Posted on 04/23/2002 12:35:51 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations presents itself as just another civil-rights group. "We are similar to a Muslim NAACP," says spokesman Ibrahim Hooper. Its public language - about promoting "interest and understanding among the general public with regards to Islam and Muslims in North America" - certainly boosts an image of moderation.
That reputation has permitted CAIR to prosper since its founding in 1994, garnering sizeable donations, invitations to the White House, respectful media citations and a serious hearing by corporations.
In reality, CAIR is something quite different. For starters, it's on the wrong side in the war on terrorism. One indication came in October 1998, when the group demanded the removal of a Los Angeles billboard describing Osama bin Laden as "the sworn enemy," finding this depiction "offensive to Muslims."
The same year, CAIR denied bin Laden's responsibility for the twin East African embassy bombings. As Hooper saw it, those explosions resulted from some vague "misunderstandings of both sides." (A New York court, however, blamed bin Laden's side alone for the embassy blasts.)
In 2001, CAIR denied his culpability for the Sept. 11 massacre, saying only that "if [note the "if"] Osama bin Laden was behind it, we condemn him by name." (Only in December was CAIR finally embarrassed into acknowledging his role.)
CAIR consistently defends other militant Islamic terrorists too. The conviction of the perpetrators of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing it deemed "a travesty of justice." The conviction of Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh who planned to blow up New York City landmarks, it called a "hate crime." The extradition order for suspected Hamas terrorist Mousa Abu Marook it labeled "anti-Islamic" and "anti-American."
Not surprisingly, CAIR also backs those who finance terrorism. When President Bush closed the Holy Land Foundation in December for collecting money he said was "used to support the Hamas terror organization," CAIR decried his action as "unjust" and "disturbing."
CAIR even includes at least one person associated with terrorism in its own ranks. On Feb. 2, 1995, U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White named Siraj Wahhaj as one of the "unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators" in the attempt to blow up New York City monuments. Yet CAIR deems him "one of the most respected Muslim leaders in America" and includes him on its advisory board.
For these and other reasons, the FBI's former chief of counterterrorism, Steven Pomerantz, concludes that "CAIR, its leaders and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups."
Nor is terrorism the only disturbing aspect of CAIR's record. Other problems include:
Intimidating moderate Muslims. In at least two cases (Hisham Kabbani and Khalid Durán), CAIR has defamed moderate Muslims who reject its extremist agenda, leading to death threats against them.
Embracing murderers. CAIR responded to the arrest and conviction of Jamil Al-Amin (the former H. Rap Brown) by praising him, raising funds for him and then denying his guilt after his conviction for the murder of an Atlanta policeman. Likewise with Ahmad Adnan Chaudhry of San Bernardino, Calif.: Disregarding his conviction for attempting murder, CAIR declared him "innocent" and set up a defense fund for him.
Promoting anti-Semitism. The head of CAIR's Los Angeles office, Hussam Ayloush, routinely uses the term "zionazi" when referring to Israelis. CAIR co-hosted an event in May 1998 at which an Egyptian militant Islamic leader, Wagdi Ghunaym, called Jews the "descendants of the apes."
Aggressive ambitions. As reported by the San Ramon Valley Herald, CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad told a crowd of California Muslims in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
CAIR's real record is one of extremism. North American Muslims themselves are beginning to discover - and the government, leading media, churches, and businesses should follow - that CAIR represents not the noble civilization of Islam but an aggressive and radical strain similar to that which led to the suicide hijackings last September. CAIR must be shunned as a fringe group by responsible institutions and individuals throughout North America.
Quote of the Day by clintonh8r, SoDak, Still Thinking, Brett66, & Russ 4/23/02
WOW! And Moussaui is living proof of that aim as he refuses legal counsel because "only a Muslim court could judge him impartially, because it understands terrorists and Mujahedin".
Pipes Rocks. AND FURTHERMORE THE HIGHLIGHTED WORDS ABOVE ARE SEDITION!
Time to start deporting the muslims! Enemies in our mist!
Well, there you have it.
The aim of Islam is to become dominant in America (forget plurality, tolerance and freedom of religion).
The Koran should be the highest authority (forget the Constitution, American jurisprudence and republican rule).
