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Jerry Golden "REPORT" from Israel: The Time Is Very Close!
The Golden Report ^ | 4-15-02 | Jerry Golden

Posted on 04/15/2002 12:16:07 AM PDT by 2sheep


The Time is Very Close!

  The Sovereign State of Israel says they will not negotiate with this devil Yasser Arafat. Our Prime Minister has declared him irreverent. This Jew killing monster has been proven time and time again to be not only an enemy to the Jews and the State of Israel but to the entire civilized world. He has been run out of the surrounding Arab Nations and forced into exile by Lebanon, and Jordan in the recent past, and Egypt will not allow these people who call themselves Palestinians to even come there. Yet Colin Powell comes to Israel as our guest and then goes against the policy of Israel and he and Shimon Peres tries once again to save this devil so he can one day to do us more harm.

In the Gulf War Yasser Arafat joined Saddam Hussein in murdering other Arabs, and today he has purchased one of Saddam Hussein's mansions as a place to go into exile when the time comes. And today the PLO Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel, which is never brought up in the UN. When over two thirds of all the resolutions passed in the UN are against Israel.

Before 1917 when the British took control of Jerusalem from the Turks there was not only no such people as Palestinians there were very few Arabs on this land called Israel today. In fact, they didn't start calling themselves Palestinians until after the 6 Day War in 1967. This land was named Palestine by the Romans who did it as an insult to the Jews and in an attempt to strip it of any Jewish Identity. But the truth still remains that for more than 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the capitol of the Jewish people. In fact, no other people on earth have ever called it their capitol but the Jewish people. King David, not Mohammed founded the city of Jerusalem, Jews always pray facing Jerusalem, and Moslems pray facing Mecca, while turning their backs to Jerusalem. In the Bible the name Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times, and never mentioned once in the Koran.

As Bible Believing, God fearing people, who read the Word of God, we know that in the end times Jerusalem will be a cup of trembling. Zechariah 12:2. We also know that God will gather "ALL" nations against Jerusalem to battle, we also read in Zechariah 14:2b and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. It is now becoming obvious that the half of the city mentioned here is East Jerusalem, or the Old City. But for those who think they will escape the wrath of God because they are not in Jerusalem should read Zechariah 12:9-10: And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced...

We are about to see the great and mighty hand of God as it not only comes down and purges and makes pure His people Israel, but we will see His judgment of all the nations that come against His people. But the part that interests me the most is "and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced" for I believe this is why I am here as are many others. God has and is placing certain Jewish Believers throughout this land for a revival among the Jewish people, and He (God) is choosing those to be a blessing to Israel throughout His Kingdom. (Gen. 12:3)  No doubt there will be hell to pay before it happens, but we will be left standing and when the smoke clears God's Word will go forth from Jerusalem, and they (my precious Jewish people) will look upon Him whom we have pierced. Glory to God, I just have to stop and shout.

So even with the evil acts of many men, I can see in this visit of Colin Powell, and the double standards of President Bush in regards to Israel and Terrorism the Hand of God. I know it is the God I serve who is in control. But make no mistake about it, Bush and Powell will bring judgment down on the heads of those who live in the United States, and it shall rain on the just and the unjust alike.

The Devil has unleashed his religions weapon "Islam" on the world and it is now working full force on a global basis. Yasser Arafat is but one of his tools to destroy the "people of the Book" Jews and Christians around the world. Yasser Arafat is filled with the spirit of anti-Christ and he is preparing the way for the one that will be called the Anti-Christ. Time is running very short for us to be about the Father's business, to put aside all our foolishness and to give all that we are and have acquired to serve and too bless God.

I woke this morning an hour early at 4:00 o'clock to read the Word and pray, as we have a big day ahead of us, and will be traveling here in Israel. I am blessed to have [my son] Joel with me today, if you should get this in time, we would appreciate your prayers. Also for this car to keep running until we are able to purchase one more reliable.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, for our son Joel, for this Ministry and your part in it.  [Emphasis Added]

Shalom,
jerry golden
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Verses mentioned above:

Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.  3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Zec 14:2b ...and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.  3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Ge 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

1 posted on 04/15/2002 12:16:07 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Prodigal Daughter;Thinkin' Gal;Jeremiah Jr; AlGone2001; boston_liberty; brat; bray...
BTTT.
2 posted on 04/15/2002 12:19:57 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
didn`t this same kind of trash talk come from Germany in the 30`s? Listen to what you are saying.
3 posted on 04/15/2002 12:22:29 AM PDT by bybybill
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To: 2sheep
bump
4 posted on 04/15/2002 12:23:08 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2sheep
"This Jew killing monster has been proven time and time again to be not only an enemy to the Jews and the State of Israel but to the entire civilized world."

And the Nobel committee has dared to bestow a "peace prize" on him.

6 posted on 04/15/2002 12:29:42 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: bybybill
"didn`t this same kind of trash talk come from Germany in the 30`s?"

