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The myth of socialization: Kyle Williams debunks lies about home-schooling
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, April 27, 2002 | Kyle Williams

Posted on 04/27/2002 2:36:15 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

By looking at the e-mails to the editor this week, questions about home-schooling are still in play. Along with doubts about the home-schooling atmosphere and educational results, there is large concern over whether home-schoolers are properly socialized.

These concerns are spread throughout America, accusing home-schoolers, because they are educated at home with a loving parent, of not learning the necessary socialization skills required in later life.

I, as a home-schooler, am tired of my intelligence being insulted every time I turn around. Probably the most fabricated or misconstrued idea about home-schooling is that the child is inhibited from obtaining essential socialization skills.

The largest group spreading this disinformation is the National Education Association. In its 2000-2001 Resolutions, it writes, "The National Education Association believes that home schooling programs cannot provide the student with a comprehensive education experience."

In a letter to NEA President Bob Chase, the National Home Education Network wrote asking what their resolution regarding home schooling was based on. He replied, saying, "During the 1998 [Representative Assembly], delegates approved the policy on homeschooling. They were concerned that homeschooled students were not provided a comprehensive education experience because they did not have an opportunity to interact with students of different cultures, economic status or learning styles." In other words, because I stayed at home with my mother, brother and sister and not several hundred other children down the street, I will fail.

It is obvious that home-schooling has stepped in the way of the NEA's agenda, and because of the fact that home-schoolers make up less than 1 percent of the American population, groups such as the NEA are able to spread this obvious disinformation and deceit.

The premise of the war against home-schooling is that children do not obtain the needed socialization skills. By agreeing with that, you have to concede the point that public schools, private schools, etc., are the only source for socializing.

Ever hear of church, sports, community events or neighbors down the block? Many home-schoolers, such as myself, play sports, go to church, attend community events, play musical instruments and many other things.

Maybe if public schools learned from home-schoolers and focused less on socializing in class and focused more on learning, the average test score for public school students might be greater than 50 percent.

Critics state that the majority of home-schoolers are antisocial. In contrast, dare I suggest that, in proportion, there are more antisocial students in public schools rather than home-schools.

With one-on-one learning action with parents, many home-schoolers are able to communicate far better with adults, compared to their public-schooled peers – leading to a greater success in the future.

Because of the rough peer pressure (pressure to have sex, use drugs, commit crime, cheat on tests, or pressure to commit other unethical behavior) and social situations, many are left out in the cold by other pupils – unlike the alternative choice of home-schooling.

Tied to the antisocial claim is that home-schoolers will most likely fail in later life – quite humorous. Even if you were to concede that home-school students are antisocial in grade school, saying that they will fail in later life because of it is nothing short of absurd. Just because a person is not a part of the "group" in their childhood does not mean they can't communicate in the present or future.

Although home-schoolers make up less than 1 percent of the population, you find home-schoolers winning the national spelling and geography bees, as well as being Rhodes Scholars, doctors, politicians, presidents, founding fathers and much more.

The start of the public education system only began in the previous century, but using the NEA's logic, all people educated before 1900, including all the founding fathers, government officials, doctors, lawyers and people from all occupations were not given a comprehensive education experience and not properly socialized.

So, stop the spread of this deceit and disinformation. The NEA says that I have not obtained the necessary socialization skills (or communication skills), but I just communicated information, facts and my beliefs to you.


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Saturday, April 27, 2002

Quote of the Day by Poohbah 4/27/02

1 posted on 04/27/2002 2:36:15 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Mr. Williams is quite correct in his debunking of that socialization myth. What a guy! Great things ahead for young Mr. Williams.
2 posted on 04/27/2002 2:50:59 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy
And he's only 13 years old. His parents must be beaming with pride.
3 posted on 04/27/2002 2:55:02 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: *HomeSchool_list;*Education News

4 posted on 04/27/2002 3:19:30 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: JohnHuang2
BOOKMARKED
Education BUMP
5 posted on 04/27/2002 3:19:53 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: JohnHuang2
And he's only 13 years old. His parents must be beaming with pride.

There are a couple of points where this article still needs a little bit of polishing, but... dang! I wouldn't have thought it was written by a 13-year-old who looks like this:

I'll tell you what else. I'll bet you a hundred dollars to a doughnut Kyle actually knows how to talk to an adult. Intelligently and sociably.

