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IRS Official to Judicial Watch: Clinton Enemies Were Audited
Newsmax ^ | April 23,2002 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 04/22/2002 10:00:48 PM PDT by Kay Soze

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To: ned
Looks to me like it was just a diversion

What do you think I have been trying to tell you?

All you are telling me is that you argue like a democRAT and fear the Ron Brown case like all the rest of the move-on'ers. Thanks for making my case.

151 posted on 05/07/2002 3:11:09 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: Admin Moderator
keep it civil or the thread gets pulled.

Actually I went to bed right after posting #43, and was never planning to be uncivil in any case. However, since an essentially similar thread went over 2000 posts before being locked last week, it appeared that all pertinent points had already been made on the subject.

152 posted on 05/07/2002 3:12:09 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Howlin
I'll wait and see what the official transcript says -- the one with the sworn testimony in it.

Gee, Howlin, didn't you tell me that people lie all the time in sworn testimony? Isn't that what you said when you were trying to dismiss the sworn testimony of Linda Tripp, Kathleen Janoski and all the others who were deposed in such matters as Chinagate, Filegate, Emailgate and the death of Ron Brown ... you know, those scandals that you recently said were investigated and found to be about "NOTHING"?

153 posted on 05/07/2002 3:16:03 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: Amelia
*Yawn*
154 posted on 05/07/2002 3:19:15 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Amelia, Howlin
Sort of reminds one of "It depends on what your definition of 'is' is..."

I am more curious about your and Howlin's definitions of MURDER and MASS MURDER. They sound very ... well ... Clintonesque.

155 posted on 05/07/2002 3:25:17 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Answer: Hillary ran the White House, Reno ran the Justice Dept .... AND THE NY TIMES IGNORED THEIR CRIMES.

Answer 2: Bush runs the White House, Ashcroft runs the Justice Dept ... and the NY Times is ignoring the fact that Bush and Ashcroft are simply moving on with regards to all the serious crimes committed by Clinton and his friends. At least the NY Times is consistent.

156 posted on 05/07/2002 3:30:37 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: Amelia, Howlin, deport
Many pertinent points had been made, but not nearly enough it seems, because you and Howlin still believe that there is nothing wrong with this politically motivated IRS audit.
157 posted on 05/07/2002 3:32:16 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist

The pertinent points won't have a thing to do with the price of eggs in China nor the actually IRS audit of the 'eWW'..... I'm sure he is as clean as the wind driven snow.... and we'll know just as soon as he gets on with the audit.

Just think he could have saved his donor many dollars by completing this audit back in 1998 when it was first requested. Instead he's strung it out and gotten deeper each year. Now he's begging for more money to spend to fight it in his estimate of $150,000 per month.

Gosh had he provided the info in 1998 he could be going about the business of ferreting out gov't corruption and taking extra cruises... maybe even filing a few more suits in the world court.... Instead he now has to spend the donors money to to do something he should have done over 3 yrs ago...

Come clean 'eWW'


158 posted on 05/07/2002 3:43:20 PM PDT by deport
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To: BeAChooser
Why must you steal portions of my suicide theory and then use the stolen portions to criticize it? It's my theory, not yours!

Make up your own theory, please!

159 posted on 05/07/2002 4:04:50 PM PDT by ned
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To: All
And please, no fighting today. My nerves just can't take it anymore! Please!
160 posted on 05/07/2002 4:06:55 PM PDT by ned
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To: BeAChooser
I am more curious about your and Howlin's definitions of MURDER and MASS MURDER. They sound very ... well ... Clintonesque.

Please post my definitions of MURDER and MASS MURDER, along with links to where I posted them.

161 posted on 05/07/2002 4:08:51 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
If *I* can be audited, why can't Judicial Watch?
162 posted on 05/07/2002 4:10:45 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: deport
Judicial Watch shouldn't have to be audited in the first place. We all know that this is politically motivated, even you.
163 posted on 05/07/2002 4:19:40 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Amelia
Political Motivation should never be the basis for an audit.
164 posted on 05/07/2002 4:20:22 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Amelia
Does this thread have anything to do with MURDER or MASS MURDER? .. lol. I thought it was Limbacher's parroting of 'eWW's' screed about the IRS doing dastardly deeds to him and his donors.... Now death I understand as being a part as the 'eWW' has let it be known that it will be "over my dead body" before he complies with the IRS request....

Auditing, auditing, auditing... a tough job but someone has to do it..... Just like monitoring gov't corruption is a tough job.....