Funny that you should ask that, bbb. The trash spoken by Arafat to his "palestinian" rabble is identical in every respect to the hateful rhetoric of Adolph Hitler. In fact, Arafat embarked on his murderous rampage against Jews around the same time Hitler did. It's all there -- the blood libel, the calls for racial "cleansing," the degrading epithets. Did you know that most of the arab states were nazi allies back then?

8 posted on 04/15/2002 12:35:26 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Lazarus Long
"...Arafat's prize makes perfect sense."

Yep. Same thing goes for the Pulitizer and half a dozen other "prestigious awards."

9 posted on 04/15/2002 12:37:09 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Lazarus Long; GeronL;Bonaparte
Ever notice how people who write like they are wearing white sheets all tend to hate the Jews?  Whether KKK or Hamas, they are of their father the devil.
10 posted on 04/15/2002 1:07:27 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Bonaparte; Lazarus Long; GeronL; dennisw
Two of the phrases that set flags off for me are these:

>Yet Colin Powell comes to Israel as our guest and then goes against the policy of Israel and he and Shimon Peres tries once again to save this devil so he can one day to do us more harm.

>Bush and Powell will bring judgment down on the heads of those who live in the United States, and it shall rain on the just and the unjust alike.

Some prophecy scholars see America taken out by a consortium of her enemies (Russia, China, N. Korea, Arab co-op) in judgment from God before a final war against Israel.  Others look at the phrase "at the same time" in Ezekiel 38.  Perhaps there are two wars.  Perhaps only one.  We watch.  This is certain -- to side with Muslims against Israel is really dumb, as is deserting Israel.

11 posted on 04/15/2002 1:14:58 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Bush and Powell will bring judgment down on the heads of those who live in the United States,

Sad, but true. The Bible is non-negotiable. When God says he will destroy those nations that seek to divide his land, and specificly mentions the Hills of Judea in context with the return of his people, Bush by calling for a Palestinian State to be formed in the West Bank (or the Judean Hills), called judgement on America. No way to argue, only wait for the hammer to fall.

Funny a guy that is a "Christian" Leader of his Nation would not know that. Must not have a Bible.

13 posted on 04/15/2002 5:25:29 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: 2sheep
Those who wear those white sheets remind me of what Jesus said about the cup being white and clean on the outside...but 'eeeeewwwwww' on the inside.

Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the Bible, knows that 'ya' shouldn't mess or betray Israel. They are the apple of His eye. SHAME on W.

14 posted on 04/15/2002 5:43:20 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: 2sheep
ROCK of ISREAL-To The Jew First HERE
15 posted on 04/15/2002 6:02:06 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: 2sheep
The Great Premillennial HOAX

In 1970, Hal Lindsey came out with his monstrous best-selling book (15 million sold), "The Late Great Planet Earth." Since then, much of Evangelical Christianity has been obsessed with the signs of the times.

From 1971 until 1986, I was an active, visible participant in the Lutheran Charismatic Movement. Since the movement was highly influenced by Pentecostal thinking, in addition to adopting the theology of the Holy Spirit, many Lutheran Charismatics also adopted the eschatology of Pentecostals. I guess you might say, "We got the Holy Spirit, feathers and all." I adopted and also taught the Premillennial view of the end times. In fact, given the circumstances in the world, there was little doubt in my mind that this was the accurate understanding of Biblical prophecy.

May 13, 1981
The evening of May 13, 1981, was the regular meeting of the Ladies' Guild of Bethel Lutheran Church in Howard City, Mich. As pastor of the congregation, I attended the meeting and presented a topic for discussion.

May 13, 1981, was a very special evening for prophecy buffs. It could very well have been the last night that Christians would spend upon this earth. For if everything being said by the modern-day experts in Biblical prophecy was true, May 14 was the day of "the Rapture."

As the pastor, I felt it was my responsibility to share the why and wherefore of this momentous event with these women. Being good, traditional, Lutheran laypeople, they knew very little, if anything, about Biblical prophecy. It was my task to warn them of the event that might transpire within the next 24 hours.

By sharing this story with you, I hope to impart the essence of Premillennial thinking.

The Generation of the Fig Tree
The Biblical scenario I presented to these unsuspecting women, proving that the rapture would take place the next day, began with an interpretation of Matt. 24:32-34. Jesus said:

Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

What generation was Jesus talking about? Many scholars believed that it was the generation of the people that Jesus was addressing and that the events He was predicting were not the end of the world, but rather the destruction of Jerusalem. In fact, within 40 years, Jerusalem would be utterly destroyed.

While that is all well and good, there was another way of looking at these words of Jesus - a way that caused these predictions to become very real in the here and now.

From the notes in my Scofield Bible, I knew there would be a future restoration of Israel in the land. In Ez. 34:13, the prophet predicted that God would gather the Jews from the nations and bring them into their own land. Writing his notes in 1908, Scofield stated that this referred to a future restoration of the nation of Israel, or, as some perceived it, the budding of the fig tree. In the Old Testament, the nation of Israel was referred to as a fig tree. In Matt. 21:19, Jesus cursed the fig tree because it had no fruit. This was perceived as a rejection of Israel.

