Skip to comments.Is it true? Did American Muslums in NY area have warning to stay away on 9-11?
Posted on 04/03/2002 12:45:20 PM PST by WillRain
I am afraid this post is a bit "illegal" in terms of what is allowed here, but I hope it survives.
My history porf makes repeated reference to a CNN report which he claims to have seen which stated that Muslums in the NYC area were warned to stay away from the WTC on 9-11.
Is this true? Are there other reliable reports out there on this? Or is it an Urban Legand?
If so, I would like this thread to be a clearing house of links to these scources so that I (and others) may verify the truth/falsehood of these reports.
Thank you for your patience and in advance for your contributions.
I see no reason that these rumors about moslems should be any less offensive.
It is also an URBAN LEGEND that some woman was seen celebrating in a 7-11, witnessed by some delivery guy. Unfortunatly, many Freepers believe such BS to be fact.
Claim: A Budweiser employee who saw Arabs at a convenience store celebrating the terrorist attacks on America pulled all Budweiser product from that store. Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]
Thought you'd like to know what happened in a town north of Bakersfield California. After you finish reading this, please forward this story on to others so that our nation and around the world will know about those who laughed when they found out about the tragic events in New York, PA and the Pentagon.
September 11th, a Budweiser employee was making a delivery to a convenience store in a town called McFarland. He knew of the tragedy that had occurred in New York. He entered the business to find two Arabs whooping and hollering and really cheering it up. It was obvious they were elated with what had happened earlier. The Budweiser employee went to his truck, called his boss and told him of the very upsetting event. He didn't feel he could be in that store with those horrible people. His boss told him, "Do you think you could go in there long enough to pull every Budweiser product and item our beverage company sells there? We'll never deliver to them again."
The employee walked in, proceeded to pull every single product his beverage company provided and left with an incredible grin on his face. He told them never to bother and call for a delivery again.
Budweiser happens to be the beer of choice for that community. Just letting you all know how Kern County handles this situation!! Pass this along. America needs to know that we're all working together.
An 18 October 2001 version of the standard e-mail changed the beer company from Budweiser to Beck.
A 30 October 2001 version opened with the canonical "Budweiser" story, but continued on into a new second part about the Bud driver calling "his Pepsi friend" and that driver removing all Pepsi and Frito Lay products from that store.
Origins: This tale about an avenging Budweiser employee first surfaced on the Internet around September 20, 2001. It is but one of the innumerable "celebrating arabs" tales that circulated in the wake of the September 11 attacks. This rumor about Arab employees caught celebrating on the 11th as they watched the events of the day unfold has been aimed at countless businesses, both big and small. Invariably, when the authorities check into them, there is never anything to these stories, but the negative effect such slanders have on the businesses named in them is enormous. (Our Hole in the Middle page details a few of these rumors, making specific mention of the ones aimed at Dunkin' Donuts and National Liquidators.)
The Budweiser version is every bit as much a fiction as all the rest of this genre: The events described never happened, said Dennis Muleady, marketing director for Advance Beverage of Bakersfield, the Budweiser distributor for the McFarland area. As well, a query to Anheuser-Busch produced the following response:
Thank you for taking the time to e-mail Anheuser-Busch. Please know that we have investigated the matter and have found there is no truth to this story.
I want to inform everyone to stay home on SATURDAY, SEPT 22.
A friend of mine from college was told that a close family friend, who was at work bartending in Boston, when a few drunk Arab men slipped out to her that there would be a lot of bloodshed in Boston on the 22. She was told this before the terrorist attack on Tuesday, but ever since, she has been with the FBI trying to recognize some cab drivers.
This is not a rumor b/c nobody knows about it and it came from a legit source. I hope it's not true, but just in case I wanted to tell you guys. Just please; do NOT go in the city on the 22, whether day or night. I'd rather be safe to know everybody will be ok, than see this horror happen again, especially to people I know. We all know that some of those bastards are still in Boston.
Please let everyone know to just be careful on that day.
Origins: This missive began winging its way around the Internet in the week following the attack on America. Some versions attempt to add further credibility to the warning by stating it "came from one of Mandy's friends."
