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Le Pen triumph spreads fear among France's Jews
Reuters ^ | 4/22/02 | Emelia Sithole and Glaieul Mamaghani

Posted on 04/22/2002 7:06:36 AM PDT by truthandlife

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To: Pinlighter
If they are for it, they have a resonsibility to defend and protect it, not to undermine it.

Well, they didnt vote for Jospin , did they? And if you think LePen is the "answer", then you don't know much about French "stuff". A Chirac Presidency without a Socialist Prime Minister will do a much better job of protecting the borders and keeping the peace, then that demagogue LePen... But, having said that, he's done a nice job knocking off Jospin, and many of us are thankful to him for that.

41 posted on 04/22/2002 12:23:32 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: truthandlife
a dangerous sign of French intolerance of minorities.

The ONLY "minority" in France who should be scared of Le Pen is the Arabs. Jews have nothing to fear, but they love the Marxist climate there. Why would Israelis want such left-wing skunks among them. Wasn't Rabin, Barak, Beilin and Sarid enough?

42 posted on 04/22/2002 2:02:37 PM PDT by montag813
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To: truthandlife
"Tonight, on the left but not only on the left, many people are simply crying. This is not the France we love."

Could these people get any more sappily melodramatic. Sheesh....get a life! Also, note that she corrected herself with, "..but not only on the left."

43 posted on 04/22/2002 2:13:08 PM PDT by PLK
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To: rmlew
I don't think the Jews that now live in France are the same ones that were there for 1600 years. Most of them were killed in the Holocaust. Someone explained on an earlier thread that the 600,000 Jews now in France previously dwelled in the Arab world, were expelled after 1948, and decided to settle in France. Also, a lot of them came from Algeria after the Muslims took over and booted the French out in 1962.
45 posted on 04/22/2002 3:53:37 PM PDT by Edmund Burke
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To: Nonstatist
You seem to know something about French politics. What % of the vote do you think LePen will get? Will the voters from other right-wing parties vote for him? If so, which ones? Will the socialists and communists stay away from the polls or will they actually vote for Chirac?
46 posted on 04/22/2002 3:58:04 PM PDT by Edmund Burke
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To: Radicalgranny
Be wary of those who call themselves Jews but are not.
47 posted on 04/22/2002 3:58:09 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: SauronOfMordor
While the Holocaust was a big event to the Jewish community, the numbers are small compared to the slaughters committed by Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

Yes. That is what Le Pen should explain, but in a manner that recognizes the Holocaust.

I do think that there is a difference between Genocide and what the communists other thatn Stalin did. (Stalin did commit genocide. Ask the Checens, Kalmyks, Volga Germans, and Crimean Tatars.

48 posted on 04/22/2002 3:58:45 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Nonstatist
I don't know much about French politics. Can you explain the powers of the President? Does he appoint the Prime Minister and other ministers? Is he merely a figurehead? Does he run the executive branch of government? What does the Prime Minister do? I know how the British government works, but this is a mystery to me. Thanks.
49 posted on 04/22/2002 4:02:32 PM PDT by Edmund Burke
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To: Willie Green
It is rather ironic that the anti-semitism smear is being used to facilitate increased Muslim emigration to Europe. I would think that the French Jewish community would be supportive of Le Pen, lest their numbers be overwhelmed by Palestinian sympathizers.

I suspect that many are. The fact that a major news service can find four or five people to quote, to prove their particular bias, does not make a convincing point.

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50 posted on 04/22/2002 4:03:54 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Edmund Burke
I don't think the Jews that now live in France are the same ones that were there for 1600 years. Most of them were killed in the Holocaust. Someone explained on an earlier thread that the 600,000 Jews now in France previously dwelled in the Arab world, were expelled after 1948, and decided to settle in France. Also, a lot of them came from Algeria after the Muslims took over and booted the French out in 1962.

Jews who settled Gaul under Rome formed major communities in two areas the Rhineland and the Mediterranian.

Most Ashkenazi Jews are decended from those Jews who settled in the Rhineland. These communities were dispersed in 1097 when Knights and peasants on the way to free Jerusalem from the Saracens decided to kill all nono-Christians. Most of these Jews fled to Eastern Europe, especially Poland. Some Jews remained in Spain until the reign of Phillip 2.
Starting in the 15th century, some Jews, most of whose ancestors came from the French Rhineland, returned to France. Many more Jews came to france in the 19th century.

The Jews of the Mediterranian coast had a different history. They named the area Sepharad. The times of trouble for them came with the Gothic invasions. After the fall of Rome the Gothic rulers tended to be anti-Israel adn Jews where periodically expeelled or forced to convert. The later Muslim invader, on the other hand, tended to be far more tolerant. After Poitiers, many French Jews ran from the oppression of the Carolinians into Al-Andlus. Many French Jews expelled by Phillip II also settled Spain.
As the Spanish retook Spain, they began to institute anti-Jewish policies, culminating in the expulsion in 1492.
Many Sephardic Jews settled North Africa.

Thus in a strange way, the Algerian Jews who went to France only returned.

This is why I argued that Jews have been part of French history for so long.

51 posted on 04/22/2002 4:16:37 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Those who attacked synagogues and cemetries are the ones who hate Le Pen or support Le Pen ?

The world is getting topsy-turvy. The liberals who used to favor the Jews now favor the Muslims and don't mind if the synagogues are bombed. Until someone might come along and get rid of the Muslims, which should help the Jews, but now the liberals are suddenly very concerned with the fate of the Jews again. It seems it's okay for Muslims to kill Jews but not for non-Muslims to kill them in the minds of liberals. The liberals use "far-right extremist" to describe anyone who isn't a Communist so it's hard to know when they aren't crying wolf with that term.

52 posted on 04/22/2002 4:26:14 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Re #52

The case of convoluted victimology, in my opinion. Jews were victims. But muslims were victims, too. Two groups hate each other. Now which side you will take ? Victim hierarchy is not neatly linear.

53 posted on 04/22/2002 6:17:17 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I think it's race. Browner Arab Nazis = OKAY, Whiter European Nazis = NOT OKAY. On Hitler's birthday, the leftists in the US thought they were very chic marching to show their solidarity with extreme Jew hating Palestinians in our Capitol but now they're doing a turn-around ----very inconsistent.
54 posted on 04/22/2002 6:43:35 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Edmund Burke
In France , The president has power of appointment of the prime minister, the executive ministers, high civil servants, and judges. The president presides over the council of ministers, is the commander in chief of the armed forces, and has power to dissolve the national assembly. But all the laws are passed by the parliament , which pretty much selects the prime minister

So, the President can call new elections and fire the PM, but he cant veto laws directly. He can threaten, but they can call his bluff, etc

Thats why Chirac has less power with a split gov't, as does Jospin who is currently PM. Economically, France has done pretty well the last 5 yrs, but crime has skyrocketted, and Jospin's party has no answer for that. The right and right of center are just under half the electorate, but at least half of those (r of c) will go with Chirac . Of the left, only maybe some of the union militant types will go with LePen. Most of the Left will vote and vote against him; theyre hysterical about LePen..My guess is he gets 25, maybe 30 % tops

55 posted on 04/23/2002 7:15:46 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: rmlew
Thank you for the excellent historical explaination.
56 posted on 04/23/2002 5:47:02 PM PDT by Edmund Burke
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