Well, on May 14, 1948, the fig tree budded. Israel became a nation as a result of a United Nations declaration. This date was vital to all Biblical prophecy experts. Israel was in the land. The countdown to the end had begun. We were indeed the generation of the fig tree. It was this generation that would see the end of all things. Since a generation was 40 years, the end would be in 1988.

Those who taught this view also taught, from Scripture, that before the end of all things, there would be a tribulation period of seven years according to the prophecies of Daniel. Rev. 7:14 speaks of the Great Tribulation. During those seven years, the anti-Christ would arise. He would be a political figure and, according to Dan. 7:24-25, he would be given authority by ten kings. Since the European Common market was forming and nearly ten nations had already come together, the time of the anti-Christ was soon upon us.

Other signs of the rise of the anti-Christ were obvious. Given the fact that scanning devices were beginning to become evident in grocery stores, could the "mark of the beast" be far behind? We would soon be in the position of having to make a choice when the government brands us with a mark on the right hand or forehead, without which we would not be able to buy or sell, according to Revelation 13.

In addition, Ezekiel 38 and 39 warned about the invasion of Israel by "Gog and Magog." According to the notes in my Scofield Bible, this referred to a time when Israel was in the land and Russia, advancing from the north, would invade them. The politics at that time allowed for this to be a very real possibility. The book of Ezekiel stated that God will destroy the Russian army and the buzzards would eat their flesh. A tract was being circulated that claimed the buzzards were laying twice as many eggs in Israel in order to have enough troops to eat the Russians. (I often wondered how they knew this.)

In 1967, the armies of Israel had captured the old city of Jerusalem, including temple mount. According to Ezekiel 40ff., the millennial temple was to be built. Everything was in order. An interesting rumor circulated that the stones for the temple were already carved out of Bedford, Ind., limestone and were hidden in caves. Other rumors stated that the Ark of the Covenant had been discovered under the temple site and that plans to rebuild were underway.

It was happening!
In 1978, I led my first trip to the land of Israel. There were four groups of Lutheran Charismatics taking the trip. I led one of the groups. The purpose of the trip was to attend a "Prophecy Conference" in Jerusalem, led by Derek Prince. Since so much of my thinking had been influenced by the popular Premillennial prophetic notions of the day, it was an exciting trip. Things were happening in the land. The people were restored. God seemed to be on their side as they went to battle against the enemies who surrounded them.

Prince spoke on the subject of parallel restorations, comparing the events in Israel with the events marking the growth of the Charismatic Movement. In 1948, when Israel became a nation, both the Billy Graham crusades and the Latter Rain Movement (early roots of the Charismatic Movement) started. In 1967, when Israel took the old city of Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit was poured out upon Roman Catholics at Notre Dame. In 1971, the Yom Kippur war broke out in Israel while the Holy Spirit moved mightily on the different denominations. For one participating in these events, these connections were obvious.

What was happening at the Dead Sea was very interesting. Zechariah 14 spoke of the return of the Messiah to the Mount of Olives, causing a great earthquake that would split the mount in two. Living water would flow from temple mount.

This stream of living water coming out of temple mount would flow to the Dead Sea and, according to Ezekiel (47:8ff):

This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Sea. When it empties into the Sea, the water there becomes fresh. Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds - like the fish of the Great Sea. But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they will be left for salt.

Well, parts of this prophecy were already in place. The Dead Sea had been divided due to the lack of water flowing down from the Sea of Galilee. The fresh water from the Galilee was being pumped into the desert so that the "desert was blooming," as Is. 35:1-2 stated.

This lack of water to the Dead Sea divided the sea. As Ezekiel predicted, a portion would be left for salt after the rest of the Sea had been sweetened with the living water pouring out of temple mount. We even took a dip in the Dead Sea at En Gedi, rejoicing that one day this would be sweet water after Jesus returned. In fact, our guide, who catered to end-of-the-world-minded Christians, showed us fish ponds near the northern-most part of the Dead Sea which, according to his explanation, were being prepared for the time when the Dead Sea would be sweetened.

Back to May 13, 1981
A very important ingredient in the Premillennial scenario was "the rapture." Christians would not pass through the great seven-year tribulation. They would be taken out or snatched away and be with the Lord. In Matt. 24:38-41, Jesus spoke of one being taken and one being left. Also, 1 Thess. 4:17 "clearly" spoke of the Rapture:

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

The Rapture of the church was imminent. Hal Lindsey had stated that it was the next event in the prophetic scenario. I had a bumper sticker that read, "In case of rapture, this car will self-destruct." My favorite song was "The King Is Coming." According to the Premillennial scenario, the end of all things would be in 1988, or 40 years after Israel occupied in the land and the "fig tree blossoms." If you deduct seven years for the Tribulation, this means that on May 14, 1981, the rapture of the Church would take place. Therefore, this was a very exciting evening to be alive!

I shared every detail with the women of the Bethel Lutheran Church Ladies' Guild. After my presentation, one little elderly woman said, "Reverend, why are you scaring us?"

