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From Ozzie Nelson To Ozzy Osbourne
Toogood Reports ^ | April 28, 2002 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 04/28/2002 4:33:42 PM PDT by Starmaker

It seems that only a few years ago television brought Ozzie and Harriet Nelson into our homes each week. Then again, the current popularity of the MTV show, "The Osbournes," makes it seem like an eternity ago. Outside of similar sounding first names, there is nothing similar between the two principal characters. Neither is there anything similar between the two cultures they represent.

"Ozzie and Harriet" represented traditional America. The family had disagreements but never cursed or used foul language. The father was humorous but never irreverent. The wife was strong but always ladylike. The boys were mischievous but never sinful.

Families could watch an entire season of "Ozzie and Harriet" without ever having their morals attacked or their piety insulted. In fact, fundamental virtues such as honesty, morality, and integrity were integral themes of the show. The show was not the only thing pictured in black and white - so was right and wrong.

However, today's Ozzy knows no such decorum. The Osbournes are crude, vulgar, and profane. Four letter words flow from their mouths faster than water falls over Niagara. That they could even be allowed on television speaks to the debauchery of today's society. That they have become the biggest hit show in MTV's history (even President Bush is said to be "a big fan") means the culture has thoroughly collapsed.

One family therapist explained the show's success saying, "There's a domineering mother and a feeble father, something that's common to many families." She also said, "In some ways, they live a very normal life in this upper-middle-class environment, mixed with a really strange mentality and dysfunction." In other words, people like the Osbournes because they are mixed up and dysfunctional also. If that isn't a commentary on where we are as a culture, I don't know what is!

Then again, is everyone watching MTV? Are the Osbournes truly reflective of our culture? The change agents, who desire to turn America into a place Lucifer himself would enjoy visiting during winter vacations, say, "Yes." Of course, those same people would deny that the Nelsons ever reflected American society. (It's not clear how they can have it both ways.)

Obviously, millions of people in this country today have never heard of "Ozzie and Harriet" and, therefore, have never experienced life in traditional America. Furthermore, the Osbournes and MTV are helping to make sure they never will.



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1 posted on 04/28/2002 4:33:42 PM PDT by Starmaker
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To: Starmaker
Chuck Baldwin needs to lighten up. The Osbournes are what we all are: flawed.
2 posted on 04/28/2002 4:36:46 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Starmaker
I've heard people saying that Ozzy walks around in that show like a doddering old fool but he's nothing like that IRL. It's all just another act, just another fake real-life fiction.
3 posted on 04/28/2002 4:39:00 PM PDT by americalost
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To: Starmaker
Speaking of perfect TV families, why did June and Ward do such a good job with The Beaver, but totally screwed up with Eldridge?
4 posted on 04/28/2002 4:42:48 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: americalost
I saw it once came off as a burnt out old man and a bitter wife. I turned the channel to depressing. Not even on a slow night rather watch old Lelsie Neison Flicks.
5 posted on 04/28/2002 4:42:57 PM PDT by oceanperch
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To: Starmaker
I agree with a great deal Baldwin writes here.

I also love "The Osbournes" and watch it whenever I can. I cannot explain the dichotomy. If not for "The Osbournes" I wouldn't know or care if MTV was on the air.

But, it does say a great deal about how low our culture has sunk.

6 posted on 04/28/2002 4:45:04 PM PDT by Skooz
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To: Starmaker
This author is a moron.

Ozzy and family are just like my family: real people who aren't perfect, yet love each other very, very much. His show is outstanding, and a perfect example of why you shouldn't drink to excess or do drugs. He's even Christian and pro-war, for Heaven's sake.

Don't let a few bad words throw you off from the message of the show, man.

7 posted on 04/28/2002 4:49:03 PM PDT by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: Skooz
I cannot explain the dichotomy

I like the Osbournes ----I think I realized why when I read that MTV might have more celebrity shows like this ---I realized that most celebrities wouldn't be interesting at all because they would use the time to preach and condescend to us. Ozzie and his family aren't arrogant, they aren't trying to show us political correctness like Cher, Alex Baldwin, Bono of U2, Julia Roberts, Rosie, and on and on do. He's just a simple man he says, he can't even figure out the remote control --and maybe that's what is nice. Very rare in celebrities.

8 posted on 04/28/2002 4:55:24 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Skooz
I don't think our society has profoundly changed. People in 1952 (when the Nelsons hit the air) certainly used curse words; does anyone want to say Ozzie Nelson never turned the air blue? People had sex before marriage. They used and abused drugs, including alcohol and cigarettes. There were children out of wedlock ... love affairs that resulted in murder ... music that confounded the elders of the day and made them think society had gone to hell in a handbasket (though in the '50s, the ruling elders would have had a hard time explaining the "innocence" of "In The Mood").

The difference, in my opinion: People in the 21st century talk more about it. People get out of detox or rehab and tell everyone they know. People take meds for mental illnesses and tell everyone they know. We're living in a huge, Oprah-like world, where disclosure is king.

Better, or worse? Or just different?

