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Bill to give feds control of zoning kept private
Washington Times ^ | Friday, April 26, 2002 | By Audrey Hudson

Posted on 04/25/2002 11:26:34 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:53:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Senate Democrats yesterday barred the public from a committee meeting and vote on a land-use bill that opponents believe will impose federal standards on local zoning boards.

"This was no accident; this was a purposeful sham," said Mike Hardiman, spokesman for the American Land Rights Association, who lined up shortly after 8 a.m. to attend the 9:30 a.m. hearing in the Dirksen Senate Office Building. He said the senators were trying to pass an indefensible bill in secret.


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Friday, April 26, 2002

Quote of the Day by jobedo 4/26/02

1 posted on 04/25/2002 11:26:34 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Feds get off of our necks!!!
2 posted on 04/25/2002 11:29:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: JohnHuang2
Feds, get off of our necks!!!
3 posted on 04/25/2002 11:29:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: *Landgrab;editor-surveyor

4 posted on 04/25/2002 11:33:11 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Get the U.N. off our neck. This legislation of Clinton copies to the last detail how the U.N. wants our communities to be set up.
5 posted on 04/25/2002 11:36:52 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: JohnHuang2
Except for National Security matters, the federal government has NO valid reason for conducting ANY business in the dark. It is high time that America demand our Senate "Royals" be servants to the people.
6 posted on 04/25/2002 11:50:38 PM PDT by Buffalo Bob
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To: sailor4321
Which one will it be?
7 posted on 04/25/2002 11:58:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: JohnHuang2
Private? What is this? Russia? Did we elect gods to DC? Are they all knowing and we are just pions?

So, when HIllary kept "private" her list of friends who helped her create a communistic health care system, what did you think about that?

8 posted on 04/26/2002 12:02:32 AM PDT by antidemocommie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Don't worry, I'm sure Bush will veto it. He's a big land rights guy, isn't he?
9 posted on 04/26/2002 12:12:22 AM PDT by joeyman
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To: Buffalo Bob
Amen.
10 posted on 04/26/2002 12:31:45 AM PDT by Mugwumps
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Indexing
12 posted on 04/26/2002 12:50:29 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: JohnHuang2
The right to private property is under attack by these fascists - corrupt socialists taking effective control of the factors of production: land, labor, management, and capital. Tyranny by regulation, "under penalty of law". Your rights will be only what the government says they will be. Clintonazis still control the agenda.
13 posted on 04/26/2002 1:30:35 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: SevenDaysInMay
unbelievable, but so expected.
14 posted on 04/26/2002 2:54:59 AM PDT by Beamer
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To: Buffalo Bob
"It is high time that America demand our Senate "Royals" be servants to the people."

It's been high time for a long time, but IMO, it's too late.

Carolyn

15 posted on 04/26/2002 3:17:55 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: JohnHuang2
So if you have cockroaches in your back yard where you want to build your tool shed, you will now have to apply to Washington and then hope the Sierra Communist Club isn't protesting in your driveway.
16 posted on 04/26/2002 4:42:28 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: JohnHuang2
Hopefully this an be used to help defeat Baucus in Montana.

"Max wants the Federal Government in charge of local zoning, remember that November 6th."

17 posted on 04/26/2002 5:14:25 AM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: JohnHuang2; Carry_Okie; Geopolitics; Gov_Watch; Black Jade; M1991; cdwright; mbb bill; Zoey...
"Voting in favor were Mr. Chafee, fellow Republican Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania, and Democrats Max Baucus of Montana, Harry Reid of Nevada, Bob Graham of Florida, Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, Barbara Boxer of California, Ron Wyden of Oregon, Thomas R. Carper of Delaware, Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, Jon Corzine of New Jersey and and Mr. Jeffords."
Guys, "They wouldn't do that!" Peace and love, George.
18 posted on 04/26/2002 5:15:10 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: SevenDaysInMay
I sat in a college class with a guest speaker several ago, the local state Senator. He said that PA had among the strictest property rights of all the states and he believed the state needed to call a constitutional convention to change that, that property needed to be subject to more environmental concerns. Couldn't believe my ears. And he was a Republican. A sad day!
19 posted on 04/26/2002 6:13:23 AM PDT by twigs
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To: JohnHuang2
And these are the same people who want Tom Ridge to testify, Cheney to provide everything he's ever written, and so on. They make me sick....
20 posted on 04/26/2002 6:28:48 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: SevenDaysInMay
Solution = Be An "Outlaw"

Believe you me when I tell you that when there are enough laws everyone will be an outlaw and government will be by fiat of those in power. The obvious solution is to be an outlaw now and get it over with. If they try to take your land "legally" , shoot them! You're gonna loose it anyway. Might as well make them pay for it, in blood. There's a saying where I come from, if you're gonna be a bear, be a GRIZZLY BEAR. It all comes down to how much each side is willing to loose. And the side willing to loose the most will win. When the fednazi corpses start piling up they will have to rethink their policy or cease to exist.