Well, May 14, 1988, came and went, and nothing happened. In fact, 1988 came and went and nothing happened. Since that time, the Soviet Union has disbanded. The European Common Market now includes far more than ten members and Israel is giving land back to the Palestinians. When the events did not pan out, some prophecy "experts" redated the blooming of the fig tree to 1967, when Israel occupied the old city of Jerusalem. This would put the time of the end in the year 2007 and the "rapture" in the year 2000. The Y2K scare also fueled the notion that this would be the start of the tribulation. Again, it didn't happen.

Having bought into this Premillennial way of thinking and living with great expectations that came to absolutely nothing brought me to the conclusion that this theology is the greatest hoax ever visited upon unsuspecting Christians. The hoax lives on. Despite of unfulfilled predictions, the thinking persists.

The Roots of the System
I embraced the Premillennial Dispensational way of thinking because it appeared to be the most reasonable explanation of the events that were occurring. It is the primary end-time position taught within much of modern Evangelical Christianity, even though all the predictions that have arisen as a result of this view have come to naught. What is the source of this teaching? How did it arise?

In 1832, Edward Irving (1792-1834) established the Catholic Apostolic Church and taught the imminent return of Jesus Christ. Irving believed there had to be a reestablishment of the 12 apostles before Jesus would return. He appointed these 12 apostles. Of course, one by one, they eventually died and Jesus never returned. John Nelson Darby, who founded the Plymouth Brethren in 1847 in England and Ireland, spearheaded the dispensational interpretation of the Bible. He was widely influenced by Edward Irving. Darby taught that Biblical history is divided into seven "dispensations" or periods of time. The final dispensation would be the 1000-year millennial reign of Christ on earth. An important key to understanding Dispensationalism is the notion that God will reestablish an earthly kingdom with the nation of Israel. For this reason, the events in Israel are of vital importance for the Premillennial Dispensationalist. Before the coming of Jesus, the temple would be rebuilt and the sacrificial system reinstated.

Because this kingdom was offered and then refused by the Jews, it would be offered again in the future. By crucifying Jesus, the Jews rejected the kingdom, but God did not reject Israel. As an after-thought or a parenthesis, Christ then went on to establish the church because Gentiles now believed what the Jews rejected. This is the "Church Age" spoken of by Dispensationalists and it must end before God can re-establish His primary work with the Jews. The church age ends with the rapture. Darby's Dispensational ideas caught on like wildfire in America, and were widely spread by the Scofield Reference Bible. Scofield, ____a layman___, having studied Biblical prophecy for 30 years, added notes to the text of Scripture promoting Darby¹s Dispensational theology. Many Christians today regard Scofield's notes as being equally inspired as the Bible itself.

Apparently, however, neither Darby nor Scofield originated the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture. Darby was inspired by **a woman** named Margaret MacDonald who reported a revelation given to her by God during a healing service in Port Glasgow, Scotland, in 1830. MacDonald reported that in her vision, there was a two-stage process to the Second Coming of Christ. The first stage, the rapture, removed the church from this world. Christians would be caught up before the great tribulation and be taken to heaven. After the tribulation, Jesus would return to earth and establish His millennial kingdom. These ideas were embraced by Darby, promoted by Scofield and developed more fully in many of the Bible schools like Moody, Fuller and especially Dallas Theological Seminary during the 20th century in the United States. Many of the more FANATICAL proponents of the premillennial view are graduates of Dallas Theological Seminary.

Bad Theology
This theological system is replete with errors.

1. The present-day nation of Israel is no more involved in God's plans for the future than is France, England, Germany, the United States, etc. The teaching of the New Testament is very clear - Jesus fulfilled everything pertaining to Israel and formed the New Israel, His church. It is an abomination to claim that the church is merely a parenthesis or an afterthought in the divine scheme of redemption. In fact, the Bible clearly states that the plans of God and the wisdom of God will be revealed in His church (Eph. 3:8-11).

2. Much of the "tribulation prophecy" in the Old Testament prophets, the Olivet discourses of our Lord Jesus, and the Book of Revelation was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. When Jesus said in Matt. 24:32-34 that "this generation will not pass away," He was not referring to some future generation that would see the political nation of Israel established by the United Nations. He was referring to the generation alive at the time He spoke the words. His words were fulfilled. In 70 A.D. Jerusalem was utterly destroyed. In fact, there is a view of Biblical prophecy called Preterism. Those who hold the view claim that all futuristic prophecy was fulfilled in the First Century.

3. The teaching of two "second comings" of Jesus is not Biblical. As the Apostles' Creed simply states, "From thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead." On the mount of Ascension the angels told the disciples that He would come again in the same way they saw Him depart into heaven. Nowhere does the Bible teach two "second comings." The language of 1 Thess. 4:17 does not allow for the "rapture" teaching. The phrase "to meet the Lord" literally means "to meet for the purpose of welcoming back." The Greek phrase "to meet" ( eis apanthsin) is only used on four occasions in the New Testament. In each case it means to go out to meet for the purpose of welcoming. (See, for example, Acts 28:15.)