I'm thinking right now of the 13-year-old public-schooled boy who used to live in our old neighborhood... {shudder}

6 posted on 04/27/2002 4:16:38 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: JohnHuang2
Nice post.

Which socialization is the NEA most concerned about? That which occurs on the scool bus or that which occurs on the playground?

Children able to make friends with adults? Scandalous!

The NEA has their head in the sand when it comes to home schooling.

7 posted on 04/27/2002 4:34:23 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: john in missouri
I'll bet you ... Kyle actually knows how to talk to an adult. Intelligently and sociably.

Maybe, but I bet he's way behind on making body function sounds, telling rude jokes, and making fun of other kids. (As far as I can tell, that's what they mean by "socialization.")

8 posted on 04/27/2002 5:02:06 AM PDT by Gil4
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To: JohnHuang2
BUMPING for my homeschooled nieces & nephews!

("socialization"...give me a break....I know!..let's promote kids who can't read or write onto higher grades because it's better for them "socially" to move up with their peers. Yeah - that happens ALL THE TIME in the real world, doesn't it? Sure, my husband was just promoted to VP because the guy that sat next to him was...and the company wanted to be fair.....NOT!).

9 posted on 04/27/2002 5:17:02 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: ZinGirl
You all don't understand the code. When the NEA says that home schooled students are not properly socialized, what they mean is that they are not properly brain washed into accepting the sociaist propaganda that most of the schools teach.

It is only in the last 100 years that we hearded children of the same age together and treated them all like prison convicts. Some have claimed it was a deliberate policy started in Prussia to produce compliant subjects. From what I can tell, there is much truth to this claim.

10 posted on 04/27/2002 5:31:59 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I was going to say pretty much the same thing. They aren't worried about them getting along with other kids, they are worried that they are escaping from the brainwashing camps.
11 posted on 04/27/2002 5:39:02 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Cindy
The socialization of young people thru MTV, Jr. High sexcapades, media sitcoms, crass consumerism and government school's SPORTS PROGRAMS is kids raising kids with mutual stupidity. Socialization is of a higher order when kids are more often a functioning part of the larger community of responsible adults. NEA is scared of the comparisons being made...and they should be.
12 posted on 04/27/2002 5:41:09 AM PDT by Republican Babe
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To: JohnHuang2
"Maybe if public schools learned from home-schoolers and focused less on socializing in class and focused more on learning, the average test score for public school students might be greater than 50 percent."

When I was in college in 1970, I had a Differential Equations "teacher". I don't remember his name, but he was so tall he had to duck in the door frame to enter the room. He was also red-headed. Being young, introverted, and naive, I didn't speak up much. But this so-called teacher talked so much about how bad it was that we were in VietNam that we rarely had a real lesson in DE. I got a B in the course, but didn't learn anything. Now I'm an engineer, and it was quite difficult to solve certain problems; I had to do substantial self-study to make up for what I paid for and didn't get.

I see this so common in grade school and high school today. My two kids came home and told me things, not about their lessons, but about their teachers' points of view on current events.

It's no wonder our population leans toward the liberal. The kids are being taught - not their supposed lessons, but politics - they're brainwashed every day in school. I think that may be one reason that we have so much teenage rebellion these days.

13 posted on 04/27/2002 5:52:41 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: marktwain
You all don't understand the code

that's 'cuz I was PUBLIC-SCHOOLED (snicker, snicker).....and I think you have a point there, Mr. Twain.

14 posted on 04/27/2002 6:16:00 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: JohnHuang2
bump
15 posted on 04/27/2002 6:31:27 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: JohnHuang2
BTTT
16 posted on 04/27/2002 8:24:05 AM PDT by PeteF
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To: JohnHuang2
I, as a home-schooler, am tired of my intelligence being insulted every time I turn around. Probably the most fabricated or misconstrued idea about home-schooling is that the child is inhibited from obtaining essential socialization skills.

In other words, the homeschooled child is uncomfortable interspersing every sentence with the "F" word.

17 posted on 04/27/2002 8:52:29 AM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: JohnHuang2
The largest group spreading this disinformation is the National Education Association. In its 2000-2001 Resolutions, it writes, "The National Education Association believes that home schooling programs cannot provide the student with a comprehensive education experience."

In other words, the homeschooled child is not adept at putting a condom on a banana.