What to make of such a piece? Forget about loose-lipped terrorists blabbing plans in a Boston bar -- it's not reasonable to believe an organization that was capable of maintaining the level of secrecy it did is populated by operatives who in the process of tying one on would regale the waitress with their schemes.
Some find another reason for disbelieving the piece -- alcohol is forbidden to Muslims, thus there could be no drunken Islamic fundamentalists, in a Boston bar or elsewhere. Yet such reasoning ignores the Muslims who have gotten good and roaring drunk while on sojourns in the West. "They'll never find out about this back home" has, for some, proved an effective counter to "this is forbidden."
One of the terrorists who took control of American Airlines Flight 11 (the first plane to hit the World Trade Center towers) was seen drinking Stoli and orange juice in a Florida bar in the months leading up to the attacks. His companion (another of the terrorists) was drinking Captain Morgan's spiced rum and Coke. Others recall the terrorists ordering wine with dinner. (There are also reports of them enjoying the favors of naked lap dancers, so violating the prohibition against alcohol wasn't the only break with Islam.)
Yet even if the e-mail is a fabrication, there are a number of rumors circulating that posit September 22 as a possible date for a further wave of terrorism. Our "bar girl" story is likely a fictionalization of those rumors, an attempt to place disquieting snippets emerging from the various news accounts of the hunt for the terrorists into a more concrete form by presenting them in the context of a story involving an overheard conversation.
It's true there have been a number of rumors about a possible second wave of terrorist attacks on the U.S.A. that might take place over the September 22 weekend, but investigators who have been looking into the matter state they have not uncovered evidence of such plots. Yet that date has appeared at many points in the investigation, and authorities are taking the matter seriously.
One such tie emerged on Wednesday, 19 September. At least four people being sought in the terror investigation, including one now in custody, were booked on one or more flights on the 22nd leaving San Antonio. Some were headed to Denver; others were continuing to California.
Regarding the 22nd, Justice Department spokeswoman Mindy Tucker was quoted by The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, 19 September as saying, "We have taken a serious look at that information, and at this point we do not know of a credible threat," she said.
Okay, so there are rumors about the 22nd, but the Justice Department says they're being investigated and nothing so far has turned up. Does that mean the U.S.A. is safe?
No, not at all. Possibly even more frightening than the possibility of a concentrated wave of attacks on a specified day is the reality that Attorney General John Ashcroft has expounded upon time and again: Ashcroft and others in law enforcement have repeatedly cautioned that the threat of violence has not ended and that people connected to the terrorist network responsible for the attack on America may still be in the country. Further acts of terrorism are thus possible, perhaps even likely.
Makes having to hide under your bed for just the one day look infinitely preferrable, doesn't it?
Last updated: 22 September 2001
Offensive to whom? All those Muslims that have stood up and denounced the attacks as unconscionable and murderous acts by an evil sect of fanatics?
Didn't see much of that. Must not have offended anyone.
Hey, don't you know that the owner of Proctor & Gamble is a Satan worshipper? He admitted it on Oprah! ;-)
People Knew Beforehand About Attacks
Reports have been swirling that ordinary people, mostly Arab-Americans in New York City, knew about the attacks before they happened. FBI agents have told the media that they're tracking down numerous people who spoke of the impending attacks in the New York area, confirming that such warnings occurred. A veteran NYPD investigator said that numerous Arab-Americans in New York had heard that the attacks were going to happen. The officer said the story 'had been out on the street,' and the number of leads turning up was so 'overwhelming' that it was difficult to tell who had heard about the attacks from second-hand sources and who had heard it from someone who may have been a participant, according to the Journal News of Westchester, New York.The page has footnotes, but I did not check them out.
A police detective in Brooklyn said that investigations of numerous Middle Easterners who didn't show up for work at the WTC on September 11 are a serious and major priority. The Independent of London reported: Dozens of members of a mosque in the Bronx told the FBI they had also been given a vague warning to stay out of lower Manhattan.