Conclusion
Premillennial Dispensationalism is a deceptive teaching. Those who promote these views and fill the minds of God's people with this nonsense are perpetrating a hoax.

Jesus is coming again. This is our glorious hope. Jesus told us to be about the business of preaching and teaching His Gospel and not speculate about His second coming. Those who believe in Jesus and trust His blood and righteousness for their salvation are prepared for His coming. "Even so, come Lord Jesus!" [end of article]

MatzatHERE

16 posted on 04/15/2002 6:04:49 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: 2sheep
From Eden to Independence Hall
17 posted on 04/15/2002 6:21:15 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: 2sheep
A sad bump:

"Some prophecy scholars see America taken out by a consortium of her enemies"

Jer 50:45-46
45 Therefore hear ye the counsel of the LORD, that he hath taken against Babylon; and his purposes, that he hath purposed against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out: surely he shall make their habitation desolate with them.
46 At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations.

Rev 17:16-18
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Rev 18:23
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

18 posted on 04/15/2002 6:30:03 AM PDT by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: Matchett-PI
"Jesus told us to be about the business of preaching and teaching His Gospel and not speculate about His second coming."

Can you help me out here and give me the chapter and verse that establishes this? "Watch therefore", and the parable of the virgins and their oil lamps, and several other verses, not to mention the book of Revelation, says to me that we are suppose to speculate, watch, and understand more and more as that time comes upon the world.

19 posted on 04/15/2002 7:11:25 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Matchett-PI
You must really want this to get out, this has to be the 3rd time I've seen you post the exact same thing. hehe

Actually, in all seriousness, I agree with you. I don't particularly care for the great "apocalyptic prognosticators" that always come out of the woodwork at times like these. I think if you're a real Christian, you just keep doing what you're supposed to be doing as a Christian, which is "Love one another, and do unto others as you would have done to yourself". If you do that, you really don't have to worry about anything else.

20 posted on 04/15/2002 7:14:28 AM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: 2sheep
Thank you. And look and be watchful!
21 posted on 04/15/2002 7:33:19 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: 2sheep
How many evangelical morons said the world is coming to end at such and such date. The world would be a better place, and safer place if the weapons of mass destruction were not in the hands of the fanatics Armageddon seekers.
22 posted on 04/15/2002 7:38:53 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: 2sheep
Rom.2

3.[29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;
whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Lost Tribes of Israel
Description: British Israelism. Argues that the white English-speaking people of the US and England are the true israelites

23 posted on 04/15/2002 7:52:57 AM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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To: 2sheep; Jeremiah Jr
The Time Is Very Close!

Sefirat ha-omer, lit. the counting of the measure.

Two verses found with the phrase "seven weeks":

Deuteronomy 16:9 Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

24 posted on 04/15/2002 7:55:07 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: elwoodp;2sheep;American in Israel
I hope you all will take the time to give me your thoughts about Isa 18:1. Not only does Babylon the Harlot in Revelation sound like the USofA, but this land "Sadowing with wings" also sounds like us. While even Babylons national symbol was the eagle, as is ours, and other past nations have used the eagle as a symbol, our's is the only one is history as far as I know that has the eagle with out stretched wings. Some translations of Isa 18:1 has it as "Woe to the land shadowing with buzzing wings". And if you live near an airport, or in a air traffic pattern, even if you don't, every picnic you have ever been on, or any out door barbq, you hear the buzz of aircraft.

"Go ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, (some translations say spread out and polished), to a people terrible from their begining hitherto;(a strong people with a strong military and a history of not losing wars), (some translations has it as a people tall and smooth of skin).

A nation strong and treading down, (some have it has a nation of line and line and treading underfoot), our nation is divided into states, any map shows the line upon line and the boundires of each state, the entire country has been treaded underfoot measuring these dividing lines).

Whose land the river's divide, (some have it as "whose land the rivers despise), which means the same thing, the rivers of this nation cut and quater the nation. Our Missippi River despises the land almost in half, and many other rivers quarter us and divide the land.

My problem is, is that I don't understand the rest of it, sheesh. I am guessing that the verse says When he lifts up an ensign on the mountains, and when he blows a trumpet, hear ye. Who is blowing the trumpet and setting up an ensign? God? Or this nation that is being spoken of? When I look at the times that God blows a trumpet or set's up an ensign, he wants the world's attention on how badly He is going to destroy a place, or how much he is going to bless a place, or to put the world's attention on something. If it is the nations setting up and ensign and blowing a trumpet, then God intends for the world to listen to that nation.

I take it two ways this nation spoken of is destroyed so utterly in it's strength, it never loses a big war until the time it is destroyed and yet the last verse, after this destruction, or this nation destroys many, at the last it says, "In that time shall the present be brought unto the Lord of a hosts of a people scattered and peeled, tall and polished, terrible from their begining hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden underfoot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, the the place of the name of the Lord of hosts, the mount Zion". So I take this to mean that there are some survivors? Maybe?

