Skip to comments.These are the changes that LePen would make if elected president of France [NYT]
Posted on 04/23/2002 1:20:15 PM PDT by summer
These are the changes that Jean-Marie Le Pen would seek to make if elected president of France, according to his campaign web site, www.lepen.tv :
o Outlaw abortion and end official recognition of same-sex unions.
o Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children.
o End legal immigration.
o Deport illegal immigrants and eliminate dual nationality.
o Give French citizens priority for all jobs and public housing; create a separate medical benefits system for foreigners working in France, so that French tax money would not be used for foreigners' care.
o Allow only French citizens to teach in French schools.
o Reinstitute morality classes; require student participation in patriotic events and holidays.
o Outlaw the wearing of yarmulkes and Muslim headscarves in schools.
o Create 200,000 new prison beds.
o Expand and give new rights to the police force.
What, *specificly*, is it about him you don't like? Which policies? His personality? What?
It's okay not to like him and want to see Le Pen lose, but it would be nice if there were reasons behind such a stance that we could discuss.
This is a plank that seems to have upset a lot of people here on FR. I'd like to make a few observations and comments about it.
First of all, when I was a wee lad here in the good ole US of A, we had all sort of patriotic and religious holidays which we did things for in class (this is public school, BTW). Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, Lincoln and Washington's birthdays, and so forth. We learned about the importance of these holidays and people and in so doing, learned important lessons about the things that made us distinctly American. If this is the sort of thing that Le Pen has in mind, then I agree with him as to its necessity.
Morality classes: just how would they be constituted? Would they be classes in which ethics and western morals were discussed and the philosophies which form the underpinning to Western Civilization examined? Or would they be mere indoctrination classes where the student sits and is required to learn lessons by rote, never questioning what they are taught? I would support the former, but not the latter. I suspect most here on FR would, too.
Le Pen Worries French Jews
Tue Apr 23, 9:14 AM ET
By PAMELA SAMPSON, Associated Press Writer
PARIS (AP) - The strong showing by far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen in the presidential qualifying round came as an unwelcome shock to many French Jews in a country where authorities say anti-Semitic attacks are at their highest level since World War II.
The vast majority of Jews shunned Le Pen at the polls Sunday, when he unexpectedly placed second and advanced to a runoff against incumbent Jacques Chirac, said Emmanuel Weintraub, spokesman for the Representative Council of French Jewish Groups in Paris.
"We have always been dead against Le Pen in the Jewish community, and we are not going to change," he said.
Le Pen, who has been accused of bigotry and anti-Semitism throughout his long political career, became notorious among Jews 15 years ago when he called Nazi gas chambers "a detail in World War II history."
The Union of Jewish Student of France announced it was organizing an anti-Le Pen rally in Paris next Sunday to express opposition to the themes he is associated with, primarily "intolerance, anti-Semitism and xenophobia."
Le Pen's triumph followed a wave of anti-Semitic attacks in Europe and particularly France, where violence against Jews has increased during 19 months of Israeli-Palestinian fighting and flared further amid Israel's recent West Bank offensive.
Muslim youths from immigrant families, themselves targets of Le Pen, have been blamed for much of the violence.
Leaders of the World Jewish Congress opened an emergency meeting Monday in Brussels, Belgium to assess the troubling trend of anti-Semitic attacks across Europe.
The congress hopes to wrap up the special session Tuesday with a call to European political leaders for improved protection and stronger support for Jewish communities, officials said.
Le Pen is not expected to beat Chirac in the May 5 runoff, but his strong showing 16.8 percent of the votes cast stoked the ongoing debate among French Jews over whether they are safe.
"A Chirac victory against Le Pen, influenced by the xenophobic right, could leave the Jewish community trapped between Muslim extremists and a revitalized, anti-Semitic extreme right," said Shimon Samuels of the Simon Weisenthal Center in Paris.
"Under such conditions, more and more French Jews will see their future elsewhere," Samuels said.
About 1,200 Jews leave France for Israel every year, and the Jewish state recently has stepped up efforts to persuade them to come. But Weintraub said most Jews here are committed French citizens and would stay put.
Some Jews even voted for Le Pen, whose tough-on-crime platform struck a chord in a nation where violent crime shot up 10 percent last year.
"There are Jews who voted for Le Pen, and they did it on the same grounds as any other Frenchman who is afraid of being robbed, of being mugged," Weintraub said.
Among the few Jews who voted for Le Pen, Weintraub said he believes "a very small minority" did so as an expression of anger over the upsurge in attacks on Jewish sites in the past year and a half.
Jewish leaders say disaffected youths from the France's large immigrant Muslim population are largely to blame, and those few Jewish votes that Le Pen got could be a way of lashing back, Weintraub said.
Le Pen is a virulent opponent of immigration, particularly from the Muslim countries in North Africa, and he blames immigrants for the soaring crime rate.
"This push, this constant foreign immigration will if a barrier is not erected eventually submerge our country, making it disappear," Le Pen said Monday.
In comments to reporters, Le Pen described himself as the "candidate of the French people" and said they had voted for him to overturn the political system.
As thousands of protesters took to the streets across France to denounce his success, Le Pen appealed for calm. "Change must be carried out peacefully," he said.
