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Fox's Banners Are Using Term "Homicide Bomber" (wazup wit dat)
Fox Cable News | 04-11-02 | self

Posted on 04/12/2002 9:12:32 AM PDT by mercy

This is wierd. It's not the runner at the bottom of the screen but the caption titles above the runner. I've seen it several times in the last few minutes. Is this some new concession to a political correctness beyond the beyond? Or just an illiterate caption writer?


TOPICS: Extended News; Israel
KEYWORDS: bomb; bomber; homicide; homocidebombings
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1 posted on 04/12/2002 9:12:32 AM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
I think it is an improvement.

Suicide implies some poor mentally disturbed person doing "themselves" in.

Homicide is much more accurate. They are out to see how many other people they can kill.

2 posted on 04/12/2002 9:15:15 AM PDT by eFudd
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To: mercy
Now the commentator is doing it. This is disgusting. Can't wait for Brit and Hannity to jump on this. The excrement is going to be diffused.
3 posted on 04/12/2002 9:15:36 AM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
I heard that Bush called this a "homicide bomber" this morning. I think they believe that it is better than calling this a "suicide" bomber, which might tend to show sympathy toward the idiot who blew themselves up.
4 posted on 04/12/2002 9:15:51 AM PDT by narby
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To: eFudd
Somebody over at FOX must be perusing Free Republic.
5 posted on 04/12/2002 9:16:19 AM PDT by Siouxz
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To: mercy
If they are using it to refer to Palestinian suicide-bombers, I'd say it's an improvement. To call them "suicide bombers" puts the emphasis on their own death and "sacrifice" and "martyrdom" and ignores their real goal and the real result (at least, the real result of the ones not so stupid as to only manage to kill themselves.)
6 posted on 04/12/2002 9:16:27 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: eFudd
Noooooo Ari Fleisher called them homicide bombers during the press conference yesterday.
7 posted on 04/12/2002 9:16:41 AM PDT by cksharks
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To: eFudd
Homicide is much more accurate. They are out to see how many other people they can kill.

I agree. Homicide gives it the connotation of what it really is, a crime.

8 posted on 04/12/2002 9:17:04 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: mercy
"Homicide Bomber" is much more accurate, and paints the pali's in a much worse light. I like it.
9 posted on 04/12/2002 9:17:22 AM PDT by narby
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To: mercy
Hmm. Don't know what's up with it, but in some ways I kind of like it. 'Homicide' means killing people. 'Suicide' is a person killing himself. In this case I think it may be accurate to say that the only 'people' dying are the victims.
10 posted on 04/12/2002 9:17:24 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: narby
I disagree. It sounds like a politically correct tone down effort to me.
11 posted on 04/12/2002 9:17:33 AM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
I like it, they're murderers so call them that.
12 posted on 04/12/2002 9:17:58 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: mercy
Think about it: it turns the focus from the "glorious Islamic martyr" to the victims of his sociopathy.
13 posted on 04/12/2002 9:18:25 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: mercy
Actually "Homicide Bomber" is more appropriate. For me, I don't care if a radical muslim wants to blow HIMSELF up (in fact, I wish more would). The fact that such extremists blow-up themselves and others who are innocent is homicide and it is accurate to call them homicide bombers.
14 posted on 04/12/2002 9:18:46 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot
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To: mercy
Big improvement. "Suicide bomber" suggests that just the homicidal lunatic died. "Homicide bomber" lets you know the aim was to kill innocent bystanders.
15 posted on 04/12/2002 9:19:32 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Poohbah
ok, I'm thinking ................

Hmmmmmmm.

still thinking

Still don't like it.

16 posted on 04/12/2002 9:20:00 AM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
I disagree. It sounds like a politically correct tone down effort to me.

If suicide is killing oneself and homicide is killing others, how does a switch from suicide to homicide constitute 'toning down?' Kudos to FoxNews for the switch!

Now if we could just get them to say 'terrorist pigs' rather than 'terrorists...'

17 posted on 04/12/2002 9:20:45 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: pabianice
The only term that fits is "Terrorist Suicide Bomber"
18 posted on 04/12/2002 9:20:46 AM PDT by Registered
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To: mercy
I prefer scumbag murdering whackjobs myself, but I understand politics is the art of the possible. I'll take homicide bombers over suicide bombers any day.
19 posted on 04/12/2002 9:21:06 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: mercy
I think you're off base. These people are terrorists and should be called so. I actually think homicide bomber is to light. They should be called "Terrorist Bombers".
20 posted on 04/12/2002 9:21:37 AM PDT by Weimdog
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To: eFudd
What ever happened to terrorist bomber? Thats more accurate.
21 posted on 04/12/2002 9:21:45 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: mercy
I'm for it. A number of commentators (including Jonah Goldberg on CSPAN the other day) have been pointing out lately that the "suicide" tag tells only part of the story--these people are trying to kill as many people as possible, not just commit suicide. They are murderers.
22 posted on 04/12/2002 9:22:04 AM PDT by duvausa
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To: mercy
how is it politically correct ? Homicide is the deliberate, usually premeditated murder of (innocent) human being(s) -- what would you call what happened in Jerusalem a few hours ago ?
23 posted on 04/12/2002 9:22:49 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: mercy
How about this. Would you rather hear that someone was the victim of a suicide bomber or that they were the victim of a homicide bomber?

The first encourages you to have empathy for the mutant that killed himself (or these days herself) and others while the latter lets you know that they were murdered.

24 posted on 04/12/2002 9:22:52 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Registered
How bout Suicide Bomber Terrorist?
25 posted on 04/12/2002 9:23:05 AM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
I momentarily heard someone named Ken Adelman using the phrase on the Laura Ingraham (sp?) show (radio) last weekend.