Islam = the only accepted religion (forget Christianity, or anything else. If you're here, you WILL be a Muslim).
Isn't it about time to stop fooling ourselves and start the deportations?
The war is ultimately lost until we recognize who the enemy is and what their goals are.
Thanks for the flag. And thanks for your help at the front, yesterday. I think we won that battle.
CAIR's real record is one of extremism. North American Muslims themselves are beginning to discover - and the government, leading media, churches, and businesses should follow - that CAIR represents not the noble civilization of Islam but an aggressive and radical strain similar to that which led to the suicide hijackings last September. CAIR must be shunned as a fringe group by responsible institutions and individuals throughout North America.
Bump.
Radical islam is an insane death cult, and "moderate" islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."-- Omar M. Ahmad, chairman of the board of the Council on American-Islamic relations (CAIR)
Let there never again be no doubt about the true aim of CAIR.
Generally so, but I think this one did.
CAIR represents not the noble civilization of Islam
I've seen little in Muslim history that suggests nobility. How can they not represent something that apparently never existed?
In any case, stock up on your emergency supplies, keep your powder dry, and hope that our leaders are just saying "nice doggie!" to the snarling mongrel, while we're building and preparing some nice rocks.
If certain written religious texts of the Koran are being quoted at a mosque in the same sentence as a call for action, or requesting money for those who make the ultimate "gift" to be martyred...That church is put on probation...If it happens say three times...It comes under new management...The FEDS! And I mean every dime of donations gets traced...The real terrorists probably already know not to attend services, but these mullahs are pulling the financial and emotional strings in the community. There is good legal precedent for people who abuse the right to freedom of assembly to foment rebellion against the government...particularly in time of war.
Stating that the Koran should be the ultimate power in America(Worldwide is tough to respond to) is a cause for investigation of an individual by the FBI if any indication is given about how it(Sharia law) can be placed there, including in PRAYERS. This death cult culture has adopted a very loose code of double talk to avoid being caught in publicly promoting genocide...Their actions have got to be taken at face value because they are already censoring their speach because they are trained to lie to infidels(Reference any statement ever made by Araflat!).
Conspiracy laws have got to be updated to include education of children to wish to kill ANYONE but Jews in particular since this is obviously being taught, right now!...This is not freedom of religion, its Murder High USA. Maybe a dose of Child Protective Services could be sprinkled in...They have quite a wide range of intervention justifications... Anyway...All these techniques are based on popular understanding and support of the very real threat the US is facing...
The biggest barrier to getting these ideas implemented falls on the Press...Liberal Journalists(vast majority) can't imagine anyone building up a system as broad as the Wahhabi's without catching their eagle eyes(HA!). That's the big problem...If journalists are exposed as having paid no attention to the shift in Muslim values for 10 or 15 years they are exposed as ethnocentric racists! They hate that...heh heh. Somehow we have to get unbiased, factual news about how widespread the death cult is within a much smaller true moderate peacefull Islamic culture(almost secular) which is out there. In the short term, I think that means really encouraging the enrollment that has already begun in Arabic Languages...We need to know what is being taught to this closed society within our borders. Maybe pulling the newsies in on this angle is the best way to let them save face...Send some reporters and a neutral translator to some of the special rallies I've seen filmed before 9/11 that looked like Hitler's beer hall putsch's. Bottom line, the press has got to get into gear and report to joe sixpack that little kids are thinking about dropping by his house with a "sixpack" of C4 stuffed in a plush toy. The intellectual jump is that the actors in the near future might be US citizens not illegal immigrants. The Death Cult is contagious and Al Jazeerah is everywhere, whipping people up. In a funny way we're the victims of Radio Free Mecca!
Bush's performance, insisting that "Islam is peace", while stated for public consumption in the Islamic world, is not reassuring to those of his constituents who see even moderate Islam, as Travis McGee has so presciently stated, a Trojan Horse for radical Islam.