How about setting up a Ministry of Virtue and Vice?
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Yes --it's great. The leftists had turned against the Jews --- even in Washingon DC they thought they were very chic protesting and demonstrating their solidarity with Palestinians and calling for the end of Israel. Then Le Pen comes in second and the leftists start criticizing him for being anti-Jew. Suddenly the leftists who didn't think the suicide bombings were a big deal are pointing out a remark Le Pen made about the Holocaust being a detail in history.
Liberals, though, are mainly interested in poor and unmarried women, rather than women who are married to productive husbands.
If I equate Le Pen/Muslims with Duke/Blacks, then I can see why you would think that he is like David Duke. The difference is that American blacks are part of American culture while Algerian Muslims have chosen to live separate from French culture. David Duke is anti-American because blacks are definitly American. Algerians routinely boo the playing of the French national anthem. Algerian Muslims are violent towards French Jews. Algerian Muslims don't want to be French.Are French Jews part of French culture? Le Pen doesn't have much good to say about them either.
Do you have other information about Le Pen?
You should list the similarities between Le Pen and Duke. You can't and won't do it. You just want to save your own bigoted a-- by smearing someone else without evidence.Bullclinton.
Read the article that started this post and substitute "white Christian" for "French". You are very close to the Duke platform. There's also the little gem about how Moslems and Jews may not wear distinctive attire. I bet he doesn't want to ban cross-related items though.
Le Pen even uses the same dodge as Duke: he claims he's "pro French", not anti-anyone, while his agenda clearly says differently.
Le Pen is not anything similar to an American conservative.Then how would you vote if the Bill of Rights came up for a referendum?
But I would vote for an American presidential candidate with a similar platform in a New York minute.
Yes, they are. I'm not aware of any anti-semetic remarks by Le Pen other than his terribly insensitive remark about the gas chambers being unimportant. Buchannan has made a similar remark and has not been put on par with David Duke, and Jesse Jackson has called NYC "hymmetown" [s.i.c] and is not considered a racist on par with Duke either.
I don't excuse his remark. The French Jews have a legit concern. But there are different levels of racism. David Duke was the KKK - pretty extreme. I don't know where Le Pen's head is at. Are you aware of any other anti-semitism by Le Pen?
I don't excuse his remark. The French Jews have a legit concern. But there are different levels of racism. David Duke was the KKK - pretty extreme. I don't know where Le Pen's head is at. Are you aware of any other anti-semitism by Le Pen?How about his proposal to ban yarmulkas as well as Muslim headscarves in the schools? Mild anti-semitism to be sure, but unless he's also banning crosses on necklaces and the like, definitely a sign of a bias towards Jews.
When campaigning, Duke also restricted himself to such mild examples of bias.
He loses me when he starts talking about "only French citizens may teach in public schools" and "give French citizens priority for all jobs and public housing."
The person who gets the job should be the one best qualified and best able to carry it out efficiently and competently.
Once one gets away from this concept, it's just socialism with make-up.
The French are afraid that immigrants looking for a free ride are sucking up all the government money. If they made it so that only the French could teach the kids (a boost to the French national identity) and that only the French could get government housing and jobs, then maybe the incoming hordes of muslims would find some other country to take over, like Italy.
Morality? Whose morality? The government's? The Moslem's?
o Outlaw the wearing of yarmulkes and Muslim headscarves in schools.
Maybe it is okay in France to tell people how they may or may not observe thier religion, but here we have a constitutional amendment that spedifically prohibits it.
o Expand and give new rights to the police force.
Do I even need to elaborate?
Your head is full of "smoke". LePen reminds me of another patriot that was an American Hero. In the War of 1812, which we won, by the way, (does that bother yoy?)Capitan Stephen Decatur is quoted as saying "When in the course of human events may my country always be in the right, however, MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG" This is all that LePen is saying about his country. I take it you do not share this "feeling".That's by no means all he's saying. He's promoting a certain portion of the population (white Christians of French descent) and cloaking it in a form of neo-patriotism. If we wish to look for a match in American history, Decatur (who was speaking of foreign affairs) isn't it. The 19th century "Know Nothings" or the early 20th century Klan come much closer. Both claimed to be all about "Americanism", while hating many of the people who made up America. There's a more recent example in Germany as well.
Patriotism is a critical trait in a national leader, but it must be backed up with solid principles to be meaningful. As Samuel Johnson said: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".
Fast forward to some time in the future. France will be even more "diverse" than it is now, and we will see exactly what kind of a wonderland it becomes. I can't wait. Le Pen will look like a moderate in retrospect, and the Muslims, now 25% of the population (and breeding like rats) will be plotting to convert Notre Dame into a mosque.
You are a pathetic citizen. You are a man without a country. Just like Philip Nolan in the Hale story. "Breaths there a man with soul so dead to himself has never said, this is my own my native land" (close) My answer is yes, E Rocc. May God have mercy on him, he and his kind will get none from me!Are you completely insane? Excuse me for preferring those who can rationally defend their patriotism to those who shout it from the rooftops but deep down hate everything their nation is supposed to stand for.
America is the greatest nation that has ever been because of what we are and what we stand for, not simply because we exist.
This is one agenda that we could use here in the US.
I don't think the US Navy will agree to so many port calls.