9 posted on 04/28/2002 4:56:23 PM PDT by rond
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To: Starmaker
When I was young, Ozzie & Harriet was current. What we looked back on then was Ma and Pa Kettle on the Farm. I never wanted to go back and live on the Kettle farm, nor do I want to go back to O&H (what on earth did Ozzie do for a living?). If American culture has indeed collapsed, what are you doing still here, Chuck? Or are you a Baldwin of the Alec variety?
10 posted on 04/28/2002 5:01:44 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Senator Pardek
June to Ward, "Don't you think you were a little rough on the beaver last night?" :)
11 posted on 04/28/2002 5:02:15 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Senator Pardek
Eldridge was the black sheep of the family...

Well, someone had to say it!

12 posted on 04/28/2002 5:10:36 PM PDT by jellybean
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To: Starmaker
"In some ways, they live a very normal life in this upper-middle-class environment, mixed with a really strange mentality and dysfunction." In other words, people like the Osbournes because they are mixed up and dysfunctional also. If that isn't a commentary on where we are as a culture, I don't know what is!

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It's the same reason the Clintons have hysterical appeal to many. They are a validation of the corrupt dysfunctional lives their supporters are living.

13 posted on 04/28/2002 5:12:32 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Starmaker
One family therapist explained the show's success saying, "There's a domineering mother and a feeble father, something that's common to many families."

But some say the 50s had already turned down that road. Harriet may not have been domineering like Osbourne's wife, but Ozzie Nelson was already pretty bland, detached and feeble. Maybe TV itself dethrowned the father and helped to create a void that domineering mothers could step into. But for better or worse, Ozzie Nelson, Ward Cleaver and the other TV dads of the 50s were far from older models of male or paternal dominance.

14 posted on 04/28/2002 5:13:59 PM PDT by x
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To: Trust but Verify
The Osbournes are what we all are: flawed.

Don't include us in that 'we'. I watched it once. I came away stunned that that they weren't too humiliated to allow it to be shown on TV.

The fact that many, even here at FR, are saying that the Osborns reflect how many freepers grew up, shows how far we've plummeted. It's very troubling, obviously my generation failed terribly.

15 posted on 04/28/2002 5:14:26 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: rond
I don't think our society has profoundly changed. People in 1952 (when the Nelsons hit the air) certainly used curse words; does anyone want to say Ozzie Nelson never turned the air blue?

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Throughout my younger years I never heard even one of the men in our neighborhood use the language now routinely heard in movies and on TV. To do so would have got them blackballed from association from other men of stature in the community. How old are you?

16 posted on 04/28/2002 5:18:17 PM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
I might also add many of those men were ex football players and WWI and WWII vets.
17 posted on 04/28/2002 5:20:18 PM PDT by RLK
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To: x
"There's a domineering mother and a feeble father, something that's common to many families."

That sounds like an old friend of mine growing up.His Dad was lame from a Korean War wound [and having his wife back the car over him].His mother was mean as a snake and kept him[the Dad] in the basement.One time having an argument she shoved a hot punkin pie in his face and shoved him down the stairs of the basement.There was never a dull moment in that household.

18 posted on 04/28/2002 5:46:13 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: Lower55
.....rough on the beaver last night?",

Shocking Language!

19 posted on 04/28/2002 5:54:01 PM PDT by norraad
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To: norraad
One of the worst things about Leave it to Beaver was they way they insulted your intellegence.One show they had Eddie and Wally trying to get back at Lumpy chaining his rear axle to a tree.The joke backfired and snatch it out from under the car.Lumpy's ol'man come outside to see what was going on,then told Lumpy to drive the car back in the driveway with no rear end.
20 posted on 04/28/2002 6:05:33 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: Uncle Meat
I guess I can't talk about intelligence when I don't correct my spelling before I hit the post button.Been getting bad about that lately.
21 posted on 04/28/2002 6:08:13 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: RLK
Throughout my younger years I never heard even one of the men in our neighborhood use the language now routinely heard in movies and on TV. To do so would have got them blackballed from association from other men of stature in the community. How old are you?

I'm 41, and there were plenty of men in my L.A. neighborhood who knew how to cuss, in English and in Spanish.

22 posted on 04/28/2002 6:10:06 PM PDT by rond
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
"He's even Christian and pro-war, for Heaven's sake."
24 posted on 04/28/2002 6:18:49 PM PDT by Mong
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To: RLK
It's the same reason the Clintons have hysterical appeal to many.

There's no comparison between the Osbournes and the Clintons. With the Osbournes, evil is just an act. The Clintons are true evil, deception and lies. Ozzie is a good guy deep down, and Sharon isn't smug and lecturing.

25 posted on 04/28/2002 6:29:24 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Uncle Meat
One time having an argument she shoved a hot punkin pie in his face and shoved him down the stairs of the basement.There was never a dull moment in that household.

Now that's a mean mamma!

26 posted on 04/28/2002 6:50:57 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Trust but Verify
I am part of Generation X I tell you one thing Ozzy kinda remind me of my dad Sharon remind me of my mom also giving advice I think of my dad when he couldn't program Satellite TV try get History Channel from Weather channel Yelling JACKKKK I GETTING F***** Weather Channel HELP F*** THIS TV SUCKS Now that my father right there
27 posted on 04/28/2002 6:59:20 PM PDT by SevenofNine
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To: Trust but Verify
Chuck Baