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These are the changes that LePen would make if elected president of France [NYT]
NYT, from Le Pen's web site ^ | April 23, 2002 | NYT, from Le Pen's web site

Posted on 04/23/2002 1:20:15 PM PDT by summer

These are the changes that Jean-Marie Le Pen would seek to make if elected president of France, according to his campaign web site, www.lepen.tv :

o Outlaw abortion and end official recognition of same-sex unions.

o Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children.

o End legal immigration.

o Deport illegal immigrants and eliminate dual nationality.

o Give French citizens priority for all jobs and public housing; create a separate medical benefits system for foreigners working in France, so that French tax money would not be used for foreigners' care.

o Allow only French citizens to teach in French schools.

o Reinstitute morality classes; require student participation in patriotic events and holidays.

o Outlaw the wearing of yarmulkes and Muslim headscarves in schools.

o Create 200,000 new prison beds.

o Expand and give new rights to the police force.


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To: anniegetyourgun; E Rocc
Whatever they choose, it is interesting that someone with this platform is where he is right now.
51 posted on 04/23/2002 1:54:03 PM PDT by summer
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Some good ideas, some not so good, some down right dictatorial."

Care to break it down for us? I'm especially interested to know whch ones you feel are "down right dictatorial".

52 posted on 04/23/2002 1:55:52 PM PDT by slouper
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To: summer
Le Pen isn't going to win. All of the voters who voted for Jospin and all of the other leftist candidates will vote for Chirac in the second round. Le Pen doesn't have a chance.
53 posted on 04/23/2002 1:56:40 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: Irene Adler
You may be right - but I know from own experiences that the French want to remain French. And his platform says that's A-OK.
54 posted on 04/23/2002 1:57:44 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Other than the part about giving the police more powers, I don't have too much of a problem with that platform. Does anybody think that Le Pen has a chance to be elected? Not me. If all the socialist/leftists hold their noses and vote for Chirac, which I think they will do, Le Pen hasn't a chance in the world.
55 posted on 04/23/2002 1:57:46 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Nonstatist
The "President" of France can not do any of these things without a willing Parliament. Where's he going to get one of those?

Precisely. The President of France can do precious little. The Prime Minister has far more power, and there's little doubt that it will be another Socialist.

The President may have the ability to order nuclear weapons to be fired, though. I'm not sure.

56 posted on 04/23/2002 1:58:11 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: summer
Looks like a good agneda for any nation to me, except for the expanded police force and compulsory patriotism for students. Eurpopeans can't help loving intrusive governments, even when they are right about other fundamentals.
57 posted on 04/23/2002 1:59:40 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
Some of it sounds good...
o Deport illegal immigrants and eliminate dual nationality.
o Give French citizens priority for all jobs and public housing; create a separate medical benefits system for foreigners working in France, so that French tax money would not be used for foreigners' care.

But some of it are scary...
o Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children.
o Reinstitute morality classes; require student participation in patriotic events and holidays.
o Expand and give new rights to the police force.
58 posted on 04/23/2002 2:00:04 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: Dog Gone
The President may have the ability to order nuclear weapons to be fired, though. I'm not sure.

Good point there, Dog!
59 posted on 04/23/2002 2:00:50 PM PDT by summer
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To: OldFriend
VOTE FOR SLEAZE, NOT FASCISM!

Sounds like the election we had here in Louisiana several years back, when David Duke was running against Edwin:
"VOTE FOR THE CROOK! IT'S IMPORTANT!"

60 posted on 04/23/2002 2:02:32 PM PDT by geaux
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Anyone know his stance on gun control? That's the easiest way to sepparate the conservatives from the fascists. Do they want armed, responsible citizens, or unarmed victims?
61 posted on 04/23/2002 2:03:08 PM PDT by wilyquadruped
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To: Frohickey
But some of it are scary... o Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children

Yes, but that is not nearly as scary as nations which have policies of decreasing the birthrate through abortion and sterilisation, yet those countries somehow get a pass on our moral indignation.

62 posted on 04/23/2002 2:04:35 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: summer
With a few reservations and qualifications, I can sign on to this guy. Some people seem to think it's fascist to regard the well being of your own citizens before the rights of interlopers. I do not understand that logic.
63 posted on 04/23/2002 2:04:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: summer
Summer, thanks for the post. The media has been very unforthcoming on all of Le Pen's views it seems. After reading this post, I support Le Pen and think that America needs him, too!
64 posted on 04/23/2002 2:04:45 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: summer
Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children.

HELLO-O-O-O???!!!!