I would love to have all of your views on the possibility of this being the USofA, and if it is, what does the rest of the verses mean? Such as, "I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwellingplace like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest" etc. Thank you in advance.

25 posted on 04/15/2002 8:07:09 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Zechariah 2

6 "Up, up! Flee from the land of the north," says the LORD; "for I have spread you abroad like the four winds of heaven," says the LORD. 7"Up, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon."
8For thus says the LORD of hosts: "He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye. 9For surely I will shake My hand against them, and they shall become spoil for their servants. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me.
10"Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion! For behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst," says the LORD. 11"Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you. 12And the LORD will take possession of Judah as His inheritance in the Holy Land, and will again choose Jerusalem. 13Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD, for He is aroused from His holy habitation!"


Land of the north, Russia
Daughter of Babylon = America

Outside of Israel were do most Jews (Zion) live?

Isaiah 47
Rev. 18

26 posted on 04/15/2002 9:22:49 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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To: MissAmericanPie
First fruits "Woe to the land of whirring wings" among other interpretations. I'd forgotten about this site. I'd book marked it, but haven't gotten back.
27 posted on 04/15/2002 10:41:06 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: MissAmericanPie
Sad amen bump to J.Jr in #26.   Sad because of the sorry state of the U.S. and because so few see this.

To answer your question, MissAmericanPie, there are many many references to the U.S.A. in biblical prophecy.   Stewart Best wrote a long and very comprehensive six-part series of articles on the subject "Is America Babylon?"   You can find the links to these articles on our FR home page.

28 posted on 04/15/2002 12:41:43 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: bybybill
>>didn`t this same kind of trash talk come from Germany in the 30`s? Listen to what you are saying.<<

Just out of curiousity, can you indicate which portion you consider to be "trash talk?"

29 posted on 04/15/2002 12:45:01 PM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: philosofy123
>>How many evangelical morons said the world is coming to end at such and such date.<<

One thing is certain. We are one day closer than we were yesterday.

30 posted on 04/15/2002 12:49:52 PM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: SerpentDove
I am not holding my brith. I don't want to see that crazy beast with hundred heads and hundred eyes......
31 posted on 04/15/2002 12:58:44 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Matchett-PI; Jeremiah Jr; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal; zion_ist
Keep learning!   Hint: every word in the Bible is true and if you ask, G-d will teach you there really are no contradictions.   Major hint: every prophecy concerning Israel and the people of G-d is true.   Question all preconceived notions that you learned in the Christian church, including just who G-d considers to be His church because it isn't who you think any more.  The answer is in the Word of G-d.

Yes, the pre-trib rapture doctrine is nonsense, but so is preterism.   Think: has Damascus become a ruined heap, yet? Has G-d drawn all nations against Israel to battle and destroyed their armies, with a flesh rotting disease yet?   If so, when did it take 7 months to gather the bones and bury their dead?   Has the mount of Olives been split in two yet?   There are only a few of many bible prophecies that remain to be fulfilled and today seem quite likely.

32 posted on 04/15/2002 1:02:29 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
That was meant to be a reply to Matchet and a c.c. to everyone else.  My apologies if that wasn't clear.
33 posted on 04/15/2002 1:07:22 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: elwoodp
>I am starting to think that bush jur like his panywaist father are nothing more than Jew-haters, pure and simple. In fact, I have it on very, very high authority that bush sr's factotem baker regularly referred to God's chosen people as the "f***ing Jews." (I recall in 1991,during the Gulf War, thinking to myself one day, Here I stand in the Knesset, and our own sec of state has never visited these hallowed halls.

Most Christians have been taught wrongly and believed the false doctrine known as Replacement Theology.   Briefly, they believe the Christian church replaced Israel in G-d's affection and the promises to Israel apply only to the Church.  This fatal misunderstanding is gross error that lies behind the persecution of Jews by Christians for almost 2,000 years.   This, in spite of the fact their own New Testament specifically denounces this error in Romans ch 8, 9, 10 and 11, and the first christians were all Jews.

G-d is opening the eyes of some Christians in our time, and this too is according to prophecy:

Jer 16:19 (KJV) O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Replacement theology is anti-semetic.  True Christians are not anti-semetic.  If anyone is anti-semetic, they are not a true Christian, regardless of their position in the "Church" or the world.  You know a tree by its fruit.

34 posted on 04/15/2002 1:56:24 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
On April 14th Venus was in aries(the lamb)mars and Saturn were in Taurus(messiah coming to judge the earth was in the sky over Jerusalem at Sunset,next month these 3 form a perfect equilateral triangle over Jerusalem on May5 an event that occured also 2bc

After 9-11 would come MAYDAY the Pagan festival with maypoles(phalluses) also involves the lighting of fires if you don't want to go to Jerusalem perhaps one could attend an event such as the Serpentstone festival at Dragon Hills in Georgia,a light a wicker man or straw dog.May 1-5 is the festival period.

35 posted on 04/15/2002 4:09:37 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: American in Israel; Prodigal Daughter
>Funny a guy that is a "Christian" Leader of his Nation would not know that. Must not have a Bible.

