Posted on 04/08/2002 10:32:32 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
I would say that the whole religious structure -- the Pope, infallibility, etc. is the root of the problem, but that would be construed as religion bashing. So instead I'll say this -- if you want genuine morality and a system based on it -- religion -- you'd better look for the true sources and connections to it. Get the real thing and settle for no less.
It's certainly a possibility. At least one Cardinal was involved with the website "St. Sebastian's Angels," a forum for queer priests and bishops. So, it's entirely possible. Please pray for us.
You are overestimating and imprudent of history to think that there is such a reserve of religious force in those places. There is a reserve -- rather there is the ever-preserved, it is elsewhere, and honest humility and little else will bring you to it.
Nothing like a little opportunistic sheep-stealing, huh?
The Protestant solution to this sort of thing is simply more division. So far, it's led to 28,000 denominations claiming to be guided by "the Bible alone". To which of them do you suggest we go?
And what do you offer as an alternative? A religious structure that has institutionally apostacized on the other sodomitic sin, i.e., protestants and contraception? At least we still call sin sin, even if sinners ignore the Truth. Your alternative apostacized on a far more prevalent form of sodomitic sin than that which infects our priesthood.
Martin Luther (1483 to 1546) - "Onan must have been a malicious and incorrigible scoundrel. This is a most disgraceful sin. It is far more atrocious than incest or adultery. We call it unchastity, yes, a Sodomitic sin. For Onan goes into her; that is, he lies with her and copulates, and when it comes to the point of insemination, spills the semen, lest the woman conceive. Surely at such a time the order of nature established by God in procreation should be followed."
John Calvin (1509 to 1564) - Deliberately avoiding the intercourse, so that the seed drops on the ground, is double horrible. For this means that one quenches the hope of his family, and kills the son, which could be expected, before he is born. This wickedness is now as severely as is possible condemned by the Spirit, through Moses, that Onan, as it were, through a violent and untimely birth, tore away the seed of his brother out the womb, and as cruel as shamefully has thrown on the earth. Moreover he thus has, as much as was in his power, tried to destroy a part of the human race.
John Wesley (1703 to 1791) - "Onan, though he consented to marry the widow, yet to the great abuse of his own body, of the wife he had married and the memory of his brother that was gone, refused to raise up seed unto the brother. Those sins that dishonour the body are very displeasing to God, and the evidence of vile affections. Observe, the thing which he did displeased the Lord - And it is to be feared, thousands, especially single persons, by this very thing, still displease the Lord, and destroy their own souls.
Yes, we have problems. A minority of priests ignore our Church's teachings on sexuality.
Your problems dwarf ours on an order of magnitude that baffles the mind. Your churches calls evil good, and good evil, counsels its own to commit this sin the reformers condemned, yet have the unmitigated gall to criticize us.
According to CNN Headline News an hour ago, the attorney Ford said that "the documents show that the Vatican was well aware of Shanley's activities; the NCCB knew, and kept the Vatican informed."
This is RICO, folks.
The similarities between the Jesuits today and the Knights Templar 800 years ago are astonishing. Both were once bastions of Catholic orthodoxy and of faithful soldiers of Christendom; both had great prestige and power within the Church; both earned great spiritual and temporal resources; both became corrupted by pride and fell into a morass of heterodoxy and sodomy. The Knights Templar needed to be suppressed by force; the Jesuits will probably need to face a bloodless but no less necessary suppression.
And Pope Julius III, that great patron of the Renaissance, made his 15-year old catamite a cardinal.
Rum Tum Tugger: What is it with Florida and queer bishops?
Robert Lynch in St. Petersburg paid $100K to settle a sexual harassment suit with his married male diocesan communications director. Palm Beach had its last two bishops resign because they were diddling teenage boys (Keith Symons and Anthony Connell).
Maybe we'd better ask some of these bishops just why they were so anxious to cover up.
Get this.
God is Creator. Creation exists for ONLY ONE REASON:
The creation and sanctification of eternal souls, souls that can go on to populate Heaven. God the Creator created the world for HUMAN BEINGS!
Any religious system that rejects the reason for sexuality, i.e., condones ANY form of non-procreative sex (be it masturbation, homosexuality, beastiality, or Onanism/contraception), is a religion system in apostacy against the very reason God made the world.
Your religious system rejects 2000 years of Christian moral theology regarding non-procreative sex. It counsels married couples to engage in sodomitic sin.
Yes, homosexuals in our priesthood commit sodomitic sin in violation of our Church's teachings.
But your religious system confirms its blind followers in sodomitic sin, calling evil good, and good evil.
Get lost. You have nothing to offer real Christians in Christ's True Church.
If you know the catholic church teaches the truth and refuse to enter it and remain in it, you cannot be saved, according to catholic teaching. Does our Lord really expect us to remain in a church where children have been ruined? If you just go to a proper mass, you might be all right. If you get involved in almost anything else, you will be assaulted right and left by things like Medjugorje, Vassula, new-age nonsense, charismatic abuses and heresies, heterodoxy, and all sorts of other crazy things. Some priests are promoting these things, too, and I shudder to imagine what kind of spirituality is being promoted at priestly retreats. It's almost as if the priests and hierarchy don't believe in basic Christianity any more and are using the church because she is so powerful around the world.
We are our brothers' keeper, remember? Just because your child or my child didn't get assaulted doesn't mean that we don't share a measure of blame.
Yes, he does. He expects us to stay, and fight, and contend for the faith once delivered to the saints ... not cut and run like a bunch of scared rabbits.
If you cannot look scandal in the eye and thank God for his providential mercy in exposing and cleaning out the apostates and their apologists and their protectors, how can you possibly expect to stand martyrdom? Yet that is exactly what you were called to be ready to endure when you were confirmed.
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.--John 16:32-33
Post coitus, a man and his wife are not sad -- they can be spiritually elevated by the act. Absent that act in its proper place and time, a spititual vacuum, an emptiness, a falling short is unavoidable.
It is with that vacuum that the Church has played, and foundered -- for you built good spirituality off of solid roots and not from vortexes of confusion.
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