expressed it to me as well. Many priests do not like women; it's been ingrained for centuries. A respected catholic professional woman thinks the pope doesn't like women. She really likes him though. Go figure.
16 posted on 04/03/2002 11:28:11 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Antoninus
One more general comment. Most of the cases of alleged and real abuse occurred 20 and 30 years ago. I haven't heard about this happening lately, at least nowhere near the percentage that happened in the past.
17 posted on 04/03/2002 11:30:50 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Antoninus
Why do an estimated 80-90 percent of the victims of these molestations happen to be teen-age boys? True pedophiles tend to prey on pre-pubescent members of the opposite sex - not same-sex adolescents, which characterizes a different disorder called ephebophilia.

I've been preaching this all along. But you won't see the media touch this. When this finally hits the mainstream, many eyes will be opened and even the Boy Scouts will be exonerated. This whole issue is about homosexuality.

BTW, when statistically looking at the perpetrators and not the victims (pedophiles typically have more victims, i.e. Goeghan with 130) one sees that the percentage of ephebophiles and pedophiles is 98% ephebophiles compared to 2% pedophiles.

18 posted on 04/03/2002 11:33:49 AM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Antoninus
This is a HUGE problem in the US armed services ever since women were placed into the same units as men - and then ever since being a homosexual soldier was no longer verboten.

It makes no sense. (Same with coed dorm rooms on campus). Why on earth would we create such huge sexual temptation for people by placing them in such close quarters 24 hours a day?

19 posted on 04/03/2002 11:38:06 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Aliska
A respected catholic professional woman thinks the pope doesn't like women. She really likes him though. Go figure.

Has this friend of yours ever read anything written by the Pope? I've seen nothing in his writings to suggest that he doesn't like women. In my opinion, he not only likes women he RESPECTS us as well!

20 posted on 04/03/2002 11:38:10 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Notwithstanding
Clarification: I mean coed dorms where male rooms are next to female rooms.
21 posted on 04/03/2002 11:39:17 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: SuziQ
Yes, indeed she has (read a lot about the pope). She really likes the pope. She still admits that the pope doesn't like women. It's not over the priest issue either. It may have been the way the pope treated the woman from Pakistan and wouldn't have his picture taken with her. I'll ask her next time I talk to her to get clarification.

In public the pope has acted like he likes women. Deep down, I think he thinks women are inferior.

23 posted on 04/03/2002 11:44:07 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Antoninus
A celibate priest never has to choose between going out at 3 AM to adminster last rights to a dying parishoner, or staying home to care for his sick child.

Personally, I pray that the Church retains the discipline of celibate priests, even if it meant that we are able to recruit fewer of them in our materialist culture.

I think sinkspur gives the quantitative response to the full time / part time argument about married priesthood. I know several married priests that are holy and VERY hardworking priests. Their wives are extremely understanding and the Church benefits just as much. Heck, give me a HOLY part time married priest any day over some of the celebate beauties I've had to deal with in my life.

Also, this brings up some very real questions. Can a married priest be as holy as a celibate priest? I would have to say yes! Otherwise, one would have to say that any of the married priests, lati rite or otherwise, are deficient somehow or other. If a married priest can be as holy as a celibate priest, then wouldn't it be logical to make the discipline optional as it was for 1000 years. Yes, most were celibate, but the discipline that the eastern rite follows I think has merit. Will this gain the church any more priestly ordinations? I don't know! But one thing is for certain. An all male priesthood (which it must be) coupled with the discipline of celibacy, has been a closet space, so to speak, for a lot of homosexually oriented men. The percentage in the clergy is far greater than in the general population. And the seminaries are loaded with them.

24 posted on 04/03/2002 11:51:40 AM PST by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
BTW, when statistically looking at the perpetrators and not the victims (pedophiles typically have more victims, i.e. Goeghan with 130) one sees that the percentage of ephebophiles and pedophiles is 98% ephebophiles compared to 2% pedophiles.

Thanks for the info. Where did you find it? All I keep finding are vague approximations.

25 posted on 04/03/2002 11:51:51 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: Antoninus
There is only one solution here, and it is this: the seminaries must refuse Holy Orders to those with same-sex attractions.

Be prepared to lose about 2/3 of the seminarians at the Mount. It is an exception to be straight. You get written up for seeing a girl, but "shower games" are overlooked!

