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French cameraman injured, journalists dispersed with stun grenades, tear gas in West Bank
Yahoo News ^ | 4/5/02 | IBRAHIM HAZBOUN

Posted on 04/05/2002 10:08:52 AM PST by Libloather

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To: Egregious Philbin
These journalists are in a war zone.

The journalists on 9-11 were covering a demonstration.

41 posted on 04/05/2002 11:14:40 AM PST by veronica
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To: aomagrat; BrooklynGOP

42 posted on 04/05/2002 11:22:08 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Is Dukakis back in the Tank Corp? lol
43 posted on 04/05/2002 11:24:11 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Egregious Philbin
Would that be "moral equivalence"?

Let's look! Israel demands that an area around Arafat’s compound be a closed military zone to keep Arafat from sending signals to the rest of the terrorist groups. Israel announces yesterday anybody violating that zone will be arrested and deported. The next day a convoy of armored TV Jeeps tries to force its way to the building only stopped by a Jeep that is actually hit by the front convoy vehicle. The Israelis tell the men to leave and they do not. The IDF then uses civil crowd control devices, i.e. stun grenades and rubber bullets to drive the TV convoy back.

However The Palestinians kidnap a TV camera man, threatening his life if the News broadcasts film it has. The News returns the film, then the camera man is released. He was held hostage for two days. The film is returned after it is censored. The other case is a journalist kidnapped and executed for being a Jew.

Enforcing the law, vs. kidnapping, extortion and murder? Nah, not morally the equivalent, not even close. But a armchair terrorist would not be able to tell that because they cannot tell the difference between law and lawlessness. Look it up, it is called being evil.

You may join in pounding sand next to Hit-n-Run. Please wear the dunce cap.

44 posted on 04/05/2002 11:25:23 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: veronica
I think they're BOTH wrong, but i'm guessing that wasn't where you were going. The obscene suicide bombings are atrocities committed against civilians carried out in the open. The IDF would prefer to commit their violence against civilians in secret. Like the footage of the Palestinian celebration, what the world sees of the IDF's actions makes all the difference in swaying opinion for or against Israel, except for the opinions of those that have made up their minds, like the many here that feel Israel can do no wrong, or the many Muslims who feel that Israel can do no right.
45 posted on 04/05/2002 11:27:54 AM PST by Egregious Philbin
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To: Libloather
Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and stun grenades at about 30 reporters

Now there is a great headline.

46 posted on 04/05/2002 11:28:05 AM PST by lafroste
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To: Texaggie79
Hey! :^D
47 posted on 04/05/2002 11:30:09 AM PST by michigander
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To: RippleFire
A total professional. He didn't drop the camera.
48 posted on 04/05/2002 11:31:20 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: luvzhottea
A bunch of journalists run around in the middle of a battle between Palestinians and Israelis both firing M16's. Some get shot, all claim it was the Israelis, yet none can prove it or see the guys that shoot them. Now Israel takes live battle areas and says closed military zones and the darwin award wannabees cry "freedom of the press!" One would think that these guys were absoulute idiots. Know of any other modern war that the fricking Press run around the battle field snapping Pictures? They even put little TV marks on their chest with duct tape like they are superman or something. Now that the Palestinians know shooting Camara men makes for good press, think the shootings are going to go up?
49 posted on 04/05/2002 11:32:16 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: American in Israel
Law? Is that what this war is really about?

An armchair terrorist could at least attempt to explain to you the reasoning behind the suicide bombings. I find the idea of them abhorrent, and completely foreign.
50 posted on 04/05/2002 11:42:13 AM PST by Egregious Philbin
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To: Egregious Philbin
An Israeli army spokeswoman said that because of the dangers in the closed military zones, "anyone who is walking around is viewed as an enemy, and rightly so." There is a curfew in that town. Look it up C-U-R-F-E-W. That is to keep civilians from getting hurt. Tell me OH freedom of the press whiner, why there are no pictures in the press of the 20+ bomb factories found? Those areas are open to the press. How about the 5 Missile factories? Nope, How about the bomb factory set up in the Nabulus Police Chiefs house. That area is no longer closed Military zone. Nah.

