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Dobson to Californians: Quit public schools
World Net Daily ^ | 3/30/02 | Unknown

Posted on 04/09/2002 11:44:27 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

Dobson to Californians: Quit public schools Family advocate says 'I think it's time to get our kids out'

Posted: March 30, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

Leading family advocate James Dobson has urged California parents to leave the state's government school system.

"In the state of California, if I had a child there, I wouldn't put the youngster in a public school," the president of Focus on the Family said in his daily radio broadcast Thursday.

"I think it's time to get our kids out," Dobson said. "And I'm going to get hit for (saying) that."

A lobby group called the Alliance for the Separation of School & State said Dobson's "comments on the state of public schooling may mark a key turning point in the critical education discussion."

Dobson has more than 5 million listeners in the U.S. and is heard in another 100 countries.

"For years, James Dobson has supported three options for Christians: public schools, Christian schools and home schooling," alliance president Marshall Fritz said in a statement. "With (Thursday's) courageous and insightful statement, Dr. Dobson joins the millions of Americans who have concluded that many public schools are no place to train new generations of Americans."

Fritz's group has an online "Public Proclamation for the Separation of School and State" that has garnered more than 15,000 signatures. The petition calls for the end of government involvement in education.

He notes endorsement of the concept by religious leaders such as D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries in Florida; T.C. Pinckney, recently elected second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention; Tim LaHaye, author of the popular "Left Behind" series of novels; and Rabbi Daniel Lapin of Toward Tradition.

In a speech at the National Religious Broadcasters convention in February, Dobson noted that the California legislature has mandated the teaching of "homosexual propaganda" in the state's public schools.

"They're teaching them that bisexuality is normal and that homosexuality and heterosexuality are morally equivalent," Dobson said.

On its website, however, Focus on the Family maintains there is still hope for public schools in general.

An article titled "Rebuilding Hope for Public Schools" states: "Schools still face formidable foes: postmodern secular teaching and liberal agendas, policies that need to change, overly large classes, problems with discipline and the need for higher academic standards. But if ... we mix prayer with works, if parents are actively and prayerfully involved in their children's education, the evidence shows that public schools can change."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: academialist; california; educationnews; homeschooling; homeschoollist; homosexualagenda; publicschools; sasu
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1 posted on 04/09/2002 11:44:27 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
BTTT for Dobson!!
2 posted on 04/09/2002 11:46:36 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: erizona;hsmomx3;Homeschool_list;larryjohnson; KentuckyWoman; MHGinTN; carolina; joathome...
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3 posted on 04/09/2002 11:49:18 AM PDT by madfly
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To: Carry_Okie
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4 posted on 04/09/2002 11:49:57 AM PDT by madfly
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Alliance for the Separation of School and State

5 posted on 04/09/2002 11:51:25 AM PDT by toenail
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To: madfly;*SASU; JMJ333; Tourist Guy; EODGUY; abandon; Khepera; Dakmar; RichInOC; RebelDawg...
100% agreement from me. Take responsibility for your own children before its too late for them.


6 posted on 04/09/2002 11:51:33 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
It was posted twice before. Do a search on Dobson
8 posted on 04/09/2002 11:53:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Good job for Dobson. It would be better if the folks could take their school tax dollars out of the system along with their children.
9 posted on 04/09/2002 11:55:43 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: Homer_J_Simpson;ed reform;Academia List;Education News;Homeschool;
Here are links to various education threads (also containing numerous helpful links)

FReegards

Audit rips Georgia schools' curriculum
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Published: March 11, 2002;
Author:JAMES SALZER

Why schools fail: Samuel Blumenfeld warns Bush's education legislation is ineffective
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: March 2, 2002;
Author: Samuel Blumenfeld

Public School Isn't Like I Remember It
Too Good Reports; Published: February 28, 2002;
Author: Phyllis Schlafly

What Is Lacking In Our Educational System
Source: Too Good Reports; Published: February 28, 2002;
Author:| Ben Cerruti

The charade of education reform
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: February 2, 2002;
Author: Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld

American public schools: Working just as designed
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: January 21, 2002;
Author: Vox Day

High Schools Fail Thanks To Grade Inflation And Social Promotion
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: December 5, 2001
Author: Vin Suprynowicz

WHY AMERICANS CAN’T READ
Source: Accuracy in Media; Published: December 4, 2001
Author: Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid

The Failing Teacher and the Teachers' Code of Silence
Source: CNSNews.com; Published: December 3, 2001
Author: Glenn Sacks

Time for outrage! Linda Bowles reports latest results in America's public schools
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: November 27, 2001
Author: Linda Bowles

Illiterate in Boston: Samuel Blumenfeld explains U.S.'s ongoing reading problem
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: July 20, 2001
Author:Samuel Blumenfeld

