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Adam Smith - The Invisible Hand Speaks.
Personal Archives | 04-23-02 | PsyOp

Posted on 04/23/2002 6:45:48 PM PDT by PsyOp

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Talk to the hand!
1 posted on 04/23/2002 6:45:49 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Marine Inspector; infowars; 2Trievers; sleavelessinseattle; Righty1; twyn1; mountaineer...
Another day, another post.

P.S. Does anyone know the code for making an indent after a break, or for inserting an extra space between characters? Please let me know.

2 posted on 04/23/2002 6:48:39 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Bump for good economics.
3 posted on 04/23/2002 6:53:31 PM PDT by weikel
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To: PsyOp
?No external force, no coercion, no violation of freedom is necessary to produce cooperation among individuals all of whom can benefit. That is why, as Adam Smith put it, an individual who ?intends only his own gain? is led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention.? - Milton and Rose Friedman

Bump for Milton Friedman, greatest economist of the 20th century.

4 posted on 04/23/2002 6:55:18 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: PsyOp
You da man Psyops........put me on your Ping list
5 posted on 04/23/2002 6:57:38 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: PsyOp
Great post...Adam Smith had some mind.
7 posted on 04/23/2002 7:03:34 PM PDT by Lewite
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To: rbmillerjr
You are.
8 posted on 04/23/2002 7:04:33 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Great series of quotes.
The only displeasure I get from them is that I was forced to waste time in high school
with pedestrian classes like "Survey of The American Short Story" when I could
have been studying something substantive like Smith's philosophy.
9 posted on 04/23/2002 7:06:32 PM PDT by VOA
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Wherever there is great property there is great inequality. For one very rich man there must be at least five-hundred poor, and the affluence of the few supposes the indigence of the many. The affluence of the rich excites the indignation of the poor, who are often both driven by want, and prompted by envy, to invade his possessions. - Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, 1776.

This sounds like socialist/communist crap! In a small "c" capitolist system, every wins! All boats get lifted, just some more than others.

10 posted on 04/23/2002 7:09:04 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Whoops... "capitolist system, every wins!"="capitalist system, everyone wins!"
11 posted on 04/23/2002 7:09:59 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: VOA
I was forced to waste time in high school.

Weren't we all. But it was a High School English Teacher by the name of Mr. O'Brien (a great Irishman felled by a brain tumor) who launched me on the collection of quotations- the best thing I ever got out the High School experience. Or as Winston would have said:

"It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations." - Winston Churchill, My Early Life, 1930.

12 posted on 04/23/2002 7:15:21 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: AmericaUnited
This sounds like socialist/communist crap!

At first glance it appears to be. But This quote needs to be put in its larger context to be understood. He was citing the reasons that politicians often use to make their assaults on private property and for levying high-taxes, both of which he opposed.

In England in 1776 it was true that for every rich man there were 500 poor. As for the rest of the quote, it is merely an accurate observation of human nature, which Smith said had to be accounted for in economics and the policies governing them. By no means did he say these were justifications for any kind of socialist policy, though I can see why you might have thought that.

13 posted on 04/23/2002 7:31:22 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: AmericaUnited
Smith spoke as it was, not as he wished it to be. The poor, quite naturaly, often desire to gain the possesions of the rich (so do some whom could scarcely be considered poor!). Of course, when done by honest means, ie hard work and self-advancement through your own labors, this is a fine thing, but when men stoop to dishonest and evil means of securing another's wealth, then we have situations such as socialism. As long as there are poor people (and there always be poor people by one standard or another) some of them will desire to seize another's wealth. It does not mean, of course, that they are at all right in doing so, and I do not think Smith intended it as such!
14 posted on 04/23/2002 7:34:47 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: AmericaUnited
Wherever there is great property there is great inequality. For one very rich man there must be at least five-hundred poor, and the affluence of the few supposes the indigence of the many. The affluence of the rich excites the indignation of the poor, who are often both driven by want, and prompted by envy, to invade his possessions. - Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, 1776.

This sounds like socialist/communist crap! In a small "c" capitolist system, every wins! All boats get lifted, just some more than others.

You have to remember the time and place. That was a fair picture of late 18th century England. In his day young noble rakes would lose 10,000 pounds gambling in one night. They had wealth which would make Bill Gates look like a pauper. Smith would have never been read at that time if he had advocated radical Jacobin ideas like the poor getting a fair shot at anything.

15 posted on 04/23/2002 7:42:58 PM PDT by SR71A
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To: PsyOp
Here are a few more snippets from Smith you may like:

"Those exertions of the natural liberty of a few individuals, which might endanger the security of the whole society, are, and ought to be, restrained by the laws of all governments."


"Our merchants and master manufacturers complain much of the bad effects of high wages in raising the price, and thereby lessening the sale of their goods both at home and abroad. They say nothing concerning the bad effects of high profits."


"Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all."


" Such regulations [banking regulations] may, no doubt, be considered as in some respect a violation of natural liberty. But those exertions of the natural liberty of a few individuals, which might endanger the security of the whole society, are, and ought to be, restrained by the laws of all governments; of the most free, as well as of the most despotical. The obligation of building party walls, in order to prevent the communcation of fire, is a violation of natural liberty, exactly of the same kind with the regulations of the banking trade which are here proposed."


"Whenever the legislature attempts to regulate the differences between masters and their workmen, its counsellors are always the masters. When the regulation, therefore, is in favour of the workmen, it is always just and equitable; but it is sometimes otherwise when in favour of the masters."


"The capricious ambition of kings and ministers has not, during the present and the preceding century, been more fatal to the repose of Europe, than the impertinent jealousy of merchants and manufacturers. The violence and injustice of the rulers of mankind is an ancient evil, for which, I am afraid, the nature of human affairs can scarce admit of a remedy. But the mean rapacity, the monopolizing spirit of merchants and manufacturers, who neither are, nor ought to be, the rulers of mankind, though it cannot perhaps be corrected, may very easily be prevented from disturbing the tranquillity of any body but themselves."

16 posted on 04/23/2002 7:58:08 PM PDT by mykej
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To: Thane_Banquo; Norvokov
Bump for Milton Friedman, greatest economist of the 20th century. (Thane)

Best economist of the 20th century? Bullcrap.. (Norvokov)

Probably a better, or at least equal choice would be Freidrich Hayek, author of The Road to Serfdom

I'll copy that main quote from the web page:

A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers

Adam Smith was the greatest economist of his time, but not for today.

17 posted on 04/23/2002 8:01:30 PM PDT by SR71A
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To: mykej
Thanks. Are those from Wealth of Nations or some other works?
18 posted on 04/23/2002 8:02:46 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp; Cleburne; SR71A
A sincere thanks for to all for the additional commentary.
19 posted on 04/23/2002 8:03:29 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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