If you're not willing to loose, you've already lost and you might as well hand them the keys to your house, car, land, wives,husbands, and children.

LIVE FREE , DIE FREE!!

21 posted on 04/26/2002 6:42:23 AM PDT by LORDLOBO
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To: anniegetyourgun
Good point!

I hope Baucus gets dragged over the coals for this. Montanans are not exactly the type that want the Feds controlling local laws. The GOP better attack him hard and fast on this one.

I just about fell out of my chair the other day when Chuckie Schumer was debating the ethanol portion of the energy bill on the Senate the other day. He had the gall to say, "well, I just don't see why a small group or region like this can dictate what the rest of the country does." Gee Chuck, seems those of us in the West of been saying that about you Northeasterners for some time now. Interesting isn't it that there is no Federal land in your region of the country, but west of the Mississippi is practically one big Federal play ground. But of course, you guys don't even want us to be able to play in that ground either. Aaaaarghh!

22 posted on 04/26/2002 7:11:51 AM PDT by Wphile
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To: SevenDaysInMay
What's 'private property'? Just like everyone else in America, I rent my land from the government. Whenever I stop paying my rent (they call it 'taxes'), then they kick me off their land and rent it to someone else.
23 posted on 04/26/2002 7:12:46 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: JohnHuang2
The respondents here, so far, are forgetting a crucial point. We no longer have a Republic. We now live in the AmeriKan Empire.

As a result, our society will become more socialistic and a police state. It's time to wake up to the facts. The time will come when we, THE PEOPLE, have to choose sides and, as Jefferson put it, "feed the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants." (maybe not an exact quote, but close enough).

24 posted on 04/26/2002 7:17:49 AM PDT by dixierat22
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To: joeyman
Oh yeah, he's a big time land rights man, his own that is. Of course the U.N. isn't going to tell him when and if he can cut down brush and trees in Crawford, they can only tell other Americans when, if and how.
25 posted on 04/26/2002 7:20:29 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: JohnHuang2
Any federally regulated "zoning bill", meant to further Clinton's enviro-fascism policies is NOT good for the public. Arlen SPECK-toooooooor, you prove yourself a RINO moron once again. This is an official and heartfelt message from YOUR district in PA. Sponsorship from Judas Jeffords isn't entirely unexpected.

The fact that the Senate is being so secretive only proves it's Unconstitutional.

Is there anything we can do at this point?

26 posted on 04/26/2002 7:21:38 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: anniegetyourgun
And these are the same people who want Tom Ridge to testify, Cheney to provide everything he's ever written, and so on. They make me sick....

deserves a repeat, bump

27 posted on 04/26/2002 7:25:49 AM PDT by lonestar
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28 posted on 04/26/2002 7:42:21 AM PDT by madfly
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29 posted on 04/26/2002 7:44:50 AM PDT by madfly
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30 posted on 04/26/2002 7:51:06 AM PDT by madfly
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To: JohnHuang2
Constitution Subcommittee Reviews Federal Land Use Proposal

Hearing allows opponents to voice concerns

Washington, DC - Congressman Steve Chabot (R, Cincinnati) held a hearing Thursday in the Constitution Subcommittee to review the Department of Housing and Urban Development's "Growing Smart Legislative Guidebook" which contains recommendations and sample legislation for changing state and local land use laws.

The $2 million, seven-year project was sponsored by HUD and drafted by the American Planning Association. Although HUD had the opportunity to disapprove the Guidebook or attach dissenting views, they failed to exercise these rights, thus making the Guidebook an official federal government work product. Additionally, concerns have been raised about the disproportionate composition of the "Directorate" that developed the Guidebook - only one member of the regulated community served on the Directorate while 29 representatives of the regulating community were included.

More here.

31 posted on 04/26/2002 7:54:49 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: JohnHuang2; CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour...
The bill establishes a federal grant program that would pay to communities 90 percent of the cost of updating local zoning regulations. The subsidies would go to municipalities that meet guidelines established under the Clinton administration to "improve environmental policy" and avert "loss of community character," terms opponents call code words for anti-development regulations.      

The bill's sponsors are Sens. James M. Jeffords, Vermont independent, and Lincoln Chaffee, Rhode Island Republican.

