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Did Hungarian spy save world from Russian invasion, World War III?
Stars&Stripes ^ | April 21 2002 | By Ward Sanderson, Stars and Stripes

Posted on 04/22/2002 9:52:37 AM PDT by swarthyguy

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1 posted on 04/22/2002 9:52:37 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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Great article! Thanks for posting it.
2 posted on 04/22/2002 10:09:50 AM PDT by Icthus
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All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

This is a good man who did something. An immigrant who has earned his keep.

3 posted on 04/22/2002 10:10:10 AM PDT by Paradox
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5 posted on 04/22/2002 11:01:46 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Icthus
The US Military at the end of the 1980s was at its peak. I think the Soviets would have been stopped before the Rhine conventionally. There missile subs would all have been sunk and their bombers shot down, or destroyed on the ground. I doubt they would have launched their land based missiles against the retaliation they would have faced....

Thank you President Reagan!

Mike

6 posted on 04/22/2002 11:35:56 AM PDT by MichaelP
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"..I think the Soviets would have been stopped before the Rhine conventionally.."

You may be right.....but if they knew our contingency plans for a Soviet invasion, that changes the whole scenario. The US would be at a severe disadvantage. The Soviets would have the benefit of knowing how we would react in a particular situation, and could put into place a counter for each and every one of our pre-planned scenarios.

In that type of game....we may have found ourselves reeling backwards right out of the gate. Thank G_d it never got to that point.

7 posted on 04/22/2002 12:27:58 PM PDT by Icthus
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"István Belovai believes he is the spy who saved the world. "

Hogwash! Evertbody knows that it was the Norwegians who denied Hitler of early development of the A-bomb.

They blew up the "heavy water" plant in Telemark during the German occupation.

8 posted on 04/22/2002 12:39:42 PM PDT by advocate10
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"István Belovai believes he is the spy who saved the world. "

Hogwash! Evertbody knows that it was the Norwegians who denied Hitler of early development of the A-bomb.

They blew up the "heavy water" plant in Telemark during the German occupation.

9 posted on 04/22/2002 12:39:59 PM PDT by advocate10
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When he departs, they should bury him in Arlington!
10 posted on 04/22/2002 12:44:25 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: advocate10
You watch too many war movies.
11 posted on 04/22/2002 12:45:51 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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Many people have saved the world from time to time. Don't worry, there is still much more saving to be done.
12 posted on 04/22/2002 12:47:10 PM PDT by SubMareener
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With the help of the British commandos, wasn't it. Recently, TCM had the kirk douglas movie 'incident at telemark' or a similar title.
13 posted on 04/22/2002 12:51:04 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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Norway: Heroes of Telemark

On a moonlit winter night in 1943, nine Norwegian commandoes, trained and equipped in England, infiltrated the most heavily defended structure in occupied Europe. Their objective was to destroy the heavy water production facilities critical to the Nazi atomic bomb project. Four months earlier, three-dozen British soldiers had tried and died on a similar mission, without ever gaining sight of their target. But the Norwegians were destined to have a different fate...

After skillfully climbing the "unscaleable" (and therefore undefended) gorge below Norsk Hydro; they snuck into the facility, set and detonated their demolition charges, and escaped back down into the gorge without having to fire a single shot. This attack was the climax of the Allied efforts to deny Germany the bomb.

14 posted on 04/22/2002 12:55:40 PM PDT by RoughDobermann
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 And though Belovai wants full exoneration, he vows not
to accept it from any future left-leaning government.

I was with him until this.  Exoneration from a right-wing
government would be preaching to the converted.
 

15 posted on 04/22/2002 2:58:25 PM PDT by gcruse
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In 20/20 hindsight the heavy water approach to building an a-bomb was a wrong approach. It would'nt have worked anyhow.
16 posted on 04/22/2002 3:02:27 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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Great Post!

Sergeant First Class Clyde Conrad was a traitor of the first order, he has not recieved the condemnation he so richly deserved - this man did the free world a great favor by exposing his treachery.

The revelation that the defense plans of much of NATO's CENTAG and NORTHAG forces caused great consternation and unleased an intense dragnet to uncover the culprit. I was privileged to participate in a small way. I only regret that I was unable to serve as a one man firing squad at Clyde Conrad's execution. The German court issued its harshest possible sentence, life, in his case; but this was far too lenient. Fortunately, Clyde died before he ever again saw the light of day.

Stuart Herrington has written a great inside account of this drama. Highly recommended reading.

17 posted on 04/22/2002 3:21:48 PM PDT by centurion316
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Do u have the title of herrington's book or a link if the article/book are online?
18 posted on 04/22/2002 3:54:12 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: MichaelP
I was a staff weinie at VII Imperial Corps, G3, in the mid-80's. We would have had our asses handed to us. The Pershings would have flown on D+2. It would have been all down hill from there. We got lucky.
19 posted on 04/22/2002 4:49:51 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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I was A tank company commander in the Fulda Gap (3rd Brigade), then in G-3 and later the HHC commander 83-88. I worked with Conrad, and know that he betrayed all of us. He was, indeed, a traitor. The German courts put him in a special prison, where he died a few years later. I agree that with the war plans Conrad kept selling to them for mere money they would have knew our weak points and every update of the GDP plan for many years. The German courts, in their ruling said that Clyde Conrad’s personal actions would have likely resulted in Nuclear release on German soil-—I agree with that assessment.

No knock on Regan who’s force improvements kept the Russians from trying.

The Real unsung hero was MSG Michael Barnes, the G-3 Sergeant Major who came in under cover and exposed Conrad. If you are still out there Mike, Thank you for your service to your country, both in Vietnam and in Bad Kreuznach


20 posted on 05/12/2011 7:12:25 AM PDT by lroyal
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