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Is it true? Did American Muslums in NY area have warning to stay away on 9-11?
self | 4/3/02 | Will Rainey

Posted on 04/03/2002 12:45:20 PM PST by WillRain

I am afraid this post is a bit "illegal" in terms of what is allowed here, but I hope it survives.
My history porf makes repeated reference to a CNN report which he claims to have seen which stated that Muslums in the NYC area were warned to stay away from the WTC on 9-11.

Is this true? Are there other reliable reports out there on this? Or is it an Urban Legand?

If so, I would like this thread to be a clearing house of links to these scources so that I (and others) may verify the truth/falsehood of these reports.

Thank you for your patience and in advance for your contributions.


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KEYWORDS: 911; conspiracy; mulsums; newyork; wtc
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To: LarryLied
It just goes down the memory hole along with the "art students" then the video of the Sears Tower etc etc etc
All 'urban myths' don't you know...
41 posted on 04/03/2002 1:38:27 PM PST by luvzhottea
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To: LarryLied
Be careful with Snopes. They "debunked" the Hillary Clinton/Black Panther story and they got it wrong.

How did they get it wrong? (I don't mean that as a challenge, I am genuinely curious.)

42 posted on 04/03/2002 1:39:02 PM PST by murdoog
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To: WillRain
Well, I work a block from the massacre site in NYC, and my Pakistani coworker was there that day...

Guess he didn't get the memo.

43 posted on 04/03/2002 1:40:28 PM PST by Oschisms
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To: WillRain
Ask former DC Mayor Marion Barry
44 posted on 04/03/2002 1:46:57 PM PST by freedom9
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To: LarryLied, Clemenza
Be careful with Snopes.

I agree. Their treatment of the Ron Brown death is nothing short of Clintonesque. There is a mountain of evidence suggesting that someone(s) associated with the Clinton administration MURDERED a Secretary of Commerce (along with at least 34 others on the plane) and that certain people(s) in the Clinton administration and Military helped cover it up. Here is what this so-called "debunking" site says about the Brown crash.

*** "There were no survivors." ***

That is UNTRUE. One of the flight attendants did in fact survive the crash. TEN HOURS later when rescuers arrived she was STILL alive. She then died on the way to the hospital under the care of a doctor. This is PUBLIC RECORD so why does this site suggest there were no survivors?

Furthermore, a confidential timeline, uncovered by Judicial Watch via a FOIA suit, contains a message that was sent to the Secretary of State Warren Christopher from the crash site by Ira Sockowitz (an associate of John Huang, the Chinese SPY). It notified Christopher that there were TWO survivors. The government NEVER mentioned this, not even in that "official" SHAM report the Air Force put out. Immediatedly after receiving this message, Christopher ordered that access to the site by journalists be curtailed. To this day, the government has refused to comment on WHO Sockowitz considered the 2nd "survivor".

Finally, Cyril Wecht, one of the foremost forensic pathologists in the entire country, after looking at the Brown photos, x-rays and examination report stated that EXCEPT for the hole in Brown's brain, his injuries were NOT life threatening. He said Brown could have survived the impact.

The Snopes site goes on to say:

*** "A lot has been made of an x-ray of Brown's skull in which what looks like a round entry wound appears. Closer examination of Brown's skull by military officials revealed no bullet, no bone fragments, no metal fragments and, even more telling, no exit wound." ***

