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**AL QAEDA AT OKC?**-Dan Burton Investigating Two 9/11 Bombers in Same Motel Room as McVeigh in 1995
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/020506/whispers/6whisplead.htm | May 6, 2002 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 04/27/2002 12:37:52 PM PDT by codebreaker

(Dan Burton, [R-Indiana] Investigating) Allegations that Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh is tied to Islamic terrorists.

McVeigh the story goes, met in an Oklahoma City motel with Iraqi agents before the 1995 explosion.

Part Two: Unsubstantiated reports that two 9/11 hijackers holed up with the suspected 20th hijacker Zacarais Moussaoui in the same motel room last July.

Coincedence?

Sources say Burton sent investigators to Oklahoma City to sniff around, tasked three staffers to the probe, and asked David Schippers, who led a house panel on Bill Clinton's impeachment, to advise.

But that's not all:Burton wants more staff.

While there's a lot of circumstantial evidence to investigate, like an allegation that the FBI stopped an agent from looking into the Iraqi angle, the feds say it is a waste of money.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: burton; conspiracy; espionagelist; guild; impeachmentteam; investigation; jihadinamerica; jihadnextdoor; noteworthy; okcbombing; patriotlist; steveemerson; usnews; washingtonwhispers; wtcattacks
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This might pull it all together
1 posted on 04/27/2002 12:37:52 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
The rush to execute McVeigh may have been another Clinton coverup. If it turns out that this is true, Clinton should be drawn and quartered!
2 posted on 04/27/2002 12:41:20 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: codebreaker
Link
3 posted on 04/27/2002 12:41:22 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
HOLY SH** !!!

What is it going to take before someone in Congress or the Justice Department acknowledges the truth ?

Don't they see that this will provide ALL the justification we need for going after Saddam ?

4 posted on 04/27/2002 12:42:29 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: codebreaker
Well, we can't ask McVeigh now...
5 posted on 04/27/2002 12:43:39 PM PDT by mhking
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To: codebreaker
Go to the link. Note the snide tone... doesn't really come through in the annotated version posted above.

Unfortunate, and unsurprising.
6 posted on 04/27/2002 12:44:06 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: codebreaker
I hope so. I don't care one way or another about McVeigh. But if the Arabs were involved AND the Clinton administration used this tragedy for their own cynical politics, it should be known.
7 posted on 04/27/2002 12:44:50 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: mhking
But we can ask the 20th hijacker who was at the meeting..

Think he would trade the death penalty for giving up the AL Qaeda -OKC Conspiracy??

8 posted on 04/27/2002 12:45:42 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Rush to execute is right. That ALONE was the tipoff that something was rotten in the state of D.C.

I've always believed that the reason that McVeigh kept quiet, was that Justice had threatened to make a case against his sister, rightly or not, and that he couldn't bear to have her hurt. So he shut his mouth and went to his death quietly.

9 posted on 04/27/2002 12:46:21 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: elbucko
Bush could talk out Reno and the Clinton Administrations credibility all in one fell swoop if this hijacker rats on the McVeigh meeting.

This would give big time moral authority to invade Iraq..

10 posted on 04/27/2002 12:47:18 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: seamole, section9, southack
pinger
11 posted on 04/27/2002 12:48:27 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: *OKCbombing;OKCSubmariner
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
12 posted on 04/27/2002 12:50:54 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"The rush to execute McVeigh may have been another Clinton coverup."