Are there really Freepers who would support such a program? Would you support a politician in the US who advocated paying mothers to stay home and raise babies? Are you guys nuts?

65 posted on 04/23/2002 2:06:03 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
You're welcome. With all due respect to you, I don't share the view you expressed, but, I was very interested in reading his platform -- and I do realize there are people who will support it.
66 posted on 04/23/2002 2:06:34 PM PDT by summer
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To: Shermy
Well, Le Pen is not really a guy to be proud of. Although some of his election points are nice, he is too far to the right for comfort.

Labour in the UK is afraid to lose voters because of the failed integration in the UK. The left made it impossible for people to discuss that problem, and now they know people will turn against them.

67 posted on 04/23/2002 2:07:23 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Frohickey
Frohickey wrote:
But some of it are scary...
o Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children. France is facing a huge demographic problem. There are not enough French babies being born. There are 1.75 children per married woman. This is below the replacement rate of 2.1. However, this figure does not tell the whole story.
There are only 1.3 Children per French-French woman. There are 3.5 Children for 10% of the population that is Muslim. The generation under 10 is now 1/4 Muslim.
The battle of Poitiers is being undone by immigration and low reproduction of French. The sad part is taht this is occuring in every European country. The only country with replacement rate childbirth is Albania, and most of them are Muslim! At this rate, Europe will be muslim in a century!

o Reinstitute morality classes; require student participation in patriotic events and holidays.
This is far better than the PC crap instituted in French schools these days.

o Expand and give new rights to the police force.
I understand your concern. The real question is what powers do the police have now?
From what I have read, police have virtually no search rights in France.

68 posted on 04/23/2002 2:09:28 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: summer
Drudge website has indicated with inserts headed about the distress and hysteria of the British Press. It has given them something to howl about- as if THEY were all that bothered by a Le Pen. The London Daily Mirror is to the fore in this business of screaming about Le Pen.

It could be said of the Mirror ,that it is like an old fashioned woman, of my era in that country. The Mirror has had a jolly good old cry and enjoyed every minute of it.

Few critics anywhere will have actually perused what this man has to say. They just get something second hand and use it as gospel. Herewith a quote:

"The totalitarianisms which modern liberals denounce, and upon which they frequently project their own guilt and insecurity....." From Authority and Delinquency. Author, Alex Comfort. 1950 Routledge and Kegan Paul Ltd. Note that I do not indicate what I think of Le Pen, being as there are two sides to every story.

69 posted on 04/23/2002 2:10:11 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: knighthawk
He is, at a minimum, creepy IMO.
70 posted on 04/23/2002 2:10:15 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: E Rocc
He's closer to David Duke than anything else.

I agree. Once his changes are made..there's no going back. Sounds very much like Germany in the late 1930's.

71 posted on 04/23/2002 2:10:32 PM PDT by stanz
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To: Republicus2001;summer
STAY HOME and raise kids is what LIBERALS in this country have proposed...

We pay women to stay home and HAVE kids, but I don't see them doing much raising.

72 posted on 04/23/2002 2:12:15 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Maceman
Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children.

HELLO-O-O-O???!!!! Are there really Freepers who would support such a program?

We already have a program like that at my house, and it didn't take the government to institute it. But then, we're not French either.

73 posted on 04/23/2002 2:12:24 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: rmlew
There are only 1.3 Children per French-French woman. There are 3.5 Children for 10% of the population that is Muslim. The generation under 10 is now 1/4 Muslim.

This is the same situation here in the US in some respects: the increase in population (due to the reproductive rates) of Hispanics is about 15%; for blacks it is about 9%; but for whites, I think it is less than 2%.
74 posted on 04/23/2002 2:12:42 PM PDT by summer
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To: knighthawk
As for "integration", it expecially failed because that is not the dominant, front line ideology of the "left." Blair, et al. may think so, but they're lost. Multiculturalism is the rave, with denigration of local values, "cultural space" (lebensraum) for other "cultures," enforced "diversity," and separation. It is not an integrationist ideology, but separatist. Philosophically close to apartheid.
75 posted on 04/23/2002 2:14:03 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: summer
I think restricting or eliminating the immigration of Muslims makes perfect sense for France. In every country where they become a sizeable minority - and they are now a sizeable minority in France - they develop separatist and violent tendencies. Why should the French play Russian roulette with freedom by allowing even more Muslims in than there already are?
76 posted on 04/23/2002 2:14:43 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: summer
I see London,
I see France,
I see Chirac
Doing a victory dance.

As interesting as this is, LePen has the proverbial snowball's chance to win the presidency.

