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As abortion plagues Simon, Davis slides around another touchy issue
Sacramento Bee ^ | 4/05/02 | Dan Walters

Posted on 04/06/2002 4:53:52 PM PST by madprof98

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:34:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Bill Simon, the Republican candidate for governor this year, is rediscovering that it's politically perilous to oppose abortion rights in a state whose voters overwhelmingly lean the other way.

Gov. Gray Davis and his campaign team are certain to make Simon's anti-abortion position a centerpiece of their media campaign. "By the time of the election, Simon is going to think that abortion is part of every issue and every question," Bob Mulholland, the state Democratic Party's political director, told one political newsletter.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage
Imagine a world where politicians actually believed in something.
1 posted on 04/06/2002 4:53:52 PM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98
Obviously, the DemocRATS are afraid Simon will parley a successful term as Governor of California into a successful run for President of the United States where Simon will be able to appoint people to the Supreme Court!

Hey, we always knew these Commies were long term planners! ;-)

2 posted on 04/06/2002 5:00:41 PM PST by SubMareener
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To: madprof98
"As abortion plagues Simon"? I thought Simon was AHEAD in the polls!
3 posted on 04/06/2002 5:16:16 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Timesink
"As abortion plagues Simon"? I thought Simon was AHEAD in the polls!

Is that still true? I have read nothing but national media on the subject; seen no current poll information; and a bunch of negative press with respect to abortion. Also, there was initially some negative press about guns but they seem to have shut up on that subject. What is reality in California if anyone knows?

4 posted on 04/06/2002 5:24:47 PM PST by David
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To: David
"What is reality in California if anyone knows?"

Nonexistent.

Imal

5 posted on 04/06/2002 5:26:38 PM PST by Imal
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To: madprof98
Bob Mulholland, the state Democratic Party's political director

Bob Mulholland is the devil's spawn. Be wary.

6 posted on 04/06/2002 5:41:27 PM PST by Grim
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To: madprof98
Now we have to ask the question. Are Californians so hell-bent on infanticide that they'll elect someone who's guaranteed to destroy the state.

Well are you all that fanatical?

7 posted on 04/06/2002 5:42:52 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: David
It was a push-poll-- totally unreliable.
8 posted on 04/06/2002 5:44:24 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: David
reality, WOW what a concept.
9 posted on 04/06/2002 6:13:31 PM PST by Valin
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To: Timesink
Plagues Simon?

Abortion eventually catches up and eliminates RATs,RINOs, and Libs.

10 posted on 04/06/2002 6:40:00 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: madprof98
99 Percent of newspersons are pro-abortion, so they naturally assume that everyone feels the same way they do. That isn't so. The country is very much divided on the issue, the momentum has begun to turn toward the pro-lifers, and if it weren't for the ideological lies of the media, the academics, and the liberal judges, abortion would be a whole lot less popular than it already is. Why do you suppose Bloomberg, in one of the most liberal cities in the country, just felt obliged to say that he hates abortion, but supports the right of women to choose? Because if you talk honestly about abortion, most people disapprove of it.

Simon's pro-life position will only be a handicap if the media succeed in portraying him as some kind of right-wing, extremist, one-issue fruitcake--which they will try very hard to do. But as long as he keeps on presenting himself pleasantly and sensibly, as he has done so far, this issue won't hurt him.

11 posted on 04/06/2002 6:45:27 PM PST by Cicero
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To: madprof98
"You know, if the civil unions piece passed, and he signed it tomorrow, I would bet you my last dollar that a referendum would be passed in two weeks," Eric Bauman, who is Davis' liaison to the gay community, told the Reporter. "Our sometimes slow process of adding these benefits has benefited us all because nobody's challenged it."

Paging Larry Klayman.