Seems the press only want to take pictures of Arafat. No need while they are riding around in Ramallah to take any film, how about pictures of the Palestinians attacking the Jewish troops? Nah not news. How about film of how the heck Jews are able to take over a Terrorist territory, under fire, capture 700 known "activists" or murder suspects and have only 15 casualties that are "civilians" all armed most wearing military fatigues and all males from the age of 15-35? Nah, that would be REPORTING, they drive into the areas with the script already written. THAT IS WHY YOU GET NO REPORTING OF WHAT IS GOING ON, BECAUSE IT IS HIGHLY FAVORABLE TO THE JEWS.

You think cluster bombing cities might just cause a, ur, civilian casualty or two? I did not see all the Press in Afganistan interviewing everybody inside the 1200 yard circle making sure every one was a combatant. A cluster bomb shatters concrete for 600 yards from the point of impact. Think it might KILL someone?

You need to change your name to Egregious Hypocrite. That is a 120 football field sized area. The actual kill ring is a bit bigger. Where was your outrage then? When the reporters were not allowed to wander around in Iraq, but briefed from a tent, where was your outrage then? Could it be true that your outrage is that the Jews are kicking ass and taking names? Funny Allah said the Arabs would win, does Allah lie too? Please resume pounding sand armchair terrorist.

51 posted on 04/05/2002 11:46:53 AM PST by American in Israel
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The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists...

Just curious - who are these goofballs?

52 posted on 04/05/2002 11:46:57 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
http://www.cpj.org/
53 posted on 04/05/2002 11:49:26 AM PST by michigander
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To: Egregious Philbin
An armchair terrorist could at least attempt to explain to you the reasoning behind the suicide bombings. I find the idea of them abhorrent, and completely foreign.

But you will back it anyway. A might bitter little hatred you got going there Philbin.

54 posted on 04/05/2002 11:51:02 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: American in Israel
There is a war on. You know War?

I don't pretend to know as much as some people here. But I spent 5 1/2 years in U.S. Naval Aviation, including six months in a war zone. I was trained and authorized to drop nuclear weapons. What about you?

Why do the Americans keep TV crews out of War zones?

For the same reason the IDF does--to prevent embarrassment, because they can't order them around, because they might catch on film something that the military would just as soon not have the world see, because they don't want viewers to start feeling sorry for the enemy, because reporters talk to both sides, because reporters have casual attitudes about drugs and sex and tend to question authority, because the reporters' stories sometimes contradict the accounts given out by government spokesmen, because when reporters get deliberately shot by the military their publishers angrily accuse government officials at dinner parties.

I agree that some reporters, especially television cameramen, have delusions of grandeur, no appreication of the dangers of combat and can inject themselves into combat areas in a way that could endanger troops and everyone else. No one needs that or reporters who disclose military movements that could aid the enemy. But a solitary print reporter with nothing but a notebook is no danger to anyone. And when such a reporter is willing to risk his life to bring me the unfiltered news of what is really going on, I'm grateful and respectful and I don't rejoice when he gets shot.

Pound sand.

I do pound sand when I see how many people here are content to have all their news filtered through military censors and official spokesmen. It irks them so much to see news that contradicts their current worldview they'd rather not have any news at all.

55 posted on 04/05/2002 11:51:43 AM PST by DentsRun
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To: Egregious Philbin
I do not expect explainations from you, I have learned that the only thing I ever get from you guys is accusations. But what else can I expect from you but accusations of the bretherin. It is a father thing.
56 posted on 04/05/2002 11:53:24 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: DentsRun

I agree that some reporters, especially television cameramen, have delusions of grandeur, no appreication of the dangers of combat and can inject themselves into combat areas in a way that could endanger troops and everyone else. No one needs that or reporters who disclose military movements that could aid the enemy. But a solitary print reporter...

57 posted on 04/05/2002 11:59:11 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: Libloather
"Jerome Marcantetti" the cameraman immediately surrendered the entire country of France.
58 posted on 04/05/2002 11:59:17 AM PST by JSteff
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To: Libloather
re:#12 NOt really confusing. That is him,he was actually photographing himself in a large mirror on the wall of Arafat's compound.
59 posted on 04/05/2002 12:02:27 PM PST by JSteff
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To: DentsRun

can inject themselves into combat areas in a way that could endanger troops and everyone else. No one needs that or reporters who disclose military movements that could aid the enemy. But a solitary print reporter with nothing but a notebook is no danger to anyone.

60 posted on 04/05/2002 12:05:01 PM PST by American in Israel
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