I despise klintoon as much as the next person
but the execution of scumbag McVeigh took place in June 2001,
almost 6 months after klintoon was out of office.
In fact it was the 1st federal execution in over 30 years.
It was John Ashcroft who authorized it.
13 posted on 04/27/2002 12:52:32 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: nutmeg
bump
14 posted on 04/27/2002 12:53:31 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: codebreaker
The correct question would be "Would anyone in a position of power want to pursue the OKC-al Queda angle?" . Sadly I think we all know the answer to this one.
15 posted on 04/27/2002 12:54:44 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Was Ashcroft briefed on this or was it Clinton appointees CYA time...
16 posted on 04/27/2002 12:55:02 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: L`enn
Burton seems gung ho right now...
17 posted on 04/27/2002 12:55:41 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Yes, but I have seen enough lately of this Administration continuing Clinton coverups "in the interest of setting a new tone".
18 posted on 04/27/2002 12:55:48 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: codebreaker
Yes, but how much power does he yield. The media and opposition seem to be fairly sucessful at hanging the crackpot label on him . I do not concur with this assessment but how many times has Burton gone off investigating worthwhile issues only to have them killed off by the Media and Rats using this strategy.
19 posted on 04/27/2002 12:58:02 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: *Oklahoma, Conspiracy
ping
20 posted on 04/27/2002 12:58:20 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: L`enn
As long we are in the majority we can pursue this to our hearts content.
21 posted on 04/27/2002 12:58:59 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
David Schippers has appeared on Jim Quinn's radio show several times recently to discuss McVeigh's ties to Iraq. Here's a transcript of one of the interviews.
22 posted on 04/27/2002 1:00:11 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: codebreaker
"Was Ashcroft briefed on this"

I recall Ashcroft saying he had reviwed all the data and McVeigh was the only person responsible.
It seemed like Ashcroft was in a rush to close the door on any further investigations.
Why the rush to have the 1st federal execution in over 30 years?
Keep in mind that to this day Ashcroft has done nothing to either klintoon or reno.
Even before 9/11 he had nearly 9 months to do something.
23 posted on 04/27/2002 1:01:04 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Espionage_List, GUILD
ping
24 posted on 04/27/2002 1:02:22 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Could be the high level undeerlings keeping this under wraps too.. what is Ashcroft going to say if the 20th Hijacker gives up the details of the McVeigh meeting?

As Attorney General, his only recourse is to blame his underlings for not properly handing the situation, or the media will eat him alive.

25 posted on 04/27/2002 1:04:40 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: JIHAD IN AMERICA, Jihad_Next_Door
ping
26 posted on 04/27/2002 1:06:07 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
Did Clinton know about the Oklahoma-Bin Laden angle? Is that why he was after Bin Laden in the 90's? (Albeit ineffectively).

If Clinton knew about Al Queda being involved (and hasn't it been proven that Terry Nichols worked with their cell in the Philippines?) then why didn't he tell the American public?

We all know what a coward Clinton is. Maybe he was afraid to take the Arab problem head on as Bush has done. Perhaps he thought he could solve the problem thru secret, behind-the-scenes methods which he tried and failed to employ in the 90's.

27 posted on 04/27/2002 1:07:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Patriot List, Steve Emerson
ping a rooney
28 posted on 04/27/2002 1:08:18 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
bump
29 posted on 04/27/2002 1:08:39 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: codebreaker
BTTT
30 posted on 04/27/2002 1:11:47 PM PDT by whizkid
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To: what's up
And the Government still can't figure out why Terry Nicols had some money stashed away in a Las Vegas security deposit box. (after his visit to the OBL /Iraqi cell in the Phillipines alone, meeting with OBL's right hand man )

Kind of suspicious for a humble Midwest farmer, who had a Phillipino wife and plausible denial for travel.

31 posted on 04/27/2002 1:11:49 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
This is all very interesting, especially coming from the magazine that broke the first story on Saddam Hussein BEFORE he invaded Kuwait (i.e., U.S. News and World Report), but I see no reason to put any faith in this angle.

Said faith in that angle simply isn't needed.

We KNOW that Iraq and Iran have aided Arafat in his Israeli uprising.

We KNOW that Arafat's Black September organization of hijackers and terrorists had the most experience in the world at commandeering commercial jet aircraft, blowing many of those jets up.

We KNOW that Arafat was involved in suicide attacks on U.S. troops in Lebanon in 1983.

Suicide attacks against America + world-authority on hijacking = Prime Suspect for the September 11 attacks.

We KNOW that Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague.

Frankly, we know terrorism when we see it, and Iraq is implicated in numerous incidents.

But that's not why we are waiting. Clearly we are building a case again Iran. Let's face it, Iraq is already implicated. It's Iran that needs more evidence for our ire.

So to me, all the stories about more evidence against Iraq are merely serving as distractions from the main game, which is to likewise convict Iran before we unlease Hell in the Middle-East.