Your concern that the press is hypersensitive is all too true, HG. This period may be a turning point where people realize that they're being led by the nose AWAY from reality by the libs. We've had a wakeup call with WTC and it has got to be used as a prod to keep events in perspective...The US must have accurate reporting because we are at WAR. One way we might be able to make inroads is more compare and contrast between press coverage of Klintoons muddling and Bush's leadership...anyway finding a point of leverage to move the mass media centerward is critical to properly go after a nascent terrorist network using Islam as a universal defense, as Travis so aptly phrased it. It wasn't that long ago that the quota systems and EO laws got turned back so we know reality can be intruded into the system...Its just hard work...It beats sitting around with a radiation detector waiting for a dust cloud to descend on your city.
Lets see what kind of hue and cry the Moussaoui(SP?) testimony generates. Here is a walking talking example of the unspeakable ANIMALS that killed over Three THOUSAND Americans, Firemen, NYPD and a sweet rescue dog! I'm hoping that he'll be his sweet jihadi self and provide a face for the enemy.
We need to Freep AROUND the press, over it, under it and subverting it, if we can stand the smell of dealing with the demorats...This WAR situation has got to be put in perspective...the 9/11 murderers planned it, they financed it, they sadistically tortured and killed women one by one on those planes in the most gruesome way I can imagine and then they killed the rest as callously as mowing a lawn. We just need more footage of the Wahhabi's celebrating with candy and barbecues
Bush is sounding awfully soft today after driving Abdullah around his ranch(for 5 hours! a little sympathy for our boy, please!). I hope he's not going to cave on doing SoDamn Insane at the very least. He did ask that the Arabs stop their Government Press organs from praising suiciders which is very crucial in my opinion assuming the Wahhabi's will shut the hell up! I still have enough faith in Dubyah that this is just playing for time before we show up on the ME map in a new place with puhlenty of depleted uranium munitions and enough JDAMs to draw a portrait of Dubya in the desert, pointilist style.
On the domestic front, Travis, if you're right and the US can't keep a head of steam up for 8 months of phony war without a new attack to refocus our efforts, we're in trouble.
The USA's HOME SOIL was attacked by a Death Cult that wants us all dead or "submissive to the Koran" but has no identifiable borders to storm...Welcome to the Millenium...I'd feel a lot more concerned if we were faced with a more educated opponent...as it is, all they can do is fight real dirty. If Iraq or Iran or Pakistan or North Korea start providing WMD's to the suiciders, they are going to have to deliver them to our soil and I'm hoping our people will catch them doing it...As we get more translators on line in the espionage area and the NSA goes after the Internet traffic, I'd say that the old addage about smugglers and Customs agents applies...A customs agent only has to be lucky "once". Then the Hangman gets "lucky".
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Great post. Islam does have some prime targets to take out. Mecca and Medina top the list. 30 minutes after these twin centers of moon spirit Allah are obliterated Israelis will rise up and bulldoze and cart away that Muslim jive that's been built on top the Temple Mount.
You see, Dennis?
That is why I love the internet. If you were in a bar with me and ANY of my friends and said something like that...They would interject in UNISON..."DON'T ENCOURAGE HIM!!!". But here in cyberspace, I am unfettered by such good advice.
That is beautiful, man...
Lets indeed cart away that Muslim Jive! Did you see the Great Satan's Ding Dong, Islam Calling, Gif? I want a Tshirt with that on the back and some version of cart off this Muslim Jive on the front! I'm grinning so hard my jaw is getting sore...
I’m no expert, but I doubt it’s sedition. You make some interesting points, but they also demonstrate the “slippery slope” our reaction to Islamic Terror could put us on. IMO, disruption of our way of life is one of their objectives.
Personally, I think the solution is a definitive, devastating defeat of the forces of terror at the source, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and to an extent Saudi Arabia. In the case of the first two, I think it will only come through military action, which I hope we take. Right now, I think the terrorists, and their supporters here, think they’re winning.
Abundy, I’d be curious what, if any, legal recourse there is to the teaching of violence in Muslim schools and mosques in America. I’m a little hesitant about going down this road.
After scanning the story of Algeria, I have to say you are right. The polarization of a society leads to Military suppression of civil unrest followed by a Leninist overthrow of the military...Unbelievable! But on the other hand, if a case can be made in the public eye that the Caliphate is the ultimate goal of Wahabbi's which I believe it is...We are talking about organized conspiracy to destabilize the United States Government. They HIT THE PENTAGON!!!!! did I put enough exclamation points in there? They are militarizing for unconventional warfare on our soil...who cares if we're going to kick their ass once they poke their stinky heads out of the ground over here...I want active operations on THEIR turf, starting with IRAQ. But I digress...