NEA - Let our children go!
Source: WorldNet Daily; Published: June 23. 2001
Author: Linda Harvey

COOKING THE BOOKS AT EDUCATION
Source: Accuracy In Media; Published: June 5, 2001;
Author: Cliff Kincaid

Why Do Schools Play Games With Students' Minds ?
Source: The Detroit News; Published: April 1, 2001
Author: Thomas Sowell

The Public School Nightmare: Why fix a system designed to destroy individual thought?
Source: http://home.talkcity.com/LibraryDr/patt/homeschl.htm
Author: John Taylor Gatto

Dumbing down teachers
Source: USNews.com; Published: February 21, 2001
Author: John Leo

Free Republic links to education related articles (thread#8)
Source: Free Republic; Published: 3-20-2001
Author: Various

Are children deliberately 'dumbed down' in school? {YES!!!}
Source: World Net Daily; Published: May 13, 2001
Author: Geoff Metcalf {Interview}

New Book Explores America's Education Catastrophe
Source: Christian Citizen USA; Published: April 2000
Author: William H. Wild

Deliberately dumbing us down (Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt's, "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America"
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: December 2,1999
Author: Samuel L. Blumenfeld

Could they really have done it on purpose?
Source: THE LIBERTARIAN; Published: 07/28/2000
Author: Vin Suprynowicz

From the Littleton Crisis to Government Control Littleton Crisis to Government Control

The UN Plan for Your Mental Health The UN Plan for Your Mental Health


10 posted on 04/09/2002 11:55:58 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
In this case, I thing frequent re-posts are a good idea. Not many mothers get a chance to monitor FR daily. This is a courageous and committed man. Hope it catches on.
11 posted on 04/09/2002 11:57:40 AM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: AppyPappy
It was posted twice before. Do a search on Dobson

Right you are. I will search for key words in the future.

12 posted on 04/09/2002 11:58:19 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
Out of curiosity, does anyone have anything positive to say about Grayout Davis? Seriously, what has he done to better the state of California. Name one thing.

Well, he improved the public schools. How do I know this? When he was elected he said he would not run for re-election if the schools did not improve during his term. He is running for re-election. Ergo, the schools must have improved.

13 posted on 04/09/2002 12:01:27 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
Out of curiosity, does anyone have anything positive to say about Grayout Davis? Seriously, what has he done to better the state of California. Name one thing. I'm still thinking....

With hope, it'll be the same thing they say about Jimmy Carter: He got a conservative elected.

14 posted on 04/09/2002 12:02:20 PM PDT by JoeSchem
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
Don't bother you'll just give yourself a migraine...although he has proven to be the best thing yet for the CA Republican party like Klinton was for the GOP. GRAY DAYvis has solidified the GOP in CA and much of the independent electorate against him. His poll numbers are disastrous for him and fantastic for the GOP.
15 posted on 04/09/2002 12:05:02 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

You go, Dobson!

I am so glad we got out years ago. It's only going to get harder, as the State Reconditioners see their exclusive franchise increasingly threatened.

Get out while you still can!

Dan
16 posted on 04/09/2002 12:09:54 PM PDT by BibChr
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
He kept the printing presses running at the LEFT Angeles Times and The San Francisco Chronicles. He gave us permission to drive over bridges (if we felt like it) after a bomb threat was made. He allowed 11 power plants that were already under construction to be completed. I could go on but have you ever tried typing while rolling on the floor?
17 posted on 04/09/2002 12:36:39 PM PDT by w_over_w
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Thank you . . . I took my 15 year old out of PS after the 5th grade. Her heart for God is now protected. Praise Him!
18 posted on 04/09/2002 12:40:25 PM PDT by w_over_w
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
What took him so long!? For years he kept saying that public education was not that bad.

Perhaps the strongest voice ever heard on this subject was that of R. J. Rushdoony who nearly 40 years ago exposed public education for little more than government sponsored brainwashing. He wrote two books that are especially noteworthy on this topic and which are still in print: Intellectual Schizophrenia and The Messianic Character of American Education.
19 posted on 04/09/2002 1:04:21 PM PDT by aardvark1
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To: Khepera
And here are a couple of good reasons...John Dunphy in The Humanist 1983 said “The battle for man-kinds future must be won in the classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as proselytizers of a new faith that will replace Christianity”

Adolph Hitler said….”Let me control the textbooks and I will control the state. The state will take youth and give to youth it’s own education and it’s own upbringing. Your child belongs to us already….what are you?”

Dr. W. Pierce of Harvard University said in 1973…”Every 5 year old student is mentally ill, because he comes to school with allegiance toward founding fathers, institutions, government, patriotism, nationalism and sovereignty - all of these prove the child is sick because the well individual is one who has rejected all of these things and is what I call a true international child of the future”.