165 posted on 05/07/2002 4:25:49 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
I do not find your little screeds amusing at all. There is a lot more at stake here besides JW.
166 posted on 05/07/2002 4:28:13 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: deport
Now death I understand as being a part as the 'eWW' has let it be known that it will be "over my dead body" before he complies with the IRS request....

You're right, I thought we were talking about suicide myself.

167 posted on 05/07/2002 4:28:46 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
*YAWN*

Don't read them or respond if they bother you.... simple isn't it.

168 posted on 05/07/2002 4:38:10 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
Someone is getting snippy, isn't she?
169 posted on 05/07/2002 5:06:28 PM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: BluH2o
Remember the Nixon years, particularly his second term, and the unrelenting drumbeat of criticism from the liberal media. He (Nixon) was desparaged unmercifully for even the slightest hint that he might unleash the IRS on his perceived enemies.

This is still brought up by the leftists. Do you know of anyone who Nixon actually had audited for political purposes? I think that Nixon did more talking than actually doing corrupt things.

170 posted on 05/07/2002 5:16:34 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Amelia, Howlin
Please post my definitions of MURDER and MASS MURDER, along with links to where I posted them.

Well pardon me if I've gotten the mistaken impression that you agree with Howlin in thinking that Ron Brown was not murdered, and that Chinagate, Filegate etc. were properly investigated and turned out to be about "NOTHING"? If that isn't true, then by all means say so. We sure wouldn't want Howlin to think you agree with her on such serious matters, would we?

171 posted on 05/07/2002 5:39:36 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: deport
Does this thread have anything to do with MURDER or MASS MURDER?

Only in that one's views on the Ron Brown matter may relate to one's credibility and motives for attacking Judicial Watch.

172 posted on 05/07/2002 5:42:45 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: BeAChooser
I repeat, please post my definitions of MURDER and MASS MURDER, along with links to where I posted them.

Also, please post where I've mentioned Ron Brown, Chinagate, or Filegate on this thread; otherwise I'll have to conclude that you are carrying arguments from thread to thread in clear violation of the rules.

173 posted on 05/07/2002 6:01:43 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Kay Soze
I would like to know how Clinton got away with using a gov agency against its citizens. Is it illegal? Is there nothing to prevent it?
174 posted on 05/07/2002 6:30:58 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: BeAChooser; VA Advogado
Gee, Howlin, didn't you tell me that people lie all the time in sworn testimony?

Have you, of all people, forgotten Bill Clinton's sworn testimony?

Isn't that what you said when you were trying to dismiss the sworn testimony of Linda Tripp, Kathleen Janoski and all the others who were deposed in such matters as Chinagate, Filegate, Emailgate and the death of Ron Brown ...

I say again, post it right here -- for all the world to see -- EXACTLY where I said Linda Tripp wasn't telling the truth. My exact words -- not something YOU assumed. This is at least my fourth or fifth request for you to POST my EXACT words where I insinuated Linda Tripp was lying under oath.

Post it or stop saying that. Let's see who's not telling the truth here.

175 posted on 05/07/2002 6:52:46 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
First of all, I do not take dictionary definitions very seriously--they show a lack of creativity on one's part.

*Rolling my eyes*

Apply IMMEDIATELY for a job at Judicial Watch; you'll fit right in.

I have NEVER seen anybody twist so many things to make Larry Klayman look good.

I am to the point with you that I can hardly wait for Klayman to be exposed just to see you explain it to us all.

176 posted on 05/07/2002 6:56:35 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Amelia
Ignore her; she makes it up as she goes along, as you can see. She ASSUMED you said something you never even got close to. But it DOES suit HER agenda, doesn't it?
177 posted on 05/07/2002 6:59:05 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Amelia, Howlin
Also, please post where I've mentioned Ron Brown, Chinagate, or Filegate on this thread; otherwise I'll have to conclude that you are carrying arguments from thread to thread in clear violation of the rules.

The credibility and motives of a poster are certainly germaine to any discussion involving Klayman and the Clintons. Don't you agree? By your apparent friendliness with someone (Howlin) who has espoused views that seem ... well Clintonesque ... you open yourself to scrutiny. I'm simply asking where you stand with regards to the validity of the Clinton-related crimes that Klayman helped expose (which is probably why he was audited in the first place). If your views aren't consistent in that regard, as Howlin's aren't, then perhaps the readers of this thread may reassess your dislike of Judicial Watch.

178 posted on 05/07/2002 7:06:16 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: BeAChooser
Still waiting for you to post those "views."

Let's have them once and for all. Put up or shut up about it.

179 posted on 05/07/2002 7:11:10 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: BeAChooser
I repeat, please post my definitions of MURDER and MASS MURDER, along with links to where I posted them.