26 posted on 04/03/2002 11:59:25 AM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Aliska
I also agree with the idea of cleaning up the pool with some normal, heterosexual married priests.

The problem is that many Catholics pride themselves on their "differences" with protestantism, and the celibate priesthood is one of those differences. Any little thing that strikes of going over to the other side makes them squirm. :)

27 posted on 04/03/2002 12:00:35 PM PST by joathome
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To: Snuffington
Where did you find it?

This was a study done out in the Chicago Diocese. Philip Jenkins was involved with it. More info coming out from the CMA (Catholic Medical Association) that will blow this wide open. The most recent "Our Sunday Visitor" has this as a main feature. Excellant read!

28 posted on 04/03/2002 12:02:57 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
Be prepared to lose about 2/3 of the seminarians at the Mount

Fine. So be it. I don't care if it would be all of them. If they're all perverts, they all need to go. Now. Then get rid of the lesbian feminazi sisters who run the vocations office. Replace them with all the prospective seminarians that the FSSP had to turn away for lack of space.

AB

29 posted on 04/03/2002 12:03:44 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Antoninus
God calls homosexual and heterosexual men to the sacred priesthood. This is evidenced from the fact that both are serving God in the sacred priesthood today. He expects them to lead pure, holy, celibate and chaste lives. If they do not and give scandal the bishop should deal with them in a manner he deems appropriate. The out-of=control mob screaming from the sidelines should let God be God and let the people He chose to rule His Church rule Her. If the rulers fail let God punish them. (Might read Dante's "Inferno".) It's the way Christ established His Church. Remember, this is Christ's Church and none of us need fear for the Holy Spirit is in charge.
30 posted on 04/03/2002 12:06:32 PM PST by Renatus
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To: sinkspur
This happened in my hometown in south Louisiana while I was a teen--a priest ran off with a woman and married her. They took him back, when he divorced her. We also had Gilbert Gauthe in our church. And a male organist who made passes at boys. We also had a deacon who used to date women in the church, and get real cozy (at least they were adults). Haven't had any scandals in subsequent churches.....just liberal priests who can't preach and will NOT talk about any type of sexual sin. I won't speculate why.

If I sound disillusioned, I am.

31 posted on 04/03/2002 12:07:46 PM PST by joathome
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To: Judith Anne
predator hiding like a wolf in shepherd's clothing

They call them Queerwolves.

32 posted on 04/03/2002 12:07:48 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
That the seminaries are NOW "loaded with them" is not due to celibacy - rather it is due to the liberal takeover and attempt to destroy any semblance of Catholis doctrine at any and all Catholic institutions.

There is no evidence that celibacy is the cause of the pink mafia manifesting itself in seminaries, etc - in fact, the fact that so many straight men have been turned away by the mafioso proves that celibacy is no barrier to a flourishing of vocations to the priesthood. That nasty fools took over the seminaries is a by product of LIBERAL stupidity, not CONSERVATIVE policies (of which celibacy is obviously one).

33 posted on 04/03/2002 12:08:31 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Aliska
I think a lot of the priests I've known have liked women (as friends, I mean). They were just afraid of them. With the exception of the sacraments, women run a lot of the churches. It's a big problem; no strong, masculine leadership.
34 posted on 04/03/2002 12:10:41 PM PST by joathome
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To: ThomasMore
I would rather we lose 90% of the priests in order to insure a return to sound doctrine and morality at the pulpits and altars of every place the Mass is said.
35 posted on 04/03/2002 12:11:24 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Antoninus
Good Post!

Look at the Roman Catholic Faithful website for a look at the subculture within the Church, http://rcf.org.

36 posted on 04/03/2002 12:11:38 PM PST by chatham
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To: Notwithstanding
If people had to sacrifice (drive an hour) to get to Mass on Sunday (due to a severe shortage of priests after the scum is skimmed) we would soon find out who is dedicated and devout.
37 posted on 04/03/2002 12:12:59 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Aliska
Rooting out so many is going to cause terrific upheaval.

So be it. All successful reform movements cause terrific upheaval. That's part and parcel of their success.
38 posted on 04/03/2002 12:16:08 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: joathome
If I sound disillusioned, I am.