77 posted on 04/23/2002 2:15:08 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
LOL....yes, but it is interesting.
78 posted on 04/23/2002 2:15:51 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
The difference is that blacks and Hispanics are not likely to develop into a violent, separitist movement, as usually seems to happen when Muslims reach critical mass in a country. I think I sizeable Muslim minority in a country seriously jeopardizes the survival of democratic institutions.
79 posted on 04/23/2002 2:17:29 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: summer
Expand and give new rights to the police force.

This guy is very scary.

A whole squadron of cheese eating surrender monkey police officers ripping the yarmalukes off people's heads is a bit too 1939 for me.

80 posted on 04/23/2002 2:17:36 PM PDT by Vladiator
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To: The South Texan
That's right, Texan, he's too American and too nationalistic to suit the Marxists.
81 posted on 04/23/2002 2:18:37 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: summer
Well, the beauty of all this is it will give the leftists on two hemispheres the fits. This alone is worth the effort.

LePen should add another plank to his platform: a complete ban on Jerry Lewis.

82 posted on 04/23/2002 2:18:50 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: summer
pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children

Another politician appealing to the welfare bums [yawn].

83 posted on 04/23/2002 2:19:00 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: summer
Reinstitute morality classes; require student participation in patriotic events and holidays.

The horror...

The horror...

84 posted on 04/23/2002 2:20:47 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: summer
Why would you not support this guy? Aside from Outlawing the wearing of yarmulkes and Muslim headscarves in schools. That's a little over the top. Giving extra rights to the police? What rights do they have or not have? I cannot tell on that one. The rest of his proposals sound good. Maybe he can run in the US.
85 posted on 04/23/2002 2:21:08 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Khepera
A lot of reasons, many of which have been mentioned by others on this thread. But, I agree with the essence of what you are saying -- believe me, I realize there are many people who would vote for this guy.
86 posted on 04/23/2002 2:22:11 PM PDT by summer
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To: Steve_Seattle
That's right. Why should the French play Russian Roulette with their freedoms by allowing more Muslims? Why should anyone, for that matter?
87 posted on 04/23/2002 2:23:12 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: summer
No chance we can get him to run for President of the USofA is there?
88 posted on 04/23/2002 2:23:23 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Maceman
Would you support a politician in the US who advocated paying mothers to stay home and raise babies?

If so, here are a few graphics for your get-out-the-vote campaigns:


89 posted on 04/23/2002 2:25:46 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b
That was one of the big surprised to me -- his position on that issue is in fact the liberal position in this country.
90 posted on 04/23/2002 2:26:54 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
surprises...
91 posted on 04/23/2002 2:27:16 PM PDT by summer
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To: Charles Martel
"Does your minkey byte?" No, wait. That was a different animal. Nevermind.
92 posted on 04/23/2002 2:27:28 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: summer
He loses me when he starts talking about "only French citizens may teach in public schools" and "give French citizens priority for all jobs and public housing."

The person who gets the job should be the one best qualified and best able to carry it out efficiently and competently.

Once one gets away from this concept, it's just socialism with make-up.

93 posted on 04/23/2002 2:28:06 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: summer
He has a few good ideas until you get to these :

Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children.

Outlaw the wearing of yarmulkes and Muslim headscarves in schools.

Expand and give new rights to the police force.

Sounds like Hitler all over again.

94 posted on 04/23/2002 2:28:58 PM PDT by texlok
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To: Maceman
OK let your wife stay home and raise the kids while you work. I guarantee you will pay far less taxes and get a hefty refund check. Right here in the good ol USA. Maybe that’s what he is talking about.
95 posted on 04/23/2002 2:29:34 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Loyalist
ditto
96 posted on 04/23/2002 2:30:11 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: summer
I agree with most of his proposals, but the ones about "requiring" students to participate in patriotic events, giving police "new" powers, and creating 200,000 prison beds* give me pause- the last two sound like something Hillary Clinton or Janet Reno might propose.

*- I agree with this one is he wants to use the space to house violent or repeat offenders.

97 posted on 04/23/2002 2:30:15 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: E Rocc
Le Pen is not anything similar to an American conservative.

But I would vote for an American presidential candidate with a similar platform in a New York minute.

98 posted on 04/23/2002 2:30:26 PM PDT by varon
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To: summer
Yep -- it shows that Big Government is all of a piece.

(Now, where can I find a pic of Daschole as unflattering as the ones of Teddy Boy and McCommie...?)

99 posted on 04/23/2002 2:30:41 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: All
Le Pen will not win, but it's fun to see the leftists in agony.....
100 posted on 04/23/2002 2:33:30 PM PDT by Malcolm
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