This is UNTRUE in EVERY detail. EVERY single pathologist involved in the case who has made public statements, INCLUDING Colonel Gormley who was in charge of examining the body, has now stated that it had the appearance of a bullet wound and there should have been an autopsy. Contrary to what is on the Snopes site (and in the official Air Force coverup report), there WAS brain matter visible in the entrance wound so there had to have been bone fragments. Gormley himself admitted this after being caught LYING on BET TV as to the reasons he declared the wound a blunt force trauma. And, according to the pathologists, there ARE bone fragments visible in the x-ray inside the skull, displaced away from the entrance hole. Several of the pathologists also say they see what could be metal fragments in the x-rays ... a lead snowstorm which is characteristic of bullet wounds. Captain Janowski has stated, UNDER OATH, that she was told by Major Sentelle that Gormley tampered with the x-ray machine to try and hide the lead snowstorm in a second set of x-rays (which along with the first set have disappeared from a locked safe at AFIP). Cyril Wecht said the photos show what appear to be metallic fragments around the entrance wound which, he said, is also characteristic of bullet entrance wounds. And as to there being no bullet ... well NO AUTOPSY was done. Do an autopsy and you may find one. As to there being no exit wound ... the most "telling" item ... noone would know because they did even NOT look for one (and that is the testimony of MULTIPLE people at the examination INCLUDING Colonel Gormley). So you see, this paragraph in the Snopes site is FULL OF UNTRUTHS ... DEMONSTRABLE LIES. It should make one VERY suspicious about the rest of the site.

Also from the Snopes site:

*** "Simply imagining a scenario under which Ron Brown could have been shot takes one into the realm of the absurd." ***

Here again the authors of this site are not telling the FACTS ... plus they have the cart before the horse. If there were a bullet wound in Brown's head, AS ALL THE EXPERTS SUGGEST MIGHT BE THE CASE, then no matter how implausible it might sound, someone managed to put one there. THAT is when you figure out how.

But in any case, there is a perfectly plausible scenario, based again ON THE FACTS which this site seems to want to avoid. First, we KNOW that a backup beacon was stolen from the airport to which the plane was headed several days before the crash. COINCIDENTALLY, the man in charge of that beacon at the airport committed "suicide" a few days after the crash ... before he could be interviewed. How "strange" that he kills himself using a shotgun to the CHEST. How "strange" that the NY Times IMMEDIATELY reported the cause was a failed romance ... one would think the man would have other things on his mind than a "romance" given he was a central figure in a SERIOUS crash that had just occurred.

Second, the published flight path of the plane clearly shows a sudden 90 degree maneuver just before its attempted landing ... one which the report and the officer in charge of the crash investigation do not explain. It is entirely plausible that the plane was spoofed into crashing into the mountain using the portable backup beacon. All that would have been needed is for the normal beacon, which was working BEFORE and AFTER the crash, to have been momentarily turned off. And what a coincidence ... the man who would have been able to do that ... the maintenance chief in charge of the beacons ... committed suicide right after the crash.

But there is more. We KNOW that something happened on board that plane when it was still 8 MILES from the crash site. That is when BOTH transponder and voice contact were lost. Two SEPARATE systems on board that plane failed at the same time, well before the crash occurred. We also know that the crashed plane was found with the rear door open. If you were going to spoof the plane into flying into a mountain, it might be a good idea to cut communications with the plane so that the pilots could get no help from the ground ... so they would have to depend on the beacon even if it did something odd (like show up 10 degrees off from where they were expecting it) right before landing.

And there is still more facts to support this plausible scenario! If you were going to deliberately crash a plane, wouldn't you want to make sure that the person you were trying to kill was indeed dead? You KNOW where the plane is coming down (because you are doing the spoofing) so it would make sense to place some people you could trust on the ground nearby to move in and "make sure". Don't you think? So you need to make sure that recovery efforts look elsewhere at first. Well, initially the military reported finding wreckage at sea ... miles from the crash site ... so all initial recovery efforts were focused on an area far removed from the actual crash site. Furthermore, Associate Press reported that the first rescuers to arrive at the crash site many hours later were met by 3 Americans who were already on the ground. Funny ... the OFFICIAL report doesn't mention these men. Funny, noone in the US government has ever admitted to our people arriving at the crash site first. Can you spell CLEAN UP CREW?

So much for Snope's accuracy and nonbias ... both are URBAN LEGENDS.