Also again, please post where I've mentioned Ron Brown, Chinagate, or Filegate on this thread; otherwise I'll have to conclude that you are carrying arguments from thread to thread in clear violation of the rules.

180 posted on 05/07/2002 7:13:44 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Howlin
"Ignore her; she makes it up as she goes along, as you can see. She ASSUMED you said something you never even got close to. But it DOES suit HER agenda, doesn't it?"

What's my agenda again? I need you to tell me Howlin, because even I don't seem to know myself. Someone sounds flustered...tisk, tisk, tisk.

181 posted on 05/07/2002 7:32:07 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Iwo Jima, deport
"Someone is getting snippy, isn't she?"

Yes, I would agree that Howlin has showed us her "very frustrated" side tonight. Perhaps she had a bad day at work, or just didn't get enough sleep last night.

182 posted on 05/07/2002 7:33:52 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Amelia; BeAChooser
Amelia, haven't you figured this out yet?

All of this MURDER and MASS MURDER nonsense talk is merely part of a continuing effort to cover-up the SUICIDE. It's disgraceful, that's what it is.

We need to get the list of contributors as soon as possible. I want to interview each and every one of them. I'm certain that some of them know about Ron Brown's "mysterious death."

183 posted on 05/07/2002 7:34:38 PM PDT by ned
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To: deport
"Don't read them or respond if they bother you.... simple isn't it."

Yes, it is, especially when time is a valuable commodity for the day.

184 posted on 05/07/2002 7:35:19 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Howlin
"*Rolling my eyes*"

Be careful, they might get stuck there.

185 posted on 05/07/2002 7:36:47 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
I'm not talking to YOU or about you.
186 posted on 05/07/2002 7:42:12 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Then who were you talking about, Howlin?

By the way, I have firmly concluded that you are THE beacon of Olympian Objectivity on this forum.

187 posted on 05/07/2002 7:45:05 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Seems time must not be that valuable of a commodity as you continue to respond...... LOL.

Just think how much time 'eWW' could have saved along with untold thousands of dollars by getting this audit behind them in 1998..... Now that would have been the ethical thing to do for his donors to thusly save their money and use it more wisely to ferret out the gov't corruption and conduct those enlightening cruises to the 'Klayman Islands'.. Gosh we must all use our time and donated resources/treasures wisely, wouldn't you think....


188 posted on 05/07/2002 7:46:15 PM PDT by deport
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To: Howlin;beachooser;freedominjesuschrist;rebeckie
Have you, of all people, forgotten Bill Clinton's sworn testimony?

BAC and his girlfriend Beckie are two of the biggest Clinton/DNC fundraiser defenders on this site. Nothing should amaze us about this couple of plants.

189 posted on 05/07/2002 7:48:00 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Howlin
Have you, of all people, forgotten Bill Clinton's sworn testimony?

Of course not. I was simply pointing out the inconsistency in your apparently trusting sworn testimony when it suits you but being seemingly unwilling to trust sworn testimony (by people that we supposedly admire like Linda Tripp and Janowski) when it related to the crimes of the Clinton Administration and DNC, and didn't suit you.

I say again, post it right here -- for all the world to see -- EXACTLY where I said Linda Tripp wasn't telling the truth. My exact words -- not something YOU assumed.

I not going to play your word games and definition games any more, Howlin. You made the statement on a previous thread that people lie under oath immediately after you were asked about the testimony of Linda Tripp and many of the other people Klayman deposed in the Filegate scandal. Here is the exchange that occurred between us (your statements are in italics):

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You're NOT preposing that Bush and Ashcroft go to court on Larry Klayman's word alone, are you?

