Skip to comments.The Parishioners Speak out in Dallas
Posted on 04/15/2002 8:31:13 PM PDT by Slyfox
I attended the protest at my church, St. Thomas Aquinas Church in Dallas, TX, where our pastor, Fr. Stephen Bierschenk, was relieved of his duty on a trumped up charge of non-compliance with the diocesean "no tolerance" policy intended to weed out child abusers.
Fr. Bierschenk was given one month to come into full compliance, and as of today, well within the one month deadline, every background check has been completed. Being unjustly fired from his post at our church and after the urging of parish leaders and a multitude of the faithful, he has decided to take his case to Rome,
Fr. Bierschenk has a strong case. Two other priests in the Dallas diocese in the last two years, who were also inappropriately treated, have taken their cases to Rome and have won. According to Canon Law, a priest may not be removed from his post during his appeal.
During the Confirmation service tonight, with the bishop in attendance, every young person being confirmed took the name of Stephen as their Confirmation name. At the end of the service, as the altar servers and priests and the deacon came down from the altar to exit the church, the bishop took the side entrance so he wouldn't have to face the multitude and EDBCmedia outside.
Not at all. Are you? If you are not senile, you certainly are rude, crotchety, disorganized, and opinionated. You started an argument with me over a post that was directed to someone else quoting yourself and taking exception as if they were my words. Enough! Be gone! I have nothing more to write to such a rude person who CHOOSES to MISUNDERSTAND and TWIST the written word.
every young person being confirmed took the name of Stephen as their Confirmation name.
How childish, if true.
Young people being childish?!?! How DARE they! Why, they'll just ruin that solemn ritual with a quiet symbolic show of support for someone they care about. Why, the next thing you know, they'll be making macaroni crafts during Sunday School that have "Mommy" and "Daddy" shamefully emblazoned on them! They might even wear a Breast Cancer ribbon on their lapel, or *gasp!* a gold cross around their necks! The horrors! /sarcasm>
Sinkspur, if Christians can't quietly stand up against a wrong with a quiet symbolic display of support, then why bother having a religion at all? If it's not about righteousness, morality, and mutual support during our journey towards Heaven, then just what IS religion to you?
They sound incredibly sweet. RM, can you please detail for me how this is an abuse of the Confirmation sacrament? Are the children not allowed to choose their own names? Is there a rule about using the same name as someone else? I'm uninformed at the moment.
Unlike most of the other posters on this thread, I'm not ready to give up on the Church. As a protestant convert myself, I know that the successful schismatic movements were led by the conservatives of the era, not the liberals. Martin Luther and most of the reformers weren't out to destroy the church, they were attempting to save it. They were seeking the same "preservation and re-establishment of the truth of the Church" that the posters here are. The problem is that in so doing, they end up discarding so much of the good with the bad. The movements they start then ultimately attempt to destroy the Church. The Church's greatest enemies have all come from within Her with the intent of ridding Her of those they deem to be corrupt. Regardless of their intent, these posters are following the same path and all attempts should be made to correct them.
It's takes much less faith to fight on our own without God than to lay down our anger and put all our faith in Him. It's so easy to fall into despair when we see what these liberals have done, but it should never allow us to doubt that Christ will defend His Bride (even in the America). Nothing can justify actions which harm our own Church. Christ Himself gave us his sacrifice at Calvary as an example of the faith we should show in the midst of this kind of hopelessness.
See post #71 (and possibly posts #68 and #79). Each and every sacrament is an action conducted directly by God and so they shouldn't be used to undermine His Church in protesting a bishop's legitimate authority. Based on my experience with similar posters on this thread, I doubt that I will be able to adequately explain this matter of faith.
This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with a priest lying to his bishop and arrogantly thinking a diocesan policy doesn't appy to him.
Go HERE to get the latest information. The parishioners' allegiances are misplaced.
The parishoners allegiances may be misplaced, I don't know (again, I'm TOTALLY out of the loop on this one), but I was a bit put-off by the idea that some kids doing something sweet for a priest they like would be called names.
Parents were using these eighth-graders to stick a thumb in the bishop's eye. And, eighth-graders being eighth-graders, they were happy to oblige.
To me, the kids were saying, "We love you, even enough to take your name (Stephen), and we support you no matter what the leadership might say." I don't see how this exhibits a diminishment of joy... it seems to be an increased degree of brotherhood and love, not less. I understand that the bishop in question may not have been glorified by their expression of love for their priest, but I hardly think that negates the meaning of the ceremony or the expression of support. (Is the ceremony performed by the priest, or the bishop? I guess that would make a difference in determining whether it was a show of support or a swipe at the bishop.)
When I try to see the core message in those posts, the most consistent message that I can find is that the church leadership comes first, and total obedience is required. When a priest is removed, are the parishoners to disavow or hide all of their feelings, positive thoughts, and friendship with him? That seems to be what you are requiring of those children. Again, I'm an outsider, so I can only report what it looks like from 'out here'.
OCTOBER 13, 1973
"My dear daughter, listen well to what I have to say to you. You will inform your superior."
After a short silence:
"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests."
"The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops.
THE PRIESTS WHO VENERATE ME WILL BE SCORNED AND OPPOSED BY THEIR CONFERES...
churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
"The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them"
"With courage, speak to your superior. He will know how to encourage each one of you to pray and to accomplish works of reparation."
"It is Bishop Ito, who directs your community."
And She smiled and then said:
"You have still something to ask? Today is the last time that I will speak to you in living voice. From now on you will obey the one sent to you and your superior."
"Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able still to save you from the calamites which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved."
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