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Thanks to protesters, children saw horrifying images
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | April 27, 2002 | CAROL BENDER- letter to editor

Posted on 04/27/2002 7:00:00 PM PDT by syriacus

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:34:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I was driving with my 3-year-old daughter Monday morning down West Liberty Avenue, when we had no choice but to gaze out the car windows at a variety of 5-foot placards depicting extremely graphic photos of aborted fetuses. My daughter asked me, "Mommy, why are those people holding signs of scary monsters?" In shock myself as to what I was seeing, I did not know what to say.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: abortion; children; deprogramming; fetus; graphic; peacefulprotest; pictures; reeducation; sasu; symbolvssubstance; thousandwords; violent
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1 posted on 04/27/2002 7:00:01 PM PDT by syriacus
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To: syriacus
Abortion, it's just murder.
2 posted on 04/27/2002 7:03:26 PM PDT by tet68
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To: syriacus
How do you respond to a 3-year-old about such violent photos? She doesn't understand; how do I tell her that those are unborn babies when she is very excited about her aunt who is pregnant with twins?

Good question, Lisa. What do you tell them?

3 posted on 04/27/2002 7:03:37 PM PDT by PayrollOffice
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To: syriacus
The author should begin proceedings against the media who portrayed the Viet-Nam war victims on TV, which were clearly guilty of the same crime.
5 posted on 04/27/2002 7:08:35 PM PDT by PayrollOffice
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To: tet68
Abortion, it's just murder. I am agaisnt murder, and all for educating people that it is wrong. But don't you think that walking around on a sidewalk and carrying graphic pictures of a murder victom is inappropriate?

One may like the subject of a teaching, yet has the responsibility for choosing the appropriate method to teach it.

6 posted on 04/27/2002 7:09:21 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: syriacus
Pro-choice people hate it when you remind them just what it is they are choosing. The usual Orwellian language can't cover up the reality of a picture.
7 posted on 04/27/2002 7:12:08 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: syriacus
Truth hurts ....
8 posted on 04/27/2002 7:14:27 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: TopQuark
There's no need to carry around pictures of murdered corpses, because the society and the law recognize that murder is wrong. Murderers are regularly caught and punished. Regretably, that is not the case with abortion and abortionists. The media consistently lie about it and cover it up. People need to know just what it is that the Supreme Court made legal in the Roe v. Wade and Casey decisions.
9 posted on 04/27/2002 7:15:14 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Cicero
Pro-choice people hate it when you remind them just what it is they are choosing. The usual Orwellian language can't cover up the reality of a picture.

I wonder if they feel any shame.

10 posted on 04/27/2002 7:16:08 PM PDT by syriacus
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To: syriacus
You know what? Those horrible images are just the tip of the iceberg of what Tom 'the HOLE, Hitlery Clinton, Ted Swimmin' Kennedy, John BIG HAIR Kerrey, Smilin' Trial Lawyer Johnny Edwards, Chuckles Schumer, Barbie Boxhead, Maxinepad Waters, Bawney Fwank, and the rest of the Demon-rat Party want to INFLICT upon society.

The 'rat party vehmently defends the mutilation of unborn children--up to the POINT of BIRTH. Yes, you heard me right--they believe it to be GOOD that a doctor can deliver a baby until the HEAD ONLY is in the birth canal, pierce the child's skull with a knife, and vacuum the brains out, causing the head to collapse. How would a picture of that set with you?

I am sickened by the images, too. The solution is NOT TO STOP THE PROTESTS. THE SOLUTION IS TO STOP THE MURDER.

Quit assassinating the messenger.

11 posted on 04/27/2002 7:17:29 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Khepera
Each of those plastic jars contains one little dead person. The mother's name and the date of the abortion are written on the labels.

Dreadful indeed. It surprises me that they even record such data. Do you have any links to the data bases?

12 posted on 04/27/2002 7:20:34 PM PDT by PayrollOffice
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To: syriacus
I want everyone to understand that I completely respect the American choice to protest
against something you oppose and to stand up for something you believe in,
but when it is forced upon children, I absolutely lose all respect.


Boy howdy, I bet this woman is gonna' be p-ssed when her kid's socialist-trained
public school teachers start to give her instructions on safety in the use of drugs
and how to properly use a condom.

Oh, but I suspect she's the sort who will send her kid to a private school...maybe even
a religiously-based one.
13 posted on 04/27/2002 7:20:59 PM PDT by VOA
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To: PayrollOffice
Sorry I do not.
14 posted on 04/27/2002 7:21:27 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: syriacus
I show my kids the pictures of aborted babies so they'll know what abortion is. It's horrifying to children because they haven't been brainwashed yet by Planned Parenthood types telling them lies.
15 posted on 04/27/2002 7:22:10 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: syriacus
How do you respond to a 3-year-old about such violent photos?