But it isn't Klayman's word ... its the sworn word of the people deposed. For example, in the Filegate case he has
1. The testimony of Linda Tripp, former executive assistant in the White House Counsel’s Office, that she observed FBI files of Republicans being loaded onto a White House computer.
2. Tripp’s testimony that she overheard William Kennedy, former Rose Law Firm partner of Hillary Clinton and then associate White House counsel, and Marsha Scott, the first lady’s confidante, discussing Hillary Clinton’s plan to share the FBI files on a computer database with the Democratic National Committee.
3. The testimony of Deborah Perroy, a White House whistle-blower, that operatives of Clinton director of security for White House personnel Craig Livingstone were going through FBI and CIA files of Republicans and that it was Hillary Clinton who hired and directed Livingstone.
4. The sworn testimony of Sherry Rowlands (“friend” of Clinton spinmaster and pollster Dick Morris) that Morris admitted to her that Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of Filegate.
5. The Fifth Amendment claims of Clinton security assistant Anthony Marceca, where he refused to answer questions about the misuse of FBI files and the role of Hillary Clinton in their misuse, which create “evidentiary inferences” that Filegate happened and the first lady was involved.
6. The testimony by Tripp identifying FBI files of Republicans in the office of Kennedy, who supervised Livingstone and Marceca.
7. The testimony of Kennedy’s wife, Leslie Gail Kennedy, that her husband loaded FBI files onto a computer database on a laptop computer while sitting at their kitchen table.
8. The admission by Assistant White House Counsel Michelle Peterson that she and the Clinton White House planned to stall the Filegate case until after the Clintons left office.
9. Former White House counsel and longtime friend of Hillary Clinton Bernard Nussbaum’s admission to former FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene that Hillary Clinton strongly recommended Livingstone for his security job. Tripp, among others, testified that Livingstone bragged about being hired by and working for Hillary Clinton. Sheryl Hall, another White House whistle-blower, testified that Livingstone worked for Hillary Clinton.
10. Photographs of Hillary Clinton with Livingstone, refuting Mrs. Clinton’s claims that she does not know Livingstone.
11. Sign-out logs showing a six-month gap (akin to President Nixon’s infamous 18-minute tape gap) in detailing who removed which FBI files from the White House Office of Personnel Security.
You want to count the number of FELONIES suggested by those depostions. And you don't want Ashcroft to investigate? You are again arguing like a democRAT. Beware.

You cannot possibly be dumb enough to believe that any SWORN TESTIMONY cannot possibly be a lie. I am a court reporter; my job is to put people under oath and watch them lie.

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And you want us to believe that your reply doesn't indicate a belief that Tripp's (and the other's) testimony is a lie ... especially given the fact that you recently stated that Filegate (among other scandals) was investigated and found to be about "nothing"? Since that would be counter to what Tripp was alleging in her testimony, what other conclusion are we to draw about your opinion of Tripp's testimony then that you don't believe her? Sorry ... but your intent was obvious ... to discredit Tripp and the others testimony so you could discredit Klayman.

You think you can hide behind "exact" words and that we will ignore the intent of what you say and the inconsistencies in what you say. You thought you could use such tactics when you at first claimed you never said Brown wasn't murdered ... implying to all that read the thread that you might believe he was murdered. Too bad the internet has a memory and in a moment of candor you had previously admitted your real feelings to someone about the Brown case.

We have a perfect right to suspect your intentions ... especially since you play word games ... just like Clinton and his people did.

190 posted on 05/07/2002 7:48:24 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: BeAChooser
You said more than once that I have said that Linda Tripp lied in her deposition.

Produce it or admit you're not telling the truth.

191 posted on 05/07/2002 7:50:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: deport
Well, for your information, I just got out of class and I managed to write a 10 page paper today, so time was a valuable commodity for me. As if you would know anyway.

Judicial Watch never cooperated with this audit in the first place because it was politically motivated to begin with. Judicial Watch's supporters agreed with JW's actions then as they do now.

192 posted on 05/07/2002 7:51:01 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: VA Advogado
Well, hey, VA; I'm STILL trying to get BAC to post where I said Linda Tripp lied. What do you think it means because it can't?
193 posted on 05/07/2002 7:53:03 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin, BeAChooser
"Produce it or admit you're not telling the truth"

Howlin, don't even bother baiting BeAChooser into your transparent demagoguery. You are switching the subject on us.

194 posted on 05/07/2002 7:53:43 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Freedom, you seem grouchy. Are you feeling oppressed?

"All the days of the oppressed are wretched, but the cheerful heart has a continual feast." (Proverbs 15:15)

195 posted on 05/07/2002 7:55:05 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
You're getting kind of testy, aren't you? Bad grades?
196 posted on 05/07/2002 7:56:34 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: BeAChooser
Stop saying such things!

Linda Tripp did not lie under oath.

Ever!

I'm sorry, BeAChooser, but that's way over the line!

197 posted on 05/07/2002 7:56:36 PM PDT by ned
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
How about minding your own replies. I see quite a few that you have ignored.
198 posted on 05/07/2002 7:57:52 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
They better keep the support coming if he continues to fight this thing..... Heck 'eWW' will be spending more each year on lawyers to fight this IRS audit than he spends on legal actions against gov't corruption and cruising the blue waters......
199 posted on 05/07/2002 8:00:20 PM PDT by deport
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To: Howlin, Amelia
I am not testy right now or getting bad grades. Like typical females you read way too much into EVERYTHING!
200 posted on 05/07/2002 8:00:44 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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