18 posted on 04/27/2002 8:54:01 AM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: marktwain
"Some have claimed it was a deliberate policy started in Prussia to produce compliant subjects. From what I can tell, there is much truth to this claim."

You might like the John Taylor Gatto book The Underground History of American Education, linked on my profile page.

19 posted on 04/27/2002 9:48:48 AM PDT by toenail
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To: Gil4
Maybe, but I bet he's way behind on making body function sounds, telling rude jokes, and making fun of other kids. (As far as I can tell, that's what they mean by "socialization.")

Oh. I thought they meant a "screw-you" attitude toward adults, academics, and life in general; tendencies towards violence; and intimate knowledge of and experimentation with various deviant (but NEA-approved) sexual practices.

20 posted on 04/27/2002 9:57:42 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: JohnHuang2
"They were concerned that homeschooled students were not provided a comprehensive education experience because they did not have an opportunity to interact with students of different cultures, economic status or learning styles."

When did this become a requirement for receiving one's high school diploma? Are grades in "tolerance and understanding toward the dregs of society" now included on public school transcripts? (For cryin' out loud, I hope I'm not giving them any new ideas here........)

21 posted on 04/27/2002 10:11:28 AM PDT by freedox
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To: 2Jedismom; 2sheep; Aliska;Aquinasfan; argee; Askel5; arielb; Artist;backhoe; B4Ranch...
Bump for Homeschooling parents and kids. Great article.
22 posted on 04/27/2002 10:47:21 AM PDT by madfly
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bump
23 posted on 04/27/2002 1:17:35 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: madfly
Thanks!
24 posted on 04/27/2002 1:17:44 PM PDT by Artist
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Ping!
25 posted on 04/27/2002 1:23:05 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: JohnHuang2
Socialization = Appeasing minorities, appeasing homosexuals, appeasing leftist enviro-whackos. In short, it means learning to live under the hegemony of arseholes.
26 posted on 04/27/2002 1:29:55 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: Carry_Okie
ping for you and your daughters!
27 posted on 04/27/2002 1:30:55 PM PDT by madfly
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To: freedox
Are grades in "tolerance and understanding toward the dregs of society" now included on public school transcripts?

Don't be surprised if they are, under the heading of "Respect for others"

The primary purpose of the public school is to ensure indoctrination of the kids into whatever passes for the "Party Line". Always has been. Teaching them to read and write is just what they do to reduce complaints by parents. (The secondary purpose is to be a jobs program for "progressive" activists)

28 posted on 04/27/2002 1:37:52 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Tom Bombadil
Which socialization is the NEA most concerned about?

To the NEA "socialization" means mainly preparing kids for socialism.

When it refers to social skills, on the other hand, socialization means getting kids to learn about:

* what it's like to be bullied by bigger kids;
* what extortion of your lunch money is like;
* what being ridiculed by your fellow "students" feels like;
* how to learn to "hold your water" so you don't have to risk going to the bathroom and being beaten up;
* how to receive ridicule and condescension from teachers;
* how to obey authority and how to comply with their wishes, even if your rights or well-being or even sanity is being violated as a result;
* how to accept Ritalin when the brain-dead environment of school makes you act out, out of sheer desperation;
* which new hate words to use to replace the old hate words (e.g., how to call low IQ kids "speds" instead of "retards" -- same difference);
* how to hate whites, regardless of which race you are!
* how useless manners are;
* how to accept perversions of all kinds as "normal"; and the corrolary, of how to accept that moral behavior is to be considered unusual and deviant.

Well, there's more, but this is the main kind of socialization that a kid really learns in school.

29 posted on 04/27/2002 1:50:59 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: JohnHuang2; madfly
I think the NEA is absolutely right about how only public schools can socialize children; but let's think what that means, shall we?

It means that my home-schooled children won't succumb to being the public property of a bureaucratic police state.

30 posted on 04/27/2002 1:51:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: marktwain
You all don't understand the code. When the NEA says that home schooled students are not properly socialized, what they mean is that they are not properly brain washed into accepting the socialist propaganda that most of the schools teach.

Egads! They can't have free-thinking kids around to blow their cover, can they?

I'm proud to say I have 'educated' many of my friends this year about homeschooling. I was VERY active at both Catholic elementary schools my kids attended so I knew a LOT of people. When we decided to homeschool this year, I was CONTINUALLY asked about socialization. I reminded them that our kids would still be in their Scout troops and be involved with Parish activities. And they get in trouble for 'socializing' during class anyway, don't they? They already knew that Sir SuziQ and I could provide an education better than they were receiving in either school.

