Federally Enforcing Right to Life

worldnetdaily ^ | April 22, 2002 | Dr. Alan Keyes

[helmsman]

A) You seem to hold doctors in very low esteem, equating them with paid hit men.

Seeing as though doctors have shown their willingness to rip unborn babies to bits, it's not a stretch to believe that there will be doctors who might shoot up somebody's grandma with poison.

[Fithal the Wise]

Do you believe the Constitution is a living breathing document that should be interpreted by our rulers to allow any action they momentarily deem appropriate?

Of course not. I'm a strict constructionist. You have ignored the earlier key question on what is the the basis for your rights.

[oldfart]

"I do believe the point of this article is that the Constition guarantees the right to life."

I don't have my copy of The Constitution at hand right now, but I don't believe it "guarantees" any such right. The DoI enumerates it as one of the "unalienable" rights, but guarantees nothing. The Constitution is supposed to be a listing of the limits constraining government.

[Eagle Eye]

You think that there aren't doctors out there that won't 'off' someone if the money is right? Nah, you can't be that naive.

A local docotr was recently sent to prison for indiscriminately prescribing oxycontin to get patients hooked on it and continually needing his services.

Doctors are human, but I no more believe that doctors are waiting to rake in big bucks in assisted suicide than I believe that cops wait in excitment for an opportunity to 'off' a suspect at the most meager provocation. It happens, but it is the exception.

I'd much prefer to take a final dose of medication at my time of choosing than endure the pain and wasting away that chronic illnesses often bring. Let me and my family prepare and decide when the time is right.

For those who would murder for profit, the law doesn't stop that now for those truly motivated.

[Eagle Eye]

Seeing as though doctors have shown their willingness to rip unborn babies to bits, it's not a stretch to believe that there will be doctors who might shoot up somebody's grandma with poison.

Point taken, however, abortionists are relatively rare, hardly the rule.

The arguement that doctors are waiting to rake in bucks offing gramma is, imo, more grasping at straws by opponents than anything else. What prevents doctors from doing that now, personal ethics or the law? I'd say that the law won't stop a determined murderer.

[dheretic]

Someone please cite the particular Article and Section of the United States Constitution which gives the federal government the power to force people to live. No generalities, specific Article and Section.

Dr. Keys is so fundamentally off base here it's not funny. This is a horrible argument that only advances big government. I see so much hypocrisy here it's mind boggling. All of you who whine and bitch and moan about the government "knowing what is best for you" on so many issues, but think that if you're terminally ill it should be able to force you to stay alive and suffer for several months to several years. Hypocrisy to its very core!

Many of you also do not approve of even medical marijuana. You would force terminally ill patients to use cheap quality artificial pain killers or dangerous natural ones like injective opiates. Whatever happened to the concept of dying with dignity? Have none of you that support Keys's argument here seen a loved one or pet waste away because someone kept them alive longer than their body naturally could sustain? I have, and I swore that I would never allow that again.

So ultimately, f*$% off Ashcroft and your big government loving administration. Let the people have control over their bodies and their lives. Oh wait, that would imply we should actually be a free society in deed and not just name and wishful thinking alone. I think the ramifications of a society that is actually free in deed and not words alone are too great for many of you to handle.

[Free the USA]

I think you may be confusing which question you asked me. The Commerce clause, which you asked me about, was designed to prevent one state from setting up trade barriers against goods entering or passing through from another state. It has nothing to do with how a State uses those goods.

You asked Doctor Stochastic about the basis for rights. Since the Creator gave us free will each individual has the right to choose how long to continue his life and will be answerable to the Creator but not to some Government official.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

A) You seem to hold doctors in very low esteem, equating them with paid hit men.

I regard doctors as I do all people, corrupt and tending towards evil. If evil is profitable, then men will arise to do it. The way to keep this manageable is to ensure that the temptation does not arise. This is the problem in the Catholic church placing sexually active homosexuals in the clergy, and allowing them to associate with young men. The results were inevitable. I do not regard doctors as being of a higher moral caliber than men of the cloth. If we make it legal for doctors to kill essentially anyone they want, and there are people who will profit from these deaths, then killing people for profit will become an active branch of 'medicine'.

[Valpal1]

Should this practice be established, it will end up with Doctors killing anyone whom someone pays them to kill, then saying that the victim requested it, and qualified under the law.

