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Secularization as part of the Current World Order and Islam
Islam Online ^ | April 15, 2002 | Dr. Siraj Islam Mufti

Posted on 04/15/2002 6:06:27 PM PDT by swarthyguy

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To: browardchad
Another thing. What I'm proposing is to bring Quran and other Islamic texts in line with the Bible wrt the rights of nonbelievers. Until we accomplish that, Islam will always be behind the religious curve regardless of how many millennia we wait, and stripping the evilness from the Quran is a process that can be started tomorrow, if we gave a damn.
21 posted on 04/15/2002 8:00:03 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: browardchad
You're right. It'd be an almost unprecedented undertaking. But, I guess my point is, that it would be a way with effectively dealing with the situation.

I guess I was brought to this line of thought by reading how Ataturk pretty well tamed Islam in a few years in Turkey using similar techniques.

22 posted on 04/15/2002 8:04:47 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: Post Toasties
erratum: ...way of dealing.... I'm typing too fast.
23 posted on 04/15/2002 8:05:45 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: swarthyguy
The problem is that secularism is a purely Western construct, developed in the particular European environment in response to Church excesses and the ensuing antagonism it produced...

Whereas, Islam which never has any excesses and is a religion of peace, has done nothing to provoke any antagonism. Infidels are antagonistic because that is a characteristic of infidels. You know what infidels are like dontcha?

NOT!

24 posted on 04/15/2002 8:07:15 PM PDT by Salman
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To: expatriot
What of the Islam adherant in the west? The argument supposes that the religion of Islam cannot be practiced in the USA? Secularism allows that Islam be practiced.

Of course, Islam can be practiced in the US using the approach I described. I'm basically saying that the part of Islam which causes Islam to be excessively prone to violence and discrimination to non Muslims be defined as not part of Islam, and discarded from the religion by law.

Basically, my approach is that no religion can act as a cover for criminal behavior or insurrection. It's just a matter of degree as compared to allowing 'religious' human sacrifice, sex with animals, cannibalism, etc. Are we saying we're not secular because we don't allow the religious practice of these criminal behaviors? Then why should we give Islam a free hand to plot mischief under the guise of 'religion'?

27 posted on 04/15/2002 8:53:03 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: Post Toasties
If laws (in the US and elsewhere) were passed which defined any such passages (in whatever religion's books) as being not religious or divinely inspired teachings by nature of their inherent injustice to others, only versions of the Quran and other religious texts with those passages expunged could be allowed to be used for any religious or teaching purpose, and the use of texts which include the inciteful passages could result in criminal prosecution and closing of mosques and schools which refuse to comply with the law.

Incitement to violence, perhaps ?

I'm glad someone has thought of a way to address this. I've been torn between the idea of freedom of religion and the sense that Islam doesn' t seem to have a place in a democratic, freedom -loving society such ours. I have been truly concerned about the influx of Muslims to this country because of the totalitarian worldview which this religion seems to espouse. As many westerners who have lived in Dar es Sallam (the land of Islam) have said, as long as muslims are in the minority, they will present the "Islam is peace" face to the world. But, because of the totalitarian spirit of their worldview,i.e., that it encompasses everything, I have a difficult time seeing how it could be the majority religion of a society and not be a constraint on the freedom of non-believers at minimum.

Your suggestion about expunging parts of their scriptures or teachings, while extreme, call to mind the requirements imposed on settlers of Utah, who, when they wanted to join the Union as a state, were requred to prohibit polygamy as a legal right. I don't know if it was expunged within the LDS teachings, but it is not permissable (legally) in Utah.

All I know is, I do not want the kind of Muslim influence here (heavily financed and politically oriented to a foreign end) as is seen in Europe, especially with imams who plead innocence as to the "political" nature of their mosque.

29 posted on 04/15/2002 10:51:35 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: 4ourprogeny
I agree with the sentiments with the following modifier: Radical Islam is an insane death cult, moderate islam in America is a true 5th column and virtually all the mosques in America are Trojan Horses.
31 posted on 04/16/2002 9:22:06 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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Indexin'.
32 posted on 04/16/2002 9:31:39 AM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: Post Toasties
Sorry about that; i clicked on it thru FR and it went straight to the article.....
33 posted on 04/16/2002 10:17:31 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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