We're talking about home grown grass roots financing, intelligence gathering, facilitating and recruitment of terrorism in Springfield USA(obscure Simpson's reference). We have a Springfield Mosque with a school and a social calender and a standard amount of tithing for the poor which is a lovely sentiment except they only care about Muslim poor(and Martyr per capita output) as far as I've read. Are fatwas from Osama being recited in the service? Are there discussions about killing infidels in Jihad right this instant in the country where we live in the service? Glorifying martyrs for killing noncombatants?(Here is where you and I agree that there is a slippery slope...I recently read where Mohammed himself advocated killing the family of an infidel who had wronged him because they were all attached-all one. If that is really mainstream Islam, then my head hurts.) I'd like to draw a line in religious tenets that forbids random terrorism, but allows them to wave their AK47's in the air and blow off steam...We can kick their ass in conventional war and they know it. "Maybe Allah will weaken the Jews in the next generation and we can jihad them some more then, Achmed, don't Bogart that pita!..."
If the Saudi's can reign in the Mullahs to stop applauding the random killing of innocents...not eschewing Jihad...just keeping it man to man. Then their honor is preserved and we don't have to uproot a culture. If Jihad is the only way to paradise and security around infidel targets is so tight that the Wahabbi's can't prevail with conventional weapons...we're back to baby bombers unless we can get them to accept that that is unIslamic.
Maybe by outright saying you Mullah's failure to change your fatwas will result immediately in the nuking of Mecca, in effect you are showing disrespect to future generations of Muslims(I could have been an advertising agent!). But I don't know if that will have as much of an effect as we'd like to think...The Wahabbi deal GOES for mutilation by the enemy...I mean they WANT to show up at the Gates with their balls in their hand. That masochism might apply to their holy places as well. The ultimate martyr, a building over a meteorite...Jeeze.
Things we don't control...Al Jazeera, The Mullah's, EU press antisemitism, The French(who'd want to?), terror cells already gone to "sleep" within the muslim community- untraceable by common sense surveillance of services and social gatherings of militant mosques, the Liberal US Press. We have counterpropaganda which I understand is gearing up nicely to offset AJ. We have Saudi Arabia's economy which we can screw up pretty well assuming China, North Korea, and Russia don't take up the technological slack, said economic pressure might moderate the Mullahs. EU Press condemnation...SJ, was it you that predicted that Jews might exodus Europe? That might have a bigger impact on their economy than our efforts against the Saudis;-) Sleeper Cells...Very bad...Any success they achieve is a miracle from Allah...anticipate, investigate, interrogate, deport.
And last we have the Indefatigable Liberal Press who will attack every one of these strategies as being reactionary, paranoid, and upsetting for the children...They have to be led to the well(and convinced it was their idea) to drink the water of enlightenment that they are personally in danger of being poisened, blown up, or.. purified:-) I can't see Greta Van Susteran putting a Burqha over her new plastic surgery. The press mentality is elitist...They sit outside human affairs and judge them...They might be vulnerable to being Judged by the Wahabbi's on some unexpected aspect of their(perceived) benefit to society...being part of the Israeli massacre machine for instance...Any taint that a journalist contributed to a gun going off would cause him to be drawn and quartered...I was amazed that Geraldo admitted to packing in Afghanistan. A taint of corruption in the media, taking bribes, Cowardice, might shame them into showing some concern for protecting human life in Israel and the US. Or how about this...Public Acclamation for uncovering the Wahabbi agenda...a carrot that promises them double their current viewer ratings without having to abandon their slovenly reporting ways...Sort of coopting the liberal media by absorbing them into the new patriotic external threat mode that we really are going to have to adopt...The press behaved rather like the democrats shortly after 9/11...They kind of basked in past glory of having a clean conscience without the self analysis and resultant loathing for what they are now. Purification granted not by the Wahabbi's but by the right...that's a whole days worth of thought, but I might try it...Jim Morrison said what people want is something Sacred...what can we offer the libs...hmmm. </ stream of consciousness>
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That's an old communist tactic. Arafat is trying exactly this. Pallies have become poorer and poorer the last decade. Pallie economy is trashed. These factors work for communist revolutionaries. On the other hand Israel and the USA are aware from history that these are tried and true tactics and will do best to counter them.