Three incidents of which we know details involve schoolchildren (which makes sense, since kids are notoriously poor judges of when to keep their lips buttoned). On September 10, 2001, a fifth-grader in a Dallas suburb made a startling declaration to his teacher: Tomorrow, World War III will begin. It will begin in the United States, and the United States will lose. The boy was absent from school on September 11 and 12.
A school district official said the boy is multiracial but that she does not believe his ethnicity includes a Middle Eastern background, according to the Houston Chronicle. The paper further notes: Two charities in the neighboring suburb of Richardson have been investigated in the past for possible ties to Palestinian terrorist organizations.
In another incident, this one in Jersey City, a pupil at an unnamed school had warned people to stay away from lower Manhattan on the morning of September 11. Several hijackers lived in Jersey City.
Even more to the point, one week before the attacks, a Brooklyn high school freshman pointed out a classroom window at the WTC towers and said to the class and his teacher: Do you see those two buildings? They won't be standing there next week. The boy's family had recently immigrated from Pakistan.
Minutes after the 911 attacks, school officials told the authorities about the student's correct prediction. On September 13, the FBI and NYPD interviewed the boy, his brother, and their father. After the interviews, the father promptly left the country for Pakistan, leaving the rest of his family behind.
I meant Snopes in general should not be trusted. They did get this one right. But in the case of Hillary, I was there and I did see them cheering the Black Panthers. Snopes threw up a lot of fluff and was sucessful in making many people think Hillary did not defend murdering scum when she was at Yale.
And George Bush believes America needs more of these people. Since 9/11 there has been no material change to our immigration policy (or lack thereof) in regards to nations known to harbor terrorists. Between this and the ongoing Mexican Invasion, America will be a large scale Yugoslavia in a couple of decades.
How did they get it wrong? (I don't mean that as a challenge, I am genuinely curious.)
Guess he didn't get the memo.
I agree. Their treatment of the Ron Brown death is nothing short of Clintonesque. There is a mountain of evidence suggesting that someone(s) associated with the Clinton administration MURDERED a Secretary of Commerce (along with at least 34 others on the plane) and that certain people(s) in the Clinton administration and Military helped cover it up. Here is what this so-called "debunking" site says about the Brown crash.
*** "There were no survivors." ***
That is UNTRUE. One of the flight attendants did in fact survive the crash. TEN HOURS later when rescuers arrived she was STILL alive. She then died on the way to the hospital under the care of a doctor. This is PUBLIC RECORD so why does this site suggest there were no survivors?
Furthermore, a confidential timeline, uncovered by Judicial Watch via a FOIA suit, contains a message that was sent to the Secretary of State Warren Christopher from the crash site by Ira Sockowitz (an associate of John Huang, the Chinese SPY). It notified Christopher that there were TWO survivors. The government NEVER mentioned this, not even in that "official" SHAM report the Air Force put out. Immediatedly after receiving this message, Christopher ordered that access to the site by journalists be curtailed. To this day, the government has refused to comment on WHO Sockowitz considered the 2nd "survivor".
Finally, Cyril Wecht, one of the foremost forensic pathologists in the entire country, after looking at the Brown photos, x-rays and examination report stated that EXCEPT for the hole in Brown's brain, his injuries were NOT life threatening. He said Brown could have survived the impact.