Tell her the truth. Don't lie to her.
"Honey, that's what other mommies to be do to their children before they're born because they don't want them. Yes, honey, it is awful and very sad, but that's what some mommies chose to do. We try to stop them, but they still do it anyway."

16 posted on 04/27/2002 7:22:48 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: TopQuark
Abortion, it's just murder. I am agaisnt murder, and all for educating people that it is wrong. But don't you think that walking around on a sidewalk and carrying graphic pictures of a murder victom is inappropriate?

I'd agree if abortion was as rare as murder. On the other hand if there were over 1,000,000 murders committed in the United States every year, mostly carried out by government-protected, licenced professional executioners at the request of the mothers of the murder victims... . You get my drift.

17 posted on 04/27/2002 7:24:59 PM PDT by Procyon
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To: syriacus
. Our young children, our children in general, should not be subjected to these photographs
on their way to school.


But I bet she has no problem with letting her child look at the abortion clinic
attendant who was maimed in one of the bombings attributed to Eric Rudolph.
And the beatification of this lady, as in her embrace with Al Gore.

Now...I'm not for violence against any abortion clinic workers...but it hit me after
seeing this lady in a number of fawning media appearances that were trying to
make her into some sainted Mother Teresa Martyr of Abortion who'd suffered her
wound for some sort of sacrament.

It finally hit me.
One any given day, this wounded, maimed woman is having a MUCH better day than any of the
children aborted at her clinic.
18 posted on 04/27/2002 7:26:57 PM PDT by VOA
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To: concerned about politics
I don't call them 'mommies' to my kids. I tell my kids those are pathetic women who'll do anything to have a man, even sleep with men who don't love them and then kill their own children. I tell my sons to be very very careful who they date or their own children could end up in an abortionist's trash can.
19 posted on 04/27/2002 7:27:24 PM PDT by FITZ
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I too think abortions are wrong and the images show the cruelty of it. That is why we need morning after pills.
Make abortion illegal, and tell women that if they do have unprotected sex, they have 72 hours to take the pills to prevent implantation. (The morning-after pills wont work after that - unlike RU486)

Such a law is a lot more likely to be passed, and should be supported by anyone who truly does want to stop the cruelty shown in the images.

20 posted on 04/27/2002 7:27:28 PM PDT by Goldsters
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I agree. It's simply unbelievable that an infant brought to bear a day away fom birth can be legally slaughtered. WE are the barbarians.
21 posted on 04/27/2002 7:27:30 PM PDT by PayrollOffice
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To: PayrollOffice
Dreadful indeed. It surprises me that they even record such data

You'd think they'd be afraid someone (like Larry Flynt,say) might get hold of the data and expose someone's medical history.

I'm bewildered,too, that the Nazis kept so many records of their activities in the death camps.

Maybe both groups are (were) so cold-hearted or blood-thirsty that they don't (didn't) realize they should be ashamed of murdering humans.

22 posted on 04/27/2002 7:29:00 PM PDT by syriacus
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To: Cicero
Everything you said is valid but, I am sorry to say, is unrelated to my post.

I am merely stating a maxim that does not seem to cerate a dissonance in anyone I know: not every teaching method is appropriate. The question therefore is, how does it apply in the present case?

I would submit to you that, even if the public was not educated about murder, this method would still be inappropriate precisely because one cannot control the "class composition."

You educate your children about sex or, more precisely, morality related to these relations. This may include a talk or two with your teenage son or daughter. You do not make a family discussion out of it and, most certainly, do not involve the five-year old sibling: to the contrary, you make an effort to preclude that small child from hearing the "adult" conversation. As you well know, information that cannot be processed fully may cause more damage than its intended benefit.

Most teachers know this, although they do not think of the matter often, since most of what they teach is not harmful to children. Most certainly, people who advocate morality should behave in a moral --- presently, responsibe --- manner and not justify the means by the ends they seek.

Thus, the demosrtators may have been on high moral ground in terms of the reason for and the content of their message, but the delivery was irresponsiblem, harmful to the unintended audience and, therefore, wrong.

23 posted on 04/27/2002 7:29:54 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: syriacus
Guess that's one kid who will grow up to view abortion as murder. No need to say anything, just state what it is. Let's look at it a little differently - the pro "choice" (it's OK to murder) brought about the need for the demonstration. The only tolerable abortion would have been... then again, who can select whom to kill and not kill? Certainly a mother wouldn't make the "choice", just a killer.
24 posted on 04/27/2002 7:30:08 PM PDT by Henchman
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To: PayrollOffice
WE THEY are the barbarians.

Vote pro-life.

25 posted on 04/27/2002 7:31:12 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Procyon
You get my drift. No, I do not.