20 posted on 04/09/2002 1:13:43 PM PDT by patriot_wes
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Marshall Fritz bump.

He's been consistent!

The public schools are a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

23 posted on 04/09/2002 1:29:50 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
does anyone have anything positive to say about Grayout Davis?

He made liberals look foolish when California was doing rolling blackouts.

24 posted on 04/09/2002 1:30:45 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
I think you're far too hard on Dobson. You sound like a Democrat practicing violation of the Tenth Commandment as a substitute for meaningful comment, I must say. I'd be happy to die having done half as much good as Dr. Dobson has done.

No, I'm not saying I agree with him at every point. I am saying that I like the way he's done good erringly far more than I like his critics who have an inerrant theory, and nothing to show for it.

Having said all that, I think his point was good, and I'm not as quick to condemn his counsel. He's always been supportive, as far as I know, of alternative education. But the 20th century was the history of the Christian church withdrawing from arena after arena, and the Hell that broke loose in the aftermath. Dobson was saying we should stand here, to influence the minds of kids. Good theory. Doable? I don't know, but worth the effort.

And now, in California, it probably is indeed time to shake the dust off our feet, do our own thing, and let them eat our dust.

Dan

25 posted on 04/09/2002 1:52:02 PM PDT by BibChr
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Guenevere; madfly; toenail; Khepera; glockmeister40; Stand_Watch_Listen...
BCD:

This has indeed been a good development. Now if only the LeftCoasters would grow some yarbles on the race issues that confront Americans, of all colours!

There is one book that my friend Ray Moore carries with him to sell (at his cost) or give away whenever he speaks. It is crucial to this debate; and indeed to understanding the American experience (and predicament).

It is Samuel Blumenfeld's Is Public Education Necessary?

27 posted on 04/09/2002 3:01:21 PM PDT by one2many
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
BTW, I had NOT read thru the thread and your comments when I posted the above. You are correct in your assessment of Dobson. If for no other reason than to read the "mea culpas" of well-meaning twits like him you should read "Camp of the Saints" if you haven't yet.

Keep the skeer on 'em!

28 posted on 04/09/2002 3:09:16 PM PDT by one2many
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To: one2many
Three cheers for the extremists.
29 posted on 04/09/2002 3:16:01 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
My father was a counselor at Focus for 10 years or so. I never had the chance to meet Dr. Dobson but, everyone there in Colorado Springs that I did meet was really nice.

The building is gorgeous.

31 posted on 04/09/2002 3:35:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
Out of curiosity, does anyone have anything positive to say about Grayout Davis?

During last year's power crisis (I'm still hoping for a very hot summer this year), he showed us the proper way to run a secret government when he negotiated the power contracts that we're currently stuck with.

-PJ

32 posted on 04/09/2002 3:40:43 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Doh! Dobson bump
33 posted on 04/09/2002 3:44:31 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Sorry, no cheers for Dobson from me. He and his fellows have been exhorting all of us to "work within the system" since I was a teenager. The system is absolutely rotten and has nothing whatsoever to do with the system designed by the framers of the Constitution. Those conservatives who were allowed access to the media and who were recognized as the "conservative voices" by the liberal elite have gulled an entire generation into wasting decades in a pointless campaign which can't be won.

Of course, it isn't all Dobson's fault, but he shares the blame with the rest of the conservative leadership who avoided plain talk and plainer action in the name of being "mainstream". Even with his call for Californians to get their kids out of that state's public schools, he's still saying that there's hope for government controlled public schools. He still doesn't get it.

35 posted on 04/09/2002 4:27:59 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Please don't Straw Man me.

I was making an observation independent of the post. I neither agreed nor disagreed with the post because I have always had reservations against Focus.

I’ve always been an approving skeptic of them though, and am very pleased that my father worked for Focus on the Family rather than, say, GLAD or some such other group.

36 posted on 04/09/2002 4:54:19 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
After putting three kids through the system... I can still hear the mantra of the school system.

"Be tolerant of everything, judgemental of nothing"

37 posted on 04/09/2002 5:16:24 PM PDT by checkessential
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To: Twodees
Given that you seem to think that any meaningful effort at change is doomed to fail, what IS your strategy for a return to Constitutional governance?
39 posted on 04/09/2002 5:25:05 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
#34....and all your other posts!

You know, I am really tired of your attitude!

You sit here pontificating about Dobson, and I suspect you don't know HALF of what this man is about or what he has done.

YES, he DID try to keep parents working within the system............Does it ever occur to you that ALL these public school children will be standing side to side with our private Christian school chilren in the marketplace.