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I really wouldn't wish upon you the experience of a terminally ill relative begging for relief from pain and the indignities associated with not being allowed to die.

Legalized abortion was also supposed to relieve the desparate victims of rape, incest, botched alley abortionists, etc. To make the human experience less tragic.

Has it done so? 30 years later we have abortion at whim, for any reason at any stage of gestation, up to and including the moment of birth. We have the barbaric practice of Partial birth abortion, the main purpose of which is not to convenience the woman, but to provide intact fetal organs and tissues for the rapacious "medical" research community.

Abortion has become a billion dollar industry that operates hand in glove with the "sex educators" who encourage sex because they are dependent upon the known failure rate of contraceptives to provide new clients and fresh parts for their abortion mills.

Euthanasia will be no different, moved by horror stories of affliction and despair, the sheeple will buy into these "mercy" laws for legalized killing, and another death industry will be spawned. Only the ages of the victims will have changed.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

So ultimately, f*$% off Ashcroft and your big government loving administration

What will be more entertaining is when the right to kill people is extended from doctors to your local Democrat precinct committeeman. All he needs to do his come over, decide that as a libertarian you are not capable of living a 'meaningful existence', and sign your death certificate. Then some local cop will come out and 'execute' the death certificate.

[dheretic]

What will be more entertaining is when the right to kill people is extended from doctors to your local Democrat precinct committeeman. All he needs to do his come over, decide that as a libertarian you are not capable of living a 'meaningful existence', and sign your death certificate. Then some local cop will come out and 'execute' the death certificate

Please tell me, was that an attempt at humor or an attempt to refute what I said. Either way it fails miserably

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

What prevents doctors from doing that now, personal ethics or the law? I'd say that the law won't stop a determined murderer.

What prevents it now is cost/benefit analysis. The current cost of murdering patients for money is high, and the benefit is relatively low, since we do not have an open market in killing.

By reducing the cost of murder, and assisting in the creation of a market for murder, we will ensure that the intersection of the demand and supply curves will result in a market-clearing price and supply of murder at a far higher level.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Please tell me, was that an attempt at humor or an attempt to refute what I said.

It is a serious prediction. No power invested in private hands will long remain out of the hands of the state. The state is controlled by, and acts in the benefit of, political parties. Whether they put this power in the hands of the precinct worker, or in some bureaucrat, is immaterial.

[dheretic]

The state can already kill you without a trial. The state can kill you for whatever reason it desires to already. The state has an absolute control over the "justice system" and it can decide what to prosecute and what not to. It would only be by the good graces of the state or the fear of a popular revolution that if your killer was retained by the state that he/she would be prosecuted for anything. So your argument doesn't work.

[Samwise]

Once again you have succinctly stated the case.

[Dimensio]

If not from the Creator then is it from the will of the majority or what each differing individual says it is?

"Rights" are essentially what hasn't been restricted by those with the power and authority to create and enforce laws. There is no "right" to commit murder or theft because those in power have decreed such.

That isn't to say that it's necessarily a good or bad thing. It's just how it is.

[Eagle Eye]

Sorry, the comparison to abortion is not valid. Abortion is a procedure in which one person kills another without any consent or input from the vicitm.

Assisted suicide allows a dying person the ability to manage their death.

Two different topics, don't try to confuse the issue.

[helmsman]

Euthanasia will be no different, moved by horror stories of affliction and despair, the sheeple will buy into these "mercy" laws for legalized killing, and another death industry will be spawned. Only the ages of the victims will have changed.

It's clear that many of the groups behind euthanasia legalization simply want to establish a legal system of killing the aged, the dying, the disabled, for the purpose of relieving society of the financial burdens of caring for these folks. It is a similar motivation with the abortion pushers. The racist eugenics agenda of Planned Parenthood is well known, and I can't count how many times pro-aborts have justified abortion by claiming material benefits to society. It's vile.

[Eagle Eye]

If we make it legal for doctors to kill essentially anyone they want, and there are people who will profit from these deaths, then killing people for profit will become an active branch of 'medicine'.

You are stretching the facts. Nobody is advocating what you say they are," If we make it legal for doctors to kill essentially anyone they want..." but allowing those who choose to to assistthose who are competent to make their own choices.

Murder is still murder and it happens today with today's laws.

I wonder if it is your fears that govern your decisions or your desires to make decisions for other people.

[Fithal the Wise]

So you favor abolishing FDA authority over medical drugs?