Saudi cleric says peace not possible with Israel (Jews must be terminated)

Reuters ^ | 4/19/2002 | Reuters

[l33t]

Saudi cleric says peace not possible with Israel

    By Inal Ersan 
    DUBAI, April 19 (Reuters) - A top Saudi Arabian Muslim 
cleric prayed to God on Friday to "terminate" the Jews and urged 
Arabs and Muslims to abandon efforts to make peace with Israel. 
    "We must say farewell to peace initiatives with these people 
(Jews)," Sheikh Abdul-Rahman al-Sudais told worshippers at the 
Grand Mosque in Mecca, Islam's holiest shrine, in a sermon, 
carried live by several Arabic television and radio networks. 
    He prayed to God to "terminate" the Jews, whom he described 
as "the scum of humanity... the rats of the world... prophet 
killers... pigs and monkeys". 
    The sermon by Sudais, one of the top imams at the Grand 
Mosque, was unusually fiery in a country largely seen to follow 
moderate foreign policy and to be a close ally of the United 
States and other Western countries. 
    Arab anger has been on the rise since Israel launched its 
military offensive on the West Bank two weeks ago at a time when 
Arab nations adopted a Saudi proposal for peace with the Jewish 
state. 
    The Saudi government is closely interlocked with the 
powerful religious establishment, but religious sermons do not 
necessarily reflect official government thinking. 
    Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter, has been 
increasingly critical of the United States and its apparent 
failure to bring about a ceasefire in the Middle East. 
    It has recently allowed pro-Palestinian demonstrations to 
absorb popular anger in a country where other street rallies are 
banned. 
         UGLY WAR 
    Sudais, who ranks high in the Saudi religious heirarchy 
which allows only senior clerics to preach at the Grand Mosque, 
said Israel was carrying out an war of "ugly annihilation" 
against the Palestinians. 
    "When the (Muslim) nation opted for peace to achieve its 
greater interests they (Jews) did not reciprocate," he said. 
    Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah is due to visit the United 
States next week to discuss the conflict and the peace offer 
with U.S. President George W. Bush -- seen by many Arabs and 
Muslims as biased in favour of Israel. 
    "World leaders, you who claim to be fighting terrorism, what 
do you call what those people did to Palestinians?" asked 
Sudais. "Are the aspirations of a billion Muslims to safeguard 
their sanctities considered terrorism?" he added. 
    "They (Jews) want to establish a greater Israel with 
Jerusalem as its capital and they aspire to tear down the 
al-Aqsa mosque (Islam's third holiest shrine) to build their 
so-called temple on its ruins," he said. 
    He urged Muslim leaders to "rescue Palestine before it is 
lost." 
 ((Gulf newsroom +971 4 391 8301, fax +971 4 391 8335, 
dubai.newsroom@reuters.com)) 

19 APR 2002 15:06:55 Saudi cleric says peace not possible with Israel

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[MHGinTN]

Ahh, Islamism, the peaceful religion. NOT!

[thinktwice]

The fact here is that all religions are subject to the same flaw that is today visible within Islam -- all of them claim absolute knowledge and authority in matters involving faith and morals, and all of them are wrong.

[crystalk]

THE HOUSE OF SAUD

We don't need this house no longer,

We don't need this house no more

No time to fix its windows, ain't got time for roof or floor,

To mend its fallen plaster, or to wash its filthy grates...

Not gonna need this house no longer,

ITS a gettin ready, to meet Hell's gates.

[crystalk]

Make that 4000! Latest scholarship puts the birth of Ishmael at 2136 BC, and his misbegotten conception 9 months prior to that!

[F16Fighter]

Ok, ok -- give or take 1000 years ;-)

[nravoter]

The fact here is that all religions are subject to the same flaw that is today visible within Islam -- all of them claim absolute knowledge and authority in matters involving faith and morals, and all of them are wrong.