The Snopes site goes on to say:
*** "A lot has been made of an x-ray of Brown's skull in which what looks like a round entry wound appears. Closer examination of Brown's skull by military officials revealed no bullet, no bone fragments, no metal fragments and, even more telling, no exit wound." ***
This is UNTRUE in EVERY detail. EVERY single pathologist involved in the case who has made public statements, INCLUDING Colonel Gormley who was in charge of examining the body, has now stated that it had the appearance of a bullet wound and there should have been an autopsy. Contrary to what is on the Snopes site (and in the official Air Force coverup report), there WAS brain matter visible in the entrance wound so there had to have been bone fragments. Gormley himself admitted this after being caught LYING on BET TV as to the reasons he declared the wound a blunt force trauma. And, according to the pathologists, there ARE bone fragments visible in the x-ray inside the skull, displaced away from the entrance hole. Several of the pathologists also say they see what could be metal fragments in the x-rays ... a lead snowstorm which is characteristic of bullet wounds. Captain Janowski has stated, UNDER OATH, that she was told by Major Sentelle that Gormley tampered with the x-ray machine to try and hide the lead snowstorm in a second set of x-rays (which along with the first set have disappeared from a locked safe at AFIP). Cyril Wecht said the photos show what appear to be metallic fragments around the entrance wound which, he said, is also characteristic of bullet entrance wounds. And as to there being no bullet ... well NO AUTOPSY was done. Do an autopsy and you may find one. As to there being no exit wound ... the most "telling" item ... noone would know because they did even NOT look for one (and that is the testimony of MULTIPLE people at the examination INCLUDING Colonel Gormley). So you see, this paragraph in the Snopes site is FULL OF UNTRUTHS ... DEMONSTRABLE LIES. It should make one VERY suspicious about the rest of the site.
Also from the Snopes site:
*** "Simply imagining a scenario under which Ron Brown could have been shot takes one into the realm of the absurd." ***
Here again the authors of this site are not telling the FACTS ... plus they have the cart before the horse. If there were a bullet wound in Brown's head, AS ALL THE EXPERTS SUGGEST MIGHT BE THE CASE, then no matter how implausible it might sound, someone managed to put one there. THAT is when you figure out how.
But in any case, there is a perfectly plausible scenario, based again ON THE FACTS which this site seems to want to avoid. First, we KNOW that a backup beacon was stolen from the airport to which the plane was headed several days before the crash. COINCIDENTALLY, the man in charge of that beacon at the airport committed "suicide" a few days after the crash ... before he could be interviewed. How "strange" that he kills himself using a shotgun to the CHEST. How "strange" that the NY Times IMMEDIATELY reported the cause was a failed romance ... one would think the man would have other things on his mind than a "romance" given he was a central figure in a SERIOUS crash that had just occurred.
Second, the published flight path of the plane clearly shows a sudden 90 degree maneuver just before its attempted landing ... one which the report and the officer in charge of the crash investigation do not explain. It is entirely plausible that the plane was spoofed into crashing into the mountain using the portable backup beacon. All that would have been needed is for the normal beacon, which was working BEFORE and AFTER the crash, to have been momentarily turned off. And what a coincidence ... the man who would have been able to do that ... the maintenance chief in charge of the beacons ... committed suicide right after the crash.
But there is more. We KNOW that something happened on board that plane when it was still 8 MILES from the crash site. That is when BOTH transponder and voice contact were lost. Two SEPARATE systems on board that plane failed at the same time, well before the crash occurred. We also know that the crashed plane was found with the rear door open. If you were going to spoof the plane into flying into a mountain, it might be a good idea to cut communications with the plane so that the pilots could get no help from the ground ... so they would have to depend on the beacon even if it did something odd (like show up 10 degrees off from where they were expecting it) right before landing.
And there is still more facts to support this plausible scenario! If you were going to deliberately crash a plane, wouldn't you want to make sure that the person you were trying to kill was indeed dead? You KNOW where the plane is coming down (because you are doing the spoofing) so it would make sense to place some people you could trust on the ground nearby to move in and "make sure". Don't you think? So you need to make sure that recovery efforts look elsewhere at first. Well, initially the military reported finding wreckage at sea ... miles from the crash site ... so all initial recovery efforts were focused on an area far removed from the actual crash site. Furthermore, Associate Press reported that the first rescuers to arrive at the crash site many hours later were met by 3 Americans who were already on the ground. Funny ... the OFFICIAL report doesn't mention these men. Funny, noone in the US government has ever admitted to our people arriving at the crash site first. Can you spell CLEAN UP CREW?
So much for Snope's accuracy and nonbias ... both are URBAN LEGENDS.
What did I misunderstand?! That Saudis warned him BEFORE the attack occured? The point is, the attack was known about BEFORE it happened. Even if it was just an hour before, that's very telling.