Maybe someone can check that as a source.

27 posted on 04/12/2002 9:24:28 AM PDT by American Preservative
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To: Registered
The goal is to kill jews, men, women and children. Thats homicide. They strap plastique around their waists only because that is the surest way to accomplish their goal. The suicide is a tool to accomplish the goal to murder and terrorize jews.
28 posted on 04/12/2002 9:24:31 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: twyn1
I do agree tho' -- adding "terrorist" in front would be even better
29 posted on 04/12/2002 9:25:14 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: mercy
No, I have been urging a change in terminology for weeks. Suicide, doesn't describe the evil act of murder. It could be murder-suicide, but not just suicide bomber. At this point, though, who really cares about the suicide perpetrator. If the families of these murders don't care about them, why should anyone else? Homicidial bombers is very descriptive, it implies more action and forethought than just murder. I like it.
30 posted on 04/12/2002 9:25:31 AM PDT by Eva
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To: mercy
Is this some new concession to a political correctness beyond the beyond?

What are you talking about? This is TERRIFIC! They should be called what they are. They're not just committing suicide... they're murdering others.
31 posted on 04/12/2002 9:25:56 AM PDT by hawaiian
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To: mercy
Hell, I don't call them suicide bomber or homicide bomber. That's too nice. I call them MASS MURDERERS. That's what they are.
32 posted on 04/12/2002 9:26:11 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: mercy
The 911 'homocide bombers'---

If the intent of the 'bomber' is to kill others, 'homocide bomber' is definitely more accurate. One can martyr themself without murdering others; 'homocide bombers' don't do that. "You will know them by their love."

33 posted on 04/12/2002 9:26:34 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: mercy
Michael Savage started using the term "Homicide Bomber" a couple of weeks ago because the purpose of the attacks is murder, not suicide. Sounds like Savage has some listeners at FOX.
34 posted on 04/12/2002 9:27:36 AM PDT by PrivateIdaho
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To: mercy
Is this some new concession to a political correctness beyond the beyond?

Quite the oppisite I think. They're just calling a spade a spade, or in this case: A Murderer, a Murderer.

35 posted on 04/12/2002 9:27:54 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: mercy
That full-on kicks A.

My Fox Respect-O-Meter just shot up 10 points. This, following a 6 month downward trend.

36 posted on 04/12/2002 9:28:37 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: mercy
Call a Spade, a Spade...
37 posted on 04/12/2002 9:29:28 AM PDT by FFIGHTER
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To: AFreeBird
oppisite=opposite

Sheesh, I can't believe I let that slip by.

38 posted on 04/12/2002 9:29:58 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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OK. obvioulsy I need to get my mind right. It's just that the whole world has fully digested the term suicide Bomber. To me it is an appropriately negative term because most western people believe suicide is very wrong unless one is terminally ill and near to suffering a painful death. It is further believed that kamakazi bombing is a sick practice. A 'homicide bomber' might just have well thrown a hand grenade into a crowd with no injury to himself. It's not really as discriptive as 'suicide bomber'.
39 posted on 04/12/2002 9:29:58 AM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
"I disagree. It sounds like a politically correct tone down effort to me."

Who do you pity more---a killer of self, or a killer of others? 'Suicide' is the more toned-down politically correct term, IMHO. Homocide is the 'truth' of their purpose.(With themselves being 'collateral damage')

40 posted on 04/12/2002 9:30:53 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: mercy
I couldn't disagree with you more.

The main thing about these bombers is not that they are killing themselves, but rather that they are killing others. As such, the description "Homicide bomber" is much more accurate, and damning.

If they want to be suicide bombers, they should go to a place where there are no other people and blow themselves up. Then they can be more accurately called suicide bombers.

41 posted on 04/12/2002 9:30:56 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Poohbah
They should have been calling them Homicide bombers from day one. Another media face saver for the murderers; Al-Aqsa MARTYR brigade. It should read Al Aqsa MURDER brigade.
42 posted on 04/12/2002 9:32:08 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I heard Netanyahu say last week that they should be referred to as "homicide bombers" because that was more accurate.
43 posted on 04/12/2002 9:32:14 AM PDT by Dratlatl
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To: mercy; registered
I could go for Terrorist Homicide Bomber.
44 posted on 04/12/2002 9:32:15 AM PDT by Dales
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To: mercy
It makes sense. Why call them suicide bombers? That only glorifies their supposed martyrdom. Calling them homocide bombers puts the emphasis where it belongs...on the monsters innocent, civilian victims.
45 posted on 04/12/2002 9:32:58 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: mercy
It sounds like a politically correct tone down effort to me.

A real politically correct tone down would be something like, Muslim Repulsion Technician's

46 posted on 04/12/2002 9:33:39 AM PDT by WhatNot
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To: Dales
I'll second that motion.
47 posted on 04/12/2002 9:34:07 AM PDT by Registered
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To: cardinal4
Maybe they should do that and say (for the first few times) "Oops. Freudian slip."
48 posted on 04/12/2002 9:34:53 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: mercy
Homicidal Maniacs would more fitting, but "Homicide Bombers" is an improvement...
49 posted on 04/12/2002 9:34:55 AM PDT by hope
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To: PrivateIdaho
I was thinking the same thing. Or maybe FOX lurks on FreeRepublic, where this term has been in use for several weeks now.

"Homicide" bomber is a bit more "nice" than "murder" bomber, although just as accurate. Either term is much more apt than "suicide" bomber.

Hmmmm... The Friday edition of The Federalist newletter just arrived in my email. Looks they also have adopted the term "homicide" bomber. Good.


50 posted on 04/12/2002 9:35:10 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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