Shouldn't there be those ....who choose to be....in the public schools who can be salt & light?

Dobson was very hesitant to abandon the public school arena.....EVEN THOUGH...he was always, always aware of what the public school represented.

My two children went through public school......and are strong Christians.

....but I was always volunteering & as I volunteered, I kept informed through sources like Dobson, and tried to effect change in the RIGHT direction whenever I could.

I have always heard/known that whatever happens in the California schools ALWAYS trickles down to the rest of the country.
I heard this from Dobson & I heard this from educators in my childrens schools.

Whatever fad was the experiment du jour in CA, would eventually be foisted upon Podunk County wherever!

I will thank-you to read/listen more (or any, as I suspect you haven't) to what James Dobson says & believes.

This man has been the vanguard for millions of parents through the years.........waging the fight for our schools, and the hearts of our children.

If he says California is a lost cause..........May God have mercy, because it indeed is a lost cause.

40 posted on 04/09/2002 5:31:54 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Lack of parental involvement? The only parental involvement the government schools REALLY care about is that you put the kid on the bus, pay your taxes, vote for the school bonds, and shut up.

You got that right. They want classroom volunteers to staple, glue, file, and shut up. I been there and done it, and now we're homeschooling and never going back.

By the way, Dr. Laura is also now urging her listeners to GET OUT of the government schools, mainly for the pro-gay, pro-sex, and anti-family garbage being served up to the students.

42 posted on 04/09/2002 6:18:30 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
Out of curiosity, does anyone have anything positive to say about Grayout Davis? Seriously, what has he done to better the state of California. Name one thing. I'm still thinking....

Your going to be thinking for a VERY long time for this one! I am not going help you cause I can't thunk of anything anyhow! hehehe

44 posted on 04/09/2002 8:19:56 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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A boost for education !!!
46 posted on 04/10/2002 12:29:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Guenevere
[This man has been the vanguard for millions of parents]

And that's why he should be ashamed of himself. He's been a shill for whatever the government wants to do to our children all that time if he has been "always, always aware". I don't doubt that he has been aware, and that makes him complicit.

My family never paid heed to radio/TV "christian leaders". It turns out that my parents were right about such people. Media "christian leaders" are making a good living undermining the teachings of Christ.

47 posted on 04/10/2002 3:03:42 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney;Twodees
You know what.......just a glance at today's headlines, and I haven't any fight left to go against you two, and neither do I want to.

I was trying to defend Dobson, of whom I admire & respect.
You two don't, and nothing I can say will change your minds.

Burke, I know how the public schools operate, but thanks for the info lesson ....

I can only testify that Dobson, years ago, helped me understand that parents can & should make a difference in our schools, and set me on that course for many years.

And not only that, but after 15 years of marriage & when a lot of doubt & insecurity was settling in......I heard on his radio program & from reading his books.... life experiences and faith works of others that literally pulled me through that uneasy time.

I will always thank him & be grateful for his tireless devotion to families.

And yes, he does have a wonderful facility in Colorado Springs, and when I finally got to visit, I couldn't stop weeping for the joy he had brought to my entire family, and others like myself.

That's all I have to say.

God bless.

48 posted on 04/10/2002 4:38:39 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney;Twodees
PS.....My daughter now teaches, and has taught, at a private Christian school for the past 7 years.

.....However, in the public school that she & my son attended & graduated from, there has been & still is a Christian club which meets ON CAMPUS for the past 9 years.......with pastors, Bibles, praise choruses, etc......and reaching the unchurched public school children in this highschool.

Also, in case you are unaware, there have been & still are THOUSANDS of Mom Groups who meet on a weekly basis to PRAY for our public schools, and interract with the administration as parents who care, and volunteer & bring 'light' to the campus.

All across America & overseas, there are Moms meeting in homes weekly.....praying for our schools.

Where did I first hear about this?.......Dobson's radio program.

I became a Prayer Facilitator for the schools in our county, and we had Moms representing over 25 schools engaged in weekly prayer, and also acts of service & kindness.

So, if Dobson is now saying, 'Get out of the California schools'........you can believe MANY will heed his call, and understand this state has been forsaken.

But I hope you know there are untold Christians in California who are heartbroken that it has come to this...........but understand the agenda that Planned Parenthood, the Gay Alliance, etc. has finally gripped the schools there so tightly, Dobson has had to make this plea.

And he will be listened to.

49 posted on 04/10/2002 4:53:55 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I'm beginning to believe that it's time for the publik skool systems in this country to go completely private. However, I suspect it would have to be gradual to avoid scaring the bejeebers out of people: eliminate fed funding and regs first; state funding and most state regs, second; and local funding and most local regs lastly.
50 posted on 04/11/2002 8:59:20 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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