32 posted on 04/27/2002 1:11:52 PM PDT by Southack
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To: WTC Attacks, tinfoilhat
ping
33 posted on 04/27/2002 1:13:17 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
While there's a lot of circumstantial evidence to investigate, like an allegation that the FBI stopped an agent from looking into the Iraqi angle, the feds say it is a waste of money.

Definitely, that money would be better utilized for the war on drugs, antitrust and IRS prosecutions.

34 posted on 04/27/2002 1:13:26 PM PDT by Fast 1975
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To: codebreaker
If McVeigh was in league with the terrorists of 911, then we need to investigate jis other associates far more thoroughly.
35 posted on 04/27/2002 1:14:22 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: Southack
I'm still try to nail down the CIA connections to that Florida airport that Atta and company was training at.

John Leboutillier of NewsMax.com and Ether Zone is working that angle hard.

36 posted on 04/27/2002 1:15:37 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: happygrl
Sounds like something Reno would have done...she is a cynical and ruthless piece of garbage.
37 posted on 04/27/2002 1:17:00 PM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: Fast 1975
Or security at abortion clinics..
38 posted on 04/27/2002 1:17:46 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
"The rush to execute McVeigh may have been another Clinton coverup

Even if Ashcroft wanted a delay, the pressure to execute was deafening!

39 posted on 04/27/2002 1:20:29 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: happygrl
"So he shut his mouth and went to his death quietly."

That's possible. But I think it is more likely that McVeigh was told he would be put into the witness protection program in exchange for his silence.

He may have thought his execution would be staged rather than real. But of course, it wasn't, and there goes the witness.

Carolyn

40 posted on 04/27/2002 1:20:53 PM PDT by CDHart
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To: happygrl
And there wasn't even a ripple in the pond to the World Net Daily 'death bed confession' of a Pillipino in intelligence that linked Nichols to OBL's right hand man and Iraqi intel.

I would spare Nichols the death penalty too if he spills the beans on OBL and Iraq.

Evidently, accoring to the taped confession, Nichols was being trained during his 'trip' down there in explosives.

41 posted on 04/27/2002 1:21:24 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: foreshadowed at waco
Sounds like something Reno would have done...she is a cynical and ruthless piece of garbage.

If Reno was in charge of the Israeli military and children were holed up in the church in Bethlehem, she would have given the orders to burn them out weeks ago.

42 posted on 04/27/2002 1:22:45 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: CDHart
The fact is we have two eye witnesses to the conspiracy alive and facing life in prision or the death penalty (Terry Nichols and the 20th Hijacker)

What harm is there in getting them to talk?

43 posted on 04/27/2002 1:23:27 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
that is a very GOOD point...he did have a Philipino wife. I have been wanting to look into this issue....I just do not have the time. Perhaps if I get on my college newspaper I could find the time to look into the issue of the ME connection to OKC, bombs inside the building, etc. There is simply too many articles and info to try to wade through very fast.....and get interviews and documents to make the articles somewhat reliable.
44 posted on 04/27/2002 1:24:44 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"Even if Ashcroft wanted a delay, the pressure to execute was deafening!"

Ashcroft is not elected to the Attorney General, he's appointed.
So "pressure" should mean nothing to him.
His ONLY concern should be his oath of office.
The "buck" in the Justice Dept stops with him.
45 posted on 04/27/2002 1:25:17 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: codebreaker
I doubt you can even visit them in prison.
46 posted on 04/27/2002 1:28:40 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
You don't have to research it that hard, I have been outlining the case right here with casual between at-work looks at FR.

Burton is the only one who can get to the bottom of this because the authorities don't seem to be interested in keeping Nichols alive or the 20th Hijacker around to testify.

47 posted on 04/27/2002 1:28:58 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: rwfromkansas
Nichols is the key, under the Patriot Act there is no way the 20th Hijacker is talking to anyone.

A man facing 168 state murder charges in Oklahoma all over again might have some interesting things to day if the right questions are asked.

48 posted on 04/27/2002 1:31:22 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
Oh please. Are you really so bored that every possible conspiracy angle gets you excited?
49 posted on 04/27/2002 1:31:54 PM PDT by Southack
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To: codebreaker
Muslim radicals in a plot to blow up a Federal building?

Surely not!!!

50 posted on 04/27/2002 1:31:57 PM PDT by fightu4it
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