Frankly the kids are just as happy to stay home and do their work at their own speed, which alternates between tortoise and lightning on various days. And when they feel like getting together with friends, they do. We've always encouraged our kids, schooled or not, to speak respectfully to and converse with other adults. They won't have a problem with that at all.

I am truly impressed with the article that young man wrote. I know MY kids couldn't do that right now, and there are some homeschooled kids who won't ever be that eloquent, and that's fine. But he is a wonderful representative for our kids.

31 posted on 04/27/2002 3:09:17 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: JohnHuang2
To make sure my boys are not missing out on the publik skool socialization, once a week I take them into a bathroom, beat them up and steal their shoes and jackets.
32 posted on 04/27/2002 3:31:20 PM PDT by don-o
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To: Real Cynic No More
We have less teen rebellion today than we did 30 years ago. They have been trained by the PC crowd to be good little socialists and keep their mouths shut. It's a pity.
33 posted on 04/27/2002 3:38:49 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Yeah, they become good little socialists and keep ther mouths shut; but not at home.

I remember by kid's PS approved social skills at work in my house: the twelve-year-old telling me I had no right to go into her room, to know with whom she was hanging around; snotty replies to my requests. The change was radical, and coincided with the start of her middle school year. That must have been the "magic" they spoke of: "Goodbye dad and mom, I belong to them, now."

We were informed the nine-year-old needed drugs. This beautiful, creative kid couldn't pay attention, was a bully, and intimidated her teachers. Butthole teachers: THE KID COULDN"T READ!!!!! But they only cared about her ability to be an obedient object.

We homeschooled from that time, and now that the kids are in college where being smart and polite isn't seen as a sign of weakness; they're popular, trusted , confident , and respected by their instructors and friends.

The public schools' five-year socialization plan is a destroyer of otherwise useful lives.

34 posted on 04/27/2002 4:47:47 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: Cindy
I can't tell you the number of times our CEO has said, "get me a world class speller".
35 posted on 04/27/2002 4:58:04 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: JohnHuang2
Of course the problem is that the NEA has no good argument against Home Schooling. Their academic record is outstanding. The price to the taxpayer is outstanding, the juvenile police record is all but none existent, etc.

It is hard to refute an unsupported assertion, such as the charge that Home Schoolers are not properly socialized. In my community the lie is highlited in neon lights. Some Home Schoolers would like to participate in the nearby school's extracurricular activites. (sports, band, etc.) This is not allowed. The NEA is opposed. If they were truly concerned about Home Schoolers socialization, they would welcome this participation.

Godspeed, The Dilg

36 posted on 04/27/2002 6:06:22 PM PDT by thedilg
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To: Gil4
I agree. Of course they are not also properly socialized in the art of dope usage, booze, sexual promiscuity, condoms, homosexuality, teenage pregnancy, abortions, gangs, goths, bullying, etc.

The Dilg

37 posted on 04/27/2002 6:15:11 PM PDT by thedilg
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump
38 posted on 04/27/2002 6:31:15 PM PDT by Goldsters
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To: Tom Bombadil
The NEA has their head in the sand when it comes to home schooling.

No, they don't. They know that home-schooled kids are outscoring "their" kids on standardized tests. They know exactly what's going on. They are being threatened.

39 posted on 04/27/2002 6:57:23 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: madfly
Although home-schoolers make up less than 1 percent of the population, you find home-schoolers winning the national spelling and geography bees, as well as being Rhodes Scholars, doctors, politicians, presidents, founding fathers and much more.

Bump.

40 posted on 04/27/2002 8:13:07 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: JohnHuang2
home schooling bump!
41 posted on 04/27/2002 8:18:28 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: Be_Ye_Glad
I wouldn't call what goes on in public schools "play time".
45 posted on 04/27/2002 10:48:21 PM PDT by PeteF
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To: JohnHuang2
The next time someone asks you, "aren't you concerned about socialization?" firmly reply, "Not really. My child gets socialized at home. Once a day I take her into the bathroom, beat her up and steal her lunch money."
49 posted on 04/28/2002 5:08:16 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Tom Bombadil
The NEA has their head in the sand when it comes to home schooling.

Actually, the NEA has its head up its...

50 posted on 04/28/2002 5:09:30 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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