This is a war we need to win at the source, which is in the middle east. If you value our freedoms (and they don’t) moving against mosques or Islamic schools will be an exercise in futility. They know our freedoms, and just how far they can push the envelope. We’ll never stay ahead of them by suppressing our freedoms. Witness the multitudes of detentions after 9/11. Lots of deportations, I have no doubt that many cells were broken up, but not many prosecutions on serious charges. You’re right about the objectives of fundamental Islam, but if we defeat it overseas, the cells here will wither.
As you know, I'm uncertain that we're committed to winning it "over there".
After the Saudi Mullah's back off their zeal, I'm concerned that our remaining in-house cells might grow depressed and try to lead the rebirth of fanatacism by a particularly nasty symbolic immolation. I guess my point about curtailing the incitement to riot rhetoric at home is that every one of these guys that really internalizes this tripe is a loose cannon. I'm not sure waiting for the movement to wither is all that safe.
I can't remember who all I was corresponding with when I last brought this angle up, but I feel that the reason the death cult is so attractive is the sexual repression/release aspect of suiciding. These guys are not affected by long term exposure to friendly, decadent ,Westerners. They are innoculated against deprogramming in their little terror primer. Messages of moderation from the homeland may not connect through their lust fueled frenzy to get to Paradise and shuffle off the mortal coil.
As you know, I'm uncertain that we're committed to winning it "over there".
If you're referring to an inclusive "we" that embraces the liberal press...I'm certain "we're" NOT! based on watching the Lehrer hour a while ago...Those PBS talking heads can really suck the air out of room.
I admit, I don't want to get involved with Iran, it sounded a couple years ago like there was a generation gap that was threatening the fundamentalists...I'd like them to sit this out based on their history of enmity with Iraq. Syria is Israel Chow, and bon Appetit. I guess I'm repeating myself when I say that my concern is with missions and lunatics that are already deployed with improvised WMD's or worse. It sounds like Germany was playing Hostile-Youth Hostel for the 9/11 murderers. One thing I can agree with you on(I think) is that if the control link to real planners like Zawahiri is kept severed, then the foot soldiers are not going to be as successful as 9/11. God Willing, they'll ALL trip stepping off a curb and take out a mailbox or something. If we can get a real curriculum of how they were trained...Cyanide fabrication sounds like a common elective, we can guess the kind of improvised operations the lowlife infiltrators are likely to come up with while brainstorming around their tea sets(or at stripper clubs if they emulate Atta). That's the kind of background info I'd like to see the press step up to provide...What kind of shopping lists would these yokels know to order? How much cash are they likely to have on their person? Yada Yada
Okay, back to the Wahabbi home base question. In September, when the sun is low, we go into Iraq like the finger of God...Bunkers are no shelter/Hiding in the cities doesn't work because too few civilians are killed by precision bombs to turn Europe into an effective restraint on the US and Brits. The Saudi's turn up the volume on their Fatwas against Israel and the US...Mass protests erupt in all Islamic Populations. Maybe thats the time to tidy up our list of future deportees(and evaluating our foreign aid budget based on the quality of security provided our overseas personnel by host nations)...Pinpoint the provocateurs in the Mosques and demonstrations for surveillance. Again we see the advantage of a slow buildup...Waiting through summer allows more translators to graduate to help with the massive wave of new domestic Humint and Sigint generated by reactions to the "Genocide" in Iraq being perpetrated by the Israeli-loving US(smile when you say that). I think Bush is playing it cool with the Saudi's despite the Mullahs' rhetoric. Its possible that letting the Wahabbi's vent for 4 months might steal their thunder when the sky starts falling on Bagdad. It also allows time for coalitions to fall apart and economies to falter>(ie separating the targets from the chaff)...
So I'm back to thinking the INS restructuring had better be smart and quick, because rush hour is approaching. A good Bush paraphrase...The terrorists chose when to start this, but WE will end it at a time and place of our choosing. Or at least we'll pick when and where to strike the next blow, anyway.
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