Yeah, I can't tell you how many Jews, Catholics, Baptists, Buddhists, and Hindus I've seen running around screaming for a Jihad against their neighbors in recent years. You're right--they're all equally bad--no difference between Muslims and any of the rest of them, nope! Religion of peace!^TM

[LarryLied]

Ok, ok -- give or take 1000 years ;-)

What's a thousand years when you are having fun killing your neighbors?

[AmerRepb]

He prayed to God to "terminate" the Jews, whom he described as "the scum of humanity... the rats of the world... prophet killers... pigs and monkeys".

Taken directly from the Koran. Islumsuksomuch..Chapter 11 same old verse and song. And they probably have to move all their ammunition and rifles around in their Mosques so they can find a place to kneel and pray to their moon god.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

Well, at least he is being honest and open. So was Hitler. In fact, read Mein Kampf alongside this rant, and they will sound remarkably alike.

[gg188]

It's bizarre that the New York Times and its ilk have always been critical of Saudi Arabia because they connect it with Big Oil, and with conservativism, and all that bad stuff. But as soon as the Saudis really started acting like Hitler, the media clam up. I don't expect to read about this sermon in the mainstream press anytime soon. Typically the newswires carry this for an hour or two, and if you miss it, it's gone. If it weren't for FreeRepublic a lot of this stuff would never be seen at all.

The whole thing's so full of ironies...

Imagine if a nation friendly to the U.S. (like the Saudis) were calling a nation of BLACK people, "pigs and monkeys..."...the anger and righteous indignation among American liberals would know no end. And imagine if this bunch that had called the black folk "pigs and monkeys" had just crushed 3000 of the blacks 'neath 60 tons of rubble? Can you just imagine? A black "Sharon"---a black leader retaliating like Sharon is on behalf of Israel---would be hailed as the new Mandela, MLK and Desmond Tutu combined.

But if it is the JEWS who are called "pigs and monkeys," and if it is the JEWS who are defending themselves from the sand Nazis slaughtering the equivalent of a 9/11 massacre EVERY DAY---then, according to the new-anti-semites of the American Left (who are really the OLD anti-semites of the European left)---it's AOK!

I'm a baby boomer, son of the greatest generation who got behind Ronald Reagan in '63 and '64 and carried him into the White House in '80. Conservatives supported Isreal then, unequivacably. Duh. A no brainer. God gave them that land. They are our ally, they share our values and our culture. They are on our side against the commies and against the pagan mohams, palis and other moon worshipping heathuns who are on a now-14-century old jihad to kill or enslave all Christians and Jews and end civlization and replace it with a 6th century heathen feudal society.

But NOW, after 40 years of NEA education in public schools and in American colleges and universities, you have people actually getting on FREE REPUBLIC using the names ARAFAT and SHARON in the same sentence---with that "they're both the same, equally guilty, the 'cycle of violence' yadayadayada", honestly not understanding the difference---Americans, FREEPERS for goodness sake, too STUPID and too uneducated to know or understand history or politics. Amazing. Instead, they buy into the moral-equivalence NPR-PBS-CNN-NBC-BSBSBS that passes for the conventional wisdom in most places in the USA.

Summarizing, if someone called a nation of BLACK people "pigs and monkeys" the way the Saudis have called a nation of JEWS "pigs and monkeys," the din of protestations would reach heaven itself, and there would be massive marches on Washington calling for boycotts of the offending nations even if it meant STARVING ourselves of WHATEVER we might deprive ourselves of purchasing from that nations. Dare I say there'd even be calls for---using the case of Isreal as an example---Sharon to go in and extinguish this ugly flame of hatred before it spread futher and engulfed the world with people who so racially viewed an entire people as "pigs and monkeys" despite decades of enlightened global racial attitude adjustment.

[Centurion2000]

Another deluded demon worshipper steps that much closer to the hellfires.

Someone needs to point something out to these retards. Israel and the US have the nukes. I don't see any in the hands of the Arabs

[Michael2001]

I like the fact that they're not hiding their views any more. Now if only we could get the "mainstream" media to cover this.

