Socialism USA

why labor? Why do anything?

There will always be those who dare to excel, no matter the environment. But, yeah, I agree with you.

Also, where's the barf alert? I guess it's not mandatory, eh?

IRS Pays Millions in Slavery Reparations - Just sign the back of your paycheck, and send it to Washington.

note I said 'personal reward' -- as in "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

"Happiness" is an American term -- "Capitalism" describes an economic system, not a political one.

'Profit' is not 'happiness', 'time' is not 'money'. Time and Happiness are Life.

There will always be those who dare to excel, no matter the environment.

No. Not in a socialist society. Look at the public socialist schools. If there's a smarter child, that child is used by the teacher to teach the slower child. In turn, the smarter child is held back so the slower child can catch up. "It's not fair one succeed and not the other. It effects a childs self esteem. Everything must be equalized. Better slow than to cause discomfort to another."

No longer would we be Serfs to a Royal Crown. Anything we made, we could keep

In a country such as the founding fathers envisaged for us, where true individual freedom would exist, people have the opportunity to take care of their own poverty. Usually, when poor immigrants arrived (this describes pretty much all of our ancestors, actually), they climbed out of poverty by the next generation, often sooner.

Now, however, as we adopt socialist ways, the government is paying people to be poor, to have childen out of wedlock, basically government now pays you to fail, therefore we are now producing classes of people who create succeeding generations of failure.

It takes desire and determination to defeat poverty, the state can provide neither of these, socialism destroys both.

I look around and sometimes believe that the U.S.A. is already socialist.

Sometimes???

I think we are running on the momentum of a tradition of individual freedom going to Anglo-Saxon times in England.

Because of this centuries old tradition, we still act like we're free and still think like it, but if we forgot about our tradition of freedom and if all of society changed their attitudes towards it (the dems already have), we would find that the laws are already in place to make this a rather totalitarian society.

When the momentum dies, we are likely to find that our freedom disappeared long ago.

There will always be those who dare to excel, no matter the environment

Egalitarianism is one of the pillars of socialism. Since it requires everyone to be equal, it tends to prevent people from excelling.

I know, government cannot really make everyone equal, but it can surely have a devastating effect trying.

Public schools, Amtrak, etc., I guess are examples of socialism at work.

Here you say "are likely to find," I say "will find."

I won't argue with you.

All indications are that the answer to that question is yes.

There's no doubt in my mind that lots of Americans like socialism and even condider it to be "American." It's why I feel like odd man out in my beliefs. Nine out of ten people seem completely ignorant concerning what America was meant to be. Note that I say "was."

Amen. I just talked to a socialist today that pretty much sums up your opinion.

I said, I am a Businees Owner and after I nvest in your pay and expenses I make 30000$ a year.

I know construction workers up here who make 50000$ to START. I told her that while I put money in my portfolio every week, most people would rather go to bars or play Golf(In Mass, the working class plays golf.) then invest thier money.

I said this "When I am retirement age and I have a lot of money, why should it be taxed to pay for people that made more then me to pay for THIER kids because they were irresponsible and would rather drink and have fun?"

She said, because they have kids. WTF!?!?! If you have children, shouldn't you be MORE responsible? If I had kids, I would invest MORE, not drink my life away or bowl or play golf.

This PROVES that they reward sloth with MY hard labors. I am not thier damn slave. The person I am talking about makes MORE then I do, I will be damned if I have to pay for thier moronic decisions and yet that is what the left wishes.

If they want the damn children to be normal people then perhaps I should just take them and raise them myself! Children are expensive, if you have them learn to live like an adult and provide for them. If you have to steal money from someone that is not as wealthy as you(BUt better at SIMPLE planning.)to feed your kids, then I suggest you DO NOT HAVE children.

Fifty percent of the population does not pay direct taxes of any kind. Any imbecile can see where this situation is going. The only "Oppressors" around are Socialists. They wish to use the tax code as social engineering. I have news for them, they are engineering a bunch of morons. Congratulations to the mor, um... the Socialists on the fine job they are doing. Welcome to Chaos.

I read somewhere, I can't remember exactly where, that most "entitlement" and welfare money goes not to the "poor," but to the middle class. Though the portion that does go to the poor mostly has the effect of keeping them poor.