12 posted on 04/06/2002 6:49:18 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: madprof98
I got a great e-mail today from his website's weekly report. Simon's talking about the coming water shortage, quality and quantity, and also speaking to a group of physicians on the erosion of the doctor-patient relationship and the horrendous powers of the insurance companies and government officials. This is great to hear!
13 posted on 04/06/2002 7:32:11 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Grim
Bob Mulholland is maybe the one individual in the country who can make Paul Begala and James Carville look ethical by comparison.
14 posted on 04/06/2002 8:10:44 PM PST by Pelham
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To: madprof98
In 20 yrs, the politicians who oppose "gay marriage" will be at a huge disadvantage. That's where this country is headed.
15 posted on 04/06/2002 8:16:41 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Gophack
Here it comes. Is Simon ready with more than, "There are bigger issues than abortion," and then changing the subject?
16 posted on 04/06/2002 8:20:55 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
As Hugh Hewitt said, abortion rights drive less than 2% of the electorate. If Davis tries to run make this his main issue, he's a bigger loser than he already is.
17 posted on 04/06/2002 8:27:43 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: socal_parrot
As Hugh Hewitt said, abortion rights drive less than 2% of the electorate.

Frankly, I doubt that number. Even if it is true in America at large, it is not in liberal-dominated states like California. I have made the case for how to respond to this issue in a manner that will add to Simon's constituency a number of times, but Russo-Marsh refuses to learn.

18 posted on 04/06/2002 8:34:47 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: goldenstategirl
Simon only has one real issue to beat Davis with that will rise above the left-leaning press and the Gov.s spin machine...TAXES! He must beat davis over the head with the accusation that, if re-elected, Gray WILL raise income taxes and gasoline taxes and sales taxes etc. to off-set his huge defecits! That will be heard by the swing voters much more clearly than anything about abortion.
19 posted on 04/06/2002 8:38:05 PM PST by cartoonistx
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To: Carry_Okie
I think the key to the election is energizing the voters and making them excitied about the candidate. Simon is the best candidate the GOP has run for Governor or Senator in California in the last 10 years. People will get behind him just because of his personality.
20 posted on 04/06/2002 8:40:01 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: GuillermoX
In 20 yrs, the politicians who oppose "gay marriage" will be at a huge disadvantage.

Maybe, but I doubt it. Abortion is popular in a way that homsexuality isn't and probably never will be. I find it eerily fascinating to watch the Gray Davis campaign continue to pound on the abortion issue. They believe, apparently correctly, that there is no political downside at all to associating Davis with abortion. It's all abortion, all the time. Why do the Democrats believe that something as unpleasant as abortion is such a political goldmine?

My personal theory is that they are employing a simple, but somewhat subtle psychological tactic. No one seriously believes that Bill Simon can or will stop abortion in California, but lot of women out there have had abortions and a lot of men have paid for them. Davis' abortion-centered campaign is a direct appeal to people who have been personally involved in abortion. The hidden subtext of Davis' approach can be summarized as follows: "Bill Simon thinks abortion is bad, and, by extension, that you're a bad person. Gray Davis thinks abortion is good, and, by extension, that you're a good person. Gray Davis is your friend."
21 posted on 04/06/2002 8:42:01 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: socal_parrot
People will get behind him just because of his personality.

Yes, but that isn't enough for a conservative to win in California.

22 posted on 04/06/2002 8:51:14 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: irishjuggler
"Bill Simon thinks abortion is bad, and, by extension, that you're a bad person. Gray Davis thinks abortion is good, and, by extension, that you're a good person. Gray Davis is your friend."

That's one aspect, another paints Simon as an "extreme, hard-line conservative," "out of touch with a cutting edge state," "too conservative," "right wing," etc. It's a strategy that creates negatives on a candidate who has few among the wobbly middle. Frankly that's what I think that they are after.

23 posted on 04/06/2002 8:55:25 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: madprof98
It appears to be far more than some of us can ever imagine -- a virtual alien planet and one GIANT Star Wars bar, whose policies and agendas appear to be controled by the Liberal rags, gays, Mexicans, pro-death abortionists, PETAists, Scientologists, Hollywood, and ultra-Liberal universities.