[Joe Boucher]

You all had better come to the realization that these muslims are fanatics. They want a world of only muslims and nothing else. They are teaching that their job on earth and their key to entry to heaven is to kill anything not muslim. Great religion. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets alright.

[Rome2000]

in a country largely seen to follow moderate foreign policy and to be a close ally of the United States and other Western countries.

Reuters still doesn't get it, Saudi Arabia is no different that Iraq.

These people are Nazis without the nice uniforms.

A "people" who allow that kind of garbage to spew from the mouth of their clergy in the "holiest" place in their "religion" should be prepared for the consequences.

Islam is a heresy and it's followers subhuman barbarians.

It will either reform quickly or face the wrath of the civilized world (except for France).

[Quix]

I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THE BEGINNING OF THE FALL OF SAUDIA ARABIA.

To help the effort along, I have begun to pray that God will disintegrate the black stone in Mecca--not just to rubble but to powder--and then send a fierce storm to blow the powder to the four winds

AND THEN

to simulstaneously disintegrade into rubble by quake the most important mosques in Mecca, Minda, Jerusalem, Egypt, Indonesia, Maylasia, Afghanastan and India.

PERHAPS YOU'D ENJOY JOINING ME IN SUCH A PRAYER AS OFTEN AS YOU THINK OF IT.

God has reportedly told some brothers that He is going to bring about some Saul type conversions to Paul among the enemies of the faith. I believe we need to invest our prayers also in that direction. . . I'm adding the prayer that some of it occur on international TV from before, thru during and after the conversion experience.

God has more cards than satan folks. He honors us by make us and our prayers such key parts of the equation. What a game, what a riot, what a life, what a drama, what an era to be alive in. I think we need to sound more like the 800 lb canary rather than whimpering puppy dogs.

[Quix]

shameless bump

[thinktwice]

The fact here is that all religions are subject to the same flaw that is today visible within Islam -- all of them claim absolute knowledge and authority in matters involving faith and morals, and all of them are wrong.

There are numerous nuts present within religions (and political parties), and when some nut attains life and death power over people, it happens.

[My Identity]

From the Palestinian Violence video:

"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are.
Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.
Wherever you are, kill the Jews, the Americans who are like them, and those who stand by them.
They are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims.
They should be slaughtered. They should be murdered.
Such is the word of Allah."
- an Islamic mufti, broadcast on Pali TV

So...
Muslim "True Believers" see the Arab-Israeli conflict as religious.
Therefore, any compromise with the Israelis is a heresey.
Therefore, any "peace process" that requires compromise is heresey.
Therefore, only complete surrender or complete victory will bring peace.

So far, the US has not let the Israelis obtain complete victory.
Therefore, Israel's only options are surrender or death.
And if Israel goes, the US is next on the islamists' list.
Or as they famously put it: "After Saturday comes Sunday".

If anyone can explain how Islam isn't the issue here, I would be eager to listen.
If anyone can explain how this isn't a clash of civilizations, please post away.

"But this thing won’t end, won’t die out with the death of Osama Bin Laden. Because there are tens of thousands of Osama Bin Ladens by now, and they’re not only in Afghanistan or in other Arabic countries. They’re everywhere, and the most hardened ones are right in the Western world. In our cities, on our roads, in our universities, in the ganglions of technology. That technology that any dolt can handle. The Crusade has been in progress for some time. It works like a Swiss watch, sustained by a faith and a malice comparable only to the faith and malice of Torquemada when he led the Inquisition. The fact is that dealing with them is impossible. Reasoning? Unthinkable! Treating them with indulgence, tolerance or hope? Suicide! Whoever thinks differently is deluded."

Anger and Pride
by Oriana Fallaci

[is_is]

rescue Palestine before it is lost."

he needs to go back to history 101. The Romans named the Jew's land, palestine, to piss them off.....even if you call it palestine....it still belongs to the jews.....that's without even getting into the religous end of it......

[l33t]

Roman name Palestine refers to Philistines who lived in what is now Gaza area. Methinks that if the Palestinians keep this up they will end up with the Gaza/Philistinia craphole.