The original plan was to have Bush sworn in on the Masonic Bible.  Imagine what that means!

The American gospel of the Church on the Broad Way is perverted in that it teaches that to be a Christian and "be saved" that one just has to "believe."  The false teachers and false prophets who sell their wares for filthy lucre's sake have denigrated repentance which is a requirement for G-d even hearing a person, and not taught that to follow the L-rd means that one has to continue in the Word and not in sin. They follow men and the philosophies of men, such as the Pope, Luther (Click here #37), Calvin, and Lindsay, instead of the L-rd.  Too many think they don't have to continue and there is no race to run because "Jesus did it all," they don't have to do anything and that they therefore have arrived.  Hence they have believed Jezebel, glorified man, are gods in their own eyes and act as though their god who is all goodness (and in whom there is no severity, so they say) is going to come down and kiss their perVersions and hold their hands and perhaps loves them too much to let them suffer.  They also vote in wishy washy, middle of the road politicians who stand for nothing and fall for anything.  The wicked man -- Psalm 10:6 He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.

But you know all of this...

36 posted on 04/15/2002 5:30:25 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep, dixie sass,47carollann,chesty puller,antivenom,bigun,smallstuff,pocat,sunshine,jd792,sta
BUMPS
37 posted on 04/15/2002 5:38:03 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: It'salmosttolate; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter
> British Israelism.

The essence of British Israelism is Replacement Theology which in practice is anti-semetic.  While descendants of lost tribes may be in America and elsewhere (in many instances only G-d knows who they are), G-d has an everlasting covenant with the Jews and didn't cut them off nor will he replace them.  Too many Christians apply "everlasting" to their own promises, while failing to meet the conditions, and at the same time deny "everlasting" applies to Israel.

38 posted on 04/15/2002 5:39:51 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr
>...the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.

Interesting how the hammer and sickle is the same crescent shape throughout history, is the crescent in which the the U.N. logo resides and is on the flags of Muslim and Communists nations throughout the world.  Sickle indeed! 

39 posted on 04/15/2002 5:43:39 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: MissAmericanPie; the-ironically-named-proverbs2
America is the endtimes Babylon of Jer 50-51 utterly destroyed by her enemies as judgment by G-d.  It is also endtime Sodom and has sisters: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa.  Great Britain may be her mother, the lion from whom the eagles wings are plucked.  When America is hit, it is likely the U.N.godly luciferians will take over and unleash the rest of the hosts of hell upon the earth.  Doesn't look like there is any safe place except standing on the rock (spiritually) and hearing the L-rd enough to move (physically) when He says move.  Lot moved.  His sons-in-law didn't.  See, The Biblical Command to Flee.  Where?  Ask Him.  His sheep hear his voice.

Important prophecies re principles of prophecy:

Stanley Frodsham (1965) The Coming Deception
Revelation given to Nicolai re the Strait Gate
Vision of the Sword and the Serpent
Vision of the Acid Cloud  - 1994

Important prophecies about America:

A.C. Valdez (1929)
A.A. Allen (1954)
Zelma Kirkpatrick (1954)
Henry Gruver (1986)
Dimitru Duduman
Henry Gruver, I saw Russians Attack the USA

Dream of the Capturing of Many Women - 1997 -- re Muslims
Scott Hofstee - Sept. 3, 2001 (prophesied people jumping to their death just before the towers fell)
Scott Hofstee in 2001
Last Trumpet - August 2001 (saw vision of NY island on fire before WTC fell)
Bob Neumann: The Dark Winter
Bob Neumann: The Alarm was Sounded
Jerry Golden: Vision of 10-06-01

Jonathan Hansen, known for his accuracy, said here that unless America repents, it will soon see 1,000 times the death toll of WTC, and ultimately millions.  Go here for current and Archived Broadcasts.

David Wilkerson:  "The Towers Have Fallen, but We Missed the Message" htmlplain textReal Audio Windows streaming audioIf the Real Audio is busy

Stewart Best:  Teaching (doesn't claim to be a prophet).    This is the six part teaching series by Stewart Best.  It discusses whether America is Mystery Babylon described in Jer. 50 & 51, Is. 13, Ezek. 38, Rev. 17 & 18 and other scriptures and if so the consequences.  It is very complete.  If you are short of time, start with Part 5:  Part 1, - Part 2, - Part 3, - Part 4, - Part 5 (start here),Part 6.

40 posted on 04/15/2002 6:26:35 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
"The Sovereign State of Israel says they will not negotiate with this devil Yasser Arafat. Our Prime Minister has declared him irreverent."

Yeah. And he's irrelevant, too...