Like the demonstrators, you concentrate on the reason for the demonstration, whereas I addressed the method.

Even in war, we attempt to minimize collateral damage. Here such damage is inflicted on "born" children. Since this is avoidable, I find no justification for it. A million murders that you protest do not justify your destruction of the psyche of a five-year-old that happens to be passing by.

Please see the previous post.

26 posted on 04/27/2002 7:33:21 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: syriacus
Maybe both groups are (were) so cold-hearted or blood-thirsty that they don't (didn't)
realize they should be ashamed of murdering humans
.


I think the textbook rhetorical Nazi response would have been:
"What humans?".

(as in the Nazi doctrine that Jews, gypsies, gays, bothersome Catholic and Protestant
clerics were "sub-human")
27 posted on 04/27/2002 7:33:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: syriacus
Kids should be brought up with values, and there's no magic "one-liner" you can tell the kid. Legalized abortion is a sad blight on our culture, and the ripple effects into other parts of life are legion.
28 posted on 04/27/2002 7:39:40 PM PDT by lds23
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To: syriacus
I've never quite been able to figure this out. To show a picture of what someone did is horrific. The act committed by someone which ended the existence of an unborn child is not so bad.

So, to show a picture of a murder victim is horrific, but the murder itself was not so bad.

To show a picture of someone who was tortured is horrific, but the act of torture was not so bad.

To show a picture of a child beaten by a parent is horrific, but the act of beating the child was not so bad.

To show a picture of victims of Nazi death camps was horrific, but the act of gassing the innocent victims was not so bad.

Hey, I think I've got the picture now. It is a parallel universe in which the pro-aborts live.

29 posted on 04/27/2002 7:42:57 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: syriacus
How do you respond to a 3-year-old about such violent photos? She doesn't understand;

I don't understand either how to explain why people murder innocent life in the womb......and I'm 43-years old

...how do I tell her that those are unborn babies when she is very excited about her aunt who is pregnant with twins?

How about the truth: we murder only the babies we don't want. We want your Aunt's babies.

I'm 100% sure your 3 year old will think you are a hypocrite as much as I do

30 posted on 04/27/2002 7:43:13 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: syriacus
I cannot control what my child sees while riding in the car, as he is buckled in the back seat and I cannot reach back to cover his eyes. I thank God that he was not with me the other day when I passed by this protest.

The ones that I've participated in have many warning signs before the "yucky" signs. Drivers are warned about what they will see. They have plenty of time to turn around if they don't want their children to see them.

31 posted on 04/27/2002 7:44:23 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: syriacus
Whether you are pro-choice or pro-life does not matter; what matters is that we protect our children.

Translation: Whether you are in favor of murdering children or against murdering children, we can all agree to protect our children.

32 posted on 04/27/2002 7:44:37 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: tet68
If the child didn't recognize the pictures of babies, don't tell her yet, she's too young to understand. Tell her you will tell her when she is older. This is what you would do if she asked about sex, right? When she's old enough to recognize the babies, or if she asks you about abortion, be truthful. Kids are excellent truth detectors.

I was about 14 when a woman libber teacher described the joys of abortion to my high school class. She didn't mention that the procedure kills the baby, only that the "fetus was removed". I raised my hand, and asked how they do this without killing the baby. She danced around the issue, but finally admitted that it did kill the baby. I was horrified, and to this day the thought of abortion still sickens me. I went home and discussed it with my mom. She put me in touch with a right to life organization. I had them come and speak to the class.

When my daughter was about 12 she asked what the word "abortion" meant. I truthfully told her. She too was horrified. I told her that when I learned that I was pregnant with her, my HMO immediately offered to schedule an abortion, and that she was blessed to have been born to a mother who values life. My daughter appreciated hearing the truth, and I believe that this kind of information should come from a parent, not a liberal extremest teacher.

33 posted on 04/27/2002 7:46:34 PM PDT by passionfruit
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To: syriacus
How do you respond to a 3-year-old about such violent photos? She doesn't understand; how do I tell her that those are unborn babies when she is very excited about her aunt who is pregnant with twins?

You come straight out and tell them what it is and that its wrong to kill unborn children thats what i did and my child now 10 years old knows ABORTION IS MURDER and i started talking to her about such things around the age of 4 so she knows and understands its murder

34 posted on 04/27/2002 7:47:16 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: syriacus
I don't think a young child would have any idea what those red things on the posters were.
I think what we're hearing is the mothers facing their own sins ,and they don't like what they see. It's them.
It's what they approve of. It's what they've supported and spoken out to defend. It's the mirror images of their own lost souls.
35 posted on 04/27/2002 7:47:22 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: syriacus
I completely respect the American choice to protest against something you oppose and to stand up for something you believe in, but when it is forced upon children, I absolutely lose all respect.