Because bishops are not handling the situation properly, you're not the only one! The buck stops with the bishops. But as we are finding out, there are sexually active homosexual bishops who turn a blind eye to stuff like this.

39 posted on 04/03/2002 12:16:49 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Notwithstanding; chatham; american colleen; Antoninus
A a former Episcopalian looking at the Roman Catholic Church, I can't help but believe that if you all got rid of all of the homosexuals and teachers of questionable theology that you would have a huge increase in vocations from Catholic heterosexual men who would be willing to pursue a celibate life -- if they weren't having to defend their virtue from predatory homosexual priests. Maybe I am wrong to comment about an internal matter for you, but you have a great Church and I absolutely believe that God would bless all of you with faithful priests if this rot and evil were to be plucked out.
40 posted on 04/03/2002 12:17:37 PM PST by OxfordMovement
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To: Notwithstanding
That the seminaries are NOW "loaded with them" is not due to celibacy - rather it is due to the liberal takeover and attempt to destroy any semblance of Catholis doctrine at any and all Catholic institutions.

I agree! In no way am I trying to say that this problem is a result of the discipline of celibacy!

41 posted on 04/03/2002 12:18:36 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Notwithstanding
"If people had to sacrifice (drive an hour) to get to Mass on Sunday (due to a severe shortage of priests after the scum is skimmed) we would soon find out who is dedicated and devout."

True. But the purpose of the church is to win souls to Christ, not make it more difficult for them. <p

42 posted on 04/03/2002 12:19:24 PM PST by joathome
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To: OxfordMovement
Maybe I am wrong to comment about an internal matter for you, but you have a great Church and I absolutely believe that God would bless all of you with faithful priests if this rot and evil were to be plucked out.

I think your comment is precisely, 100% spot on, and I thank you for it.

AB

43 posted on 04/03/2002 12:23:09 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Notwithstanding
I would rather we lose 90% of the priests in order to insure a return to sound doctrine and morality at the pulpits and altars of every place the Mass is said.

I agree again. I have no problem with the celibacy discipline. Nor do I have a problem with married priests. Celibate or married, if they are living their sacred orders according to Church law and doctrine and truly shepherding God's people, that's what matters to me. Fidelity to Christ and His Body; the only thing that matters.

44 posted on 04/03/2002 12:24:08 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Antoninus
A celibate priest never has to choose between going out at 3 AM to adminster last rights to a dying parishoner, or staying home to care for his sick child.

Cut me a break .
How often does ANY priest go out at 3AM to administer the last rights
And how often would it occur with a sick child that needs attention at 3AM

If this is the best you can come up with your argument is worthless
45 posted on 04/03/2002 12:28:23 PM PST by uncbob
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To: ThomasMore
Fidelity to Christ and His Body; the only thing that matters.

Their sexual orientation then doesn't matter?

46 posted on 04/03/2002 12:29:07 PM PST by Renatus
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To: Renatus
Their sexual orientation then doesn't matter?

I didn't say that! That's up to the Magisterium. There are rumblings in the Vatican that it most certainly does matter, but I am not about to speculate on what the church is going to decide.

47 posted on 04/03/2002 12:32:03 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Antoninus
"Personally, I pray that the Church retains the discipline of celibate priests, even if it meant that we are able to recruit fewer of them in our materialist culture. Once the homosexuals are rooted out, there will be a revival. Count on it."

I agree. There are LOTS of candidates out there who have been turned away from one seminary or another because they weren't "conformist" enough: They didn't flit. They didn't pluck their eyebrows. They prayed the rosary and spent time before the Blessed Sacrament. Yes, they will all try again as soon as it is safe for them to knock on the door of a seminary and not have to run the risk of being hit on by Father Brucie.

48 posted on 04/03/2002 12:36:58 PM PST by redhead
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To: ThomasMore
That's up to the Magisterium.

Thanks. Finally found someone on this thread who agree with me.

49 posted on 04/03/2002 12:37:10 PM PST by Renatus
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To: Jim Noble
"Why do the bishops act as if the sin of heterosexual marriage by a priest is so uniquely horrible? I think it's because they truly feel sickened and horrified when a priest marries a woman. Why they don't feel this way about gay child abusers, I don't know."

You really DON'T know why?? Think...

50 posted on 04/03/2002 12:39:17 PM PST by redhead
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