With a little asphalt, Connecticut and Vermont would make damn fine parking lots.

Anyone else for a federal land grab of 50% of New England? It's what we in the West have to live with, and I want equal protection under the law. Of course, they could return control of our States to us, and butt out of our business.

Every time someone in the Northeast farts, they think they've had a brainstorm or special revelation for the rest of ust to live by. It's ever more difficult not to wish them ill.




33 posted on 04/26/2002 8:00:39 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Anyone else for a federal land grab of 50% of New England?

I've been saying this FOR YEARS!!! Personnally, I prefer starting with the whole state of Massachusetts.

34 posted on 04/26/2002 8:04:59 AM PDT by Wphile
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To: madfly
So is the text of this bill "We are confiscating all your land All Your Base are Belong to us".
35 posted on 04/26/2002 8:15:42 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Wphile
Hey there are rightwingers in Mass you know...
36 posted on 04/26/2002 8:16:24 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Wphile
And some of our neighboring states have recently surpassed us in liberalism( its not as bad here as it was when Mass was the only State which voted for commie McGovern).
37 posted on 04/26/2002 8:18:02 AM PDT by weikel
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To: lonestar
And these are the same people who want Tom Ridge to testify, Cheney to provide everything he's ever written, and so on.  They make me sick....

deserves a repeat, bump

Heck, that deserves two bumps and a bold!

38 posted on 04/26/2002 8:20:02 AM PDT by TLI
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To: weikel
Are you planning on STAYING there?

If so, how about Vermont then? Connecticut would work too.

39 posted on 04/26/2002 8:20:27 AM PDT by Wphile
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To: Sabertooth
There is too much leeching out into the nation of liberal yankees fleeing the mess they created back home. They are like cancer or locust leaving nothing behind them but destruction.
40 posted on 04/26/2002 8:20:51 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: TLI
And these are the same people who want Tom Ridge to testify, Cheney to provide everything he's ever written, and so on. They make me sick....

I'll second that!

41 posted on 04/26/2002 8:22:37 AM PDT by Wphile
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To: Wphile
Whether I stay here or not following College entirely depends on where the best place to go to make money is( and it may well be here since I am in Engineering and Mass is a hight tech state). Vermont and Connecticut are the two neighbors who have recently become more liberal than Mass IMHO( how did you guess LOL).
42 posted on 04/26/2002 8:25:01 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Wphile
I'll 3rd it COngress has no buisness knowing any military information at all they will blab it to the press( and that is speaking as a critic of Dubya's recent leftward tilt).
43 posted on 04/26/2002 8:26:14 AM PDT by weikel
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To: MissAmericanPie
Are the ones that flee liberal? I might be one of those "evil Yankees" one day.
44 posted on 04/26/2002 8:27:13 AM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
Just a simple deduction on my part! LOL!
45 posted on 04/26/2002 8:34:40 AM PDT by Wphile
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To: JohnHuang2
This form of federal "land grab" is one of the many reasons why one of the first things Bill Clinton in his first 90 days of office was to fire 83 sitting judges, and have them replaced with those of his own ilk. It made it easier to change the laws, corrupt the laws, misinterpret the laws, and abuse the laws, all under the guise of democracy. It also made it easier for the government to redistribute what they interpret as "corporate" wealth via litigation (e.g. tobacco law suits, Microsoft law suit, Enron, etc.)

Right now the justice system is being used by those who do not believe in free enterprise, individual rights, freedoms, or the constitution. In fact, we are now at a point in our society where we are automatically guilty until proven innocent. Blind justice? You bet.

Democrats have always manipulated individual rights by negating them altogether. It is easier to do this with the courts. And, they continue to do it behind closed doors with our tax dollars - to negate the freedoms our forefathers fought for. One of those freedoms is my right to my property - not their right to my property.

47 posted on 04/26/2002 8:53:32 AM PDT by tomball
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To: madfly
One constant factor is that idiots never learn. They never learn to stop messing with stuff and they never learn to stop voting for morons. The vast majority of environmental meddling has resulted in abject failure yet they keep on mucking it up. Too bad they resent intelligence but I guess it doesn't add to their political incomes.
48 posted on 04/26/2002 9:01:04 AM PDT by Lady Jag
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To: weikel
The experience here in Texas is that they move down here and almost immediatly run for city council, burrow their way into everything from dog catcher to church deacon to elected office, then begin promoting their socialist nazi agenda.
49 posted on 04/26/2002 9:11:55 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Well I may be a future carpetbagger but not a socialist or Nazi one.
50 posted on 04/26/2002 9:15:51 AM PDT by weikel
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