Do you lose any respect when all types of socialist swill is forced down public school children throats

I didn't think so.

36 posted on 04/27/2002 7:47:31 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: syriacus
What to tell the children about abortion? Tell them the TRUTH! Abortion-the right to choose...genocidal, nazi-pioneered murder of helpless unborn babies for the convenience of self-loving women and for the profit of money-loving monsters. The pictures of aborted babies force admission of the undeniable horrors of abortion. Those who perpetrate it are monsters that the so called death camp "doctor" Joseph Mengale would be proud of! Hitler, Stalin, Mao - all mass murderers. Today, we in Amerika can add our own nation to that list - with the red badge of cruelty of 35 to 40 million murdered aborted babies to date. When will the murdering of unborn babies stop? GOD have mercy on our nation!
37 posted on 04/27/2002 7:47:59 PM PDT by RWBaral
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To: PayrollOffice
You tell them the truth. Children are resilient. It makes me gag when I hear these people say "who's going to be there at the school to explain this to them". They can ask you when they get home.

Children see all kinds of things that they don't even tell you about. Some parents are too overprotective now days. How do they think all the previous generations of children survived and grew up without all the counselors?

38 posted on 04/27/2002 7:48:11 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: syriacus
Embarrassing the heck out of the fence straddlers.
39 posted on 04/27/2002 7:51:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: syriacus
Please read post 33. I intended to reply to you.
40 posted on 04/27/2002 7:52:27 PM PDT by passionfruit
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To: syriacus
I wonder if they feel any shame.

Well, they did write a letter for the purpose -- it seems -- of rationalizing away their guilt.

41 posted on 04/27/2002 7:53:52 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: syriacus
I wonder how many people who are 'outraged' by photos of aborted babies support 'freedom of the press' pornography?
42 posted on 04/27/2002 7:54:08 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: TopQuark
Thus, the demosrtators may have been on high moral ground in terms of the reason for and the content of their message, but the delivery was irresponsiblem, harmful to the unintended audience and, therefore, wrong.

Agreed.

The people showing those pictures in public are just as wrong and just as mentally ill as those doing the abortions. (In my opinion)

43 posted on 04/27/2002 7:54:51 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: syriacus
The people who walk around with the mutilated corpse pictures really aren't doing much good, IMHO. It's not that I disagree with their motives, but rather doubt that their methods will have the intended effect.

The shower scene in Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho is famous for being one of the most effective scary horror movie scenes, and yet the viewer never sees Mr. Bates's knife strike Miss Crane. One does see blood, but it's not bright red [B&W movie] and serves mainly to make the viewer aware of what he is not seeing.

I would suggest that anti-abortion protesters should take lessons from Hitchcock's style. It really might work wonders.

44 posted on 04/27/2002 7:56:44 PM PDT by supercat
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To: syriacus
Tell her the" wages of sin is death"
45 posted on 04/27/2002 7:57:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jeff Gordon
I don't think the demonstrators are wrong. I hope they make women think twice before entering an abortion clinic. Also, if the pictures are shocking, they should be. They go in there thinking that everything will be safe and sterile, and they are wiping away an "unwanted pregnancy" It takes pictures that shocking and bloody to make them realize that they are killing a human being.
46 posted on 04/27/2002 7:59:41 PM PDT by passionfruit
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To: supercat
"The people who walk around with the mutilated corpse pictures really aren't doing much good, IMHO. It's not that I disagree with their motives, but rather doubt that their methods will have the intended effect.

I agree with you 100% supercat!

47 posted on 04/27/2002 7:59:59 PM PDT by deadhead
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To: syriacus
One more thing..Thank you Jesus for those protesters..no matter what that cold hearted mother tells her..those pictures of murdered unborn babies is now locked in her little head..she will never make a decision to murder one of her own without replaying the tape..that is the real reason they hate the posters..the children see the truth
48 posted on 04/27/2002 8:00:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I drove past the protest in question. There was a line of about ten protesters, each holding a poster board about six feet tall, with many of the placards showing a bloodied baby's head with a large caption such as "ABORTION IS MURDER". The protestors stood about ten feet apart, so you couldn't miss reading at least some of the boards.

I honked my horn at them and waved, and they waved back. I was happy to give them a little moral support. I was surprised to see a protest of this nature, I've never seen anything like this before. God bless them, they're standing up for what they believe.

49 posted on 04/27/2002 8:00:33 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: InvisibleChurch
I wonder how many people who are 'outraged' by photos of aborted babies support 'freedom of the press' pornography?

There is a difference between making pictures available to those who wish to see them, and putting them in front of people who do not wish to see them.

50 posted on 04/27/2002 8:02:01 PM PDT by supercat
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