45 posted on 04/03/2002 1:53:38 PM PST by BeAChooser
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To: BeAChooser
Thanks. People should not think snopes is always right. They do have a political agenda.
46 posted on 04/03/2002 1:56:18 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: vannrox
Also, there was a thread that showed a Superman comic book on the stands before 9/11 where the twin towers of "Metropolis" were attacked by airliners. Cant find it in archives.
47 posted on 04/03/2002 1:57:29 PM PST by aShepard
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To: WillRain
If I remember right, Debka has some reports about Muslims being pre-warned. Also, I remember seeing some reports that individuals received emails either that Tuesday morning or the day before cautioning them about being in the WTC that day.

That was so long ago, that I don't have any links or references to those reports.
48 posted on 04/03/2002 2:00:51 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: SarahW
I think you misunderstood.

What did I misunderstand?! That Saudis warned him BEFORE the attack occured? The point is, the attack was known about BEFORE it happened. Even if it was just an hour before, that's very telling.

49 posted on 04/03/2002 2:02:45 PM PST by DJ MacWoW
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To: WillRain
Never, Never, NEVER! belief a "porf" of any type!

cackle

50 posted on 04/03/2002 2:04:46 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine
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To: syriacus

THIS SHOULD PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT...


5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy

BEWARE OF SWARTHY MEN CARRYING CAMERAS (FBI Getting "a lot" of Reports)

Coincidence? Islamic Calendar Depicts Civilian Jet Hitting Manhattan for September

Four vanished before attacks

In call before attacks Bin Laden told mother to expect ‘big news’ -CIA & NSA taped call!

Laden's Students: Sears Tower in Chicago. "This one is mine," he says.


51 posted on 04/03/2002 2:15:09 PM PST by vannrox
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To: luvzhottea, Larry Lied
Odigo says workers were warned of attack...

September? LOL. That story turned out to nothing.

But THIS IS BIG!!

Of course some Muslims knew about 9-11.

They were the perps.

This story sounds HUGE though. I will follow it closely.

52 posted on 04/03/2002 2:36:34 PM PST by veronica
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To: DJ MacWoW
That's what you misunderstood. He wasn't contacted before the attacks.
53 posted on 04/03/2002 2:42:51 PM PST by SarahW
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To: DJ MacWoW
You are assuming he was notified *before* the attack; the opposite is true. I can see how you might have gotten confused, because the excerpt of that interview doesn't say one way or the other.
54 posted on 04/03/2002 2:46:25 PM PST by SarahW
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To: LarryLied
You were at Yale when Hilary was? Tell us more...please.
55 posted on 04/03/2002 2:54:53 PM PST by Samwise
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To: SarahW
Michael Jackson fan are you? The article never states that he was warned during the attack.

Jackson on September 11: "I was in New York [after performing at Madison Square Garden on September 7 and 10], and I got a call from friends in Saudi Arabia that America was being attacked. I screamed down the hotel hallway to all our people, 'Everybody get out, let's leave now!' Marlon Brando was on one end, our security was on the other end. We were all up there, but Elizabeth Taylor was at another hotel. We jumped in the car, but there were these girls who had been at the show the night before, and they were banging on the windows, running down the street screaming. We hid in New Jersey.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/616527/posts

56 posted on 04/03/2002 3:57:46 PM PST by DJ MacWoW
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To: DJ MacWoW
the excerpt of that interview doesn't say one way or the other.
57 posted on 04/03/2002 4:19:07 PM PST by SarahW
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To: SarahW
And the context indicates that he was notified after the attack commenced.
58 posted on 04/03/2002 4:23:08 PM PST by SarahW
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To: SarahW
Do you honestly believe that Jackson could have been THAT close to ground zero and NOT know something was going on? What would be the point of calling during the attack? Is he deaf?! He or some of his flunkies had to know someting happened after the first plane hit. It doesn't make sense that he was called during the attack. You ARE a fan, aren't you.
59 posted on 04/03/2002 4:33:55 PM PST by DJ MacWoW
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To: TopHat1948
There is only one thing I can vouch for and that is the fact that warnings were posted on the net detailing plans by Osama Bin Laden to have people hijack jetliners and fly them into the twin towers, the pentagon, the white house and camp David. I have tried to find the archived articles but with no success.
60 posted on 04/03/2002 4:34:57 PM PST by RipSawyer
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