41 posted on 04/15/2002 6:34:07 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01
LOL!  I corrected the obvious typos or errors.  I noticed what you saw but didn't change it because I didn't know what was actually said.  English may be Jerry's second language, after Hebrew.  I'm not sure.
42 posted on 04/15/2002 6:48:00 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: MissAmericanPie;2Sheep
A friend at FR asked me to comment on your Isaiah 18 post.
The foundation for 18 is Cush..which in Isaiahs day was the 'Ethiopian 25th dynasty'..King Tirhakah.
This Dynasty ruled Egypt and Ethiopia..and was a Juggernaut.
Ethiopian armies served in other Egyptian Armies..most notably the army of 'Shishak'..that sacked Jerusalem.
'Cush' is mentioned in Ezekiel chap 38..the battle with Gog.
Isaiah 18 vs 1 ..Land of whirring wings..which sends envoys by the sea..in papyrus boats..over the water.
Prophecy carries the value of duality..what was spoken in the time of the prophet can happen again,or be a marker to a future scenario..but here one must be very carefull to say this is such and such.
The Apostle Paul.. Rav Shaul said we see through a glass dimly..meaning we percieve vaugely.
Certainly the U.S. is the world leader in aviation...Her diplomatic history is replete with overnight Envoy activity to any spot on the globe..so ya..the Envoy over water theme.
Papyrus is an interesting conotation..as reeds made boat hulls..but also paper a very thin and fragile medium for the time.
If the Prophet saw a modern jet liner..and noted its thin fuselage..he might have equated it to Papyrus of his time.
Some comment that scripture is strangely silent concerning America...Yes...but only just now..soon events will unfold..and the picture will be defined more clearly.
Since the early 80's in my life the theme of a one world system with global power has emerged..many have tried to attach scripture to America here..some have only framed Papal Rome..others just Iraq[Babylon].
My Spirit has allways witnessed the realm of "Principalities and powers"..litterly the Demonic.
The scriptures clearly reveal the 'Wrath to come'..upon all...all who take the mark of the beast.
Here is where America is too be seen.
Henry Kissinger brought and initiated many of the forms which are the foundation to the beast system..[No Kissinger is not the A.C.]..These foundations were implimented in Australia and Newzealand decades ago..seeing that both are isolated Islands,where business is done first globally each day..and are socialist..meaning adapted forms are not readily rebelled against..it began.
The Bar code /economic identsystem.
The national I.D Card.
The Debit card.
The MESH BLOCK..satillite location grid system.

Here the bugs were worked out on tracking an individuals spending and transit movement...
The system is inplace in America..Applied to Americas economy instages..with Federal law written to.
Now Subcutinous implants are available...soon a national I.D. system with a computer chip.
So yes..America is very much part of the mark of the beast system..and will recieve the Judgements listed in the Revelation of Jesus[Yeshua].
Some of us will escape by Divine will..others will become the Saints whose blood cries out before the throne for Righteous Judgement by our Lord.
"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it..but whoever loses his life for My sake..will save it unto life Eternal"

43 posted on 04/16/2002 1:14:19 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed
Thanks so much for your thoughtful response. It does make alot of sense, I just don't like the idea of us being part of the Beast System. I guess I need to quit fighting the notion and just accept it.
44 posted on 04/16/2002 1:54:37 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: 2sheep
make no mistake about it, Bush and Powell will bring... What kind of talk is this? Is this guy asking God to punish the American people, because Bush and Powell are working hard trying to bring peace to the Jews, and the Palestinians?
45 posted on 04/16/2002 2:53:24 PM PDT by desertcry
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To: desertcry; Light Speed; Prodigal Daughter; Governor StrangeReno; Nix 2
>What kind of talk is this? Is this guy asking God to punish the American people, because Bush and Powell are working hard trying to bring peace to the Jews, and the Palestinians?

Prophetic talk.  He's simply quoting the Bible position on Israel.  He is referring to Bush and Powell abandoning a brother or those in need, on siding against Israel with her enemies and about not going after strange gods (Allah) by inviting their priests to dinner, and about Bush and Powell exalting themselves above G-d to make peace with liars and murderers when the Bible clearly says there will be none.  Bush and Powell are bringing judgment on their own heads and anyone standing with them and the author above is merely reporting on events.  They obviously believe they can serve two masters when Jesus said that you cannot.

Ex 23:32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.

46 posted on 04/16/2002 6:11:32 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Bush, and Powell abandoning a brother........ This is total nonsense. Bush, and Powell are trying very hard to save the State of Israel from total destruction. Right now the sentiment of the whole world(except the USA) is against Israel in this conflect. If you don't believe this, then there is no point in continuing our discussion. BTW, I'm a strong supporter of the State of Israel, the last thing I want to see is further suffering of the Jewish People. They have suffered enough!
47 posted on 04/16/2002 7:15:58 PM PDT by desertcry
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To: bybybill
What?
48 posted on 04/16/2002 7:22:06 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: elwoodp
I am so sorry you would feel this way. I do know that recent tapes reveal that Richard Nixon made some remarks about Jews, however, I doubt the story you are talking about.
49 posted on 04/16/2002 7:25:18 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: 2sheep;Clovis_Skeptic
Thank you for posting this, it is very thought provoking to say the least. Unfortunately it does bring forth those here who have hatred for the Jews, but that is becoming an everyday occurance in the FR.
50 posted on 04/16/2002 7:27:02 PM PDT by ladyinred
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