So "what else is new" a Californian might say, eh?

24 posted on 04/06/2002 9:57:59 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: madprof98; ElkGroveDan; RWGuy; Impeach98
Bill Simon, the Republican candidate for governor this year, is rediscovering that it's politically perilous to oppose abortion rights in a state whose voters overwhelmingly lean the other way.

Why? I haven't seen anything in the public that abortion is hurting Simon. All I have seen is a bunch of liberal press and Gray Davis TRYING to make it an issue. It's not sticking.

I went to the gym this weekend in a Bill Simon for Governor t-shirt in Sacramento County and got several nods and smiles and one thumbs up. I got one possible dirty look. (About 7 to 1, I can take that).

Davis wants to make the issue about abortion, but it is only highlight HIS extremist views. Most people who support abortion support some restrictions. Every time Davis brings it up it highlights how pro-abort his really is.

The people aren't going to vote on abortion. Davis' attempt to make this a campaign about abortion when we are in a recession, have a $17 billion budget deficit, and test scores have actually fallen is going to fail. If this was the high-riding times of the 90s, it might work. But it's not.

Go Simon!

25 posted on 04/08/2002 6:39:49 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: GuillermoX
In 20 yrs, the politicians who oppose "gay marriage" will be at a huge disadvantage. That's where this country is headed.

Possibly. But now, it's a huge negative even on the Left Coast. Let Davis shore up his base. It moves him more to the Left and the Center won't like it, all those people Davis thinks want abortion-on-demand and think THAT's the most important issue in the world.

Go Simon!

26 posted on 04/08/2002 6:41:30 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: irishjuggler
They believe, apparently correctly, that there is no political downside at all to associating Davis with abortion.

You hit on part of the answer. But, do you want to know what the real reason is the Democrats feel they have air supremacy on the abortion issue? It's because timid "pro-life" Republican nominees never counter attack on ground where the Dems are vulnerable. First trimester abortion is popular in California, yes. But the grotesque abortion procedures performed in the second and third trimesters are just as sickening to Californicators as they are to the rest of us. So, why do the Republicans not hit the Dems back in these areas? Because they fear it will do them more harm than good due to their official position in favor of banning all abortion. By feeding the abortion debate with counter-attacks, the Republicans know that the media and the Democrats will continue to retaliate by reminding voters that "what they really want to do" is ban all abortion. In order to avoid that, they sit down, shut up, and "change the subject." What this does, ironically, is destroy any chance to communicate the pro-life message in a meaningful and compelling way to the voters (debates on late abortion bans have been proven to convert people to the pro-life position).

No one seriously believes that Bill Simon can or will stop abortion in California...

Which makes it all the more ridiculous and tragic that a candidate like Simon refuses to publicly acknowledge that reality so that he can confidently advocate more mainstream pro-life policies that will have a decided long term, and short term, effect in reducing abortions. And I don't mean just "changing the subject" or lamely claiming behind the scenes that abortion is a "settled issue," I mean taking the issue of a first trimester abortion ban entirely off the table for now, in order to make the debate center around popular proposals to discourage and reduce all abortions, plus late abortion bans. It is beyond insanity to sacrifice mainstream pro-life issues because you insist on adhering to the politically impossible proposition of banning all abortion immediately. Simon doesn't think he's about to ban all abortion as governor, neither do most of the single-issue pro-lifers who will vote for him. But, apparently, the "principle" of the matter is reason enough to sacrifice the thousands of babies who could otherwise be saved if a more realistic strategy were employed that would result in putting the Democrats on the run for a change. Instead, we get to see a candidate who is evidently ashamed of being pro-life and who is running from the issue like an olympic sprinter. Sickening.

27 posted on 04/08/2002 10:36:32 AM PDT by helmsman
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To: madprof98
Leftist reporters plague Simon...

but not as much as they think

28 posted on 04/08/2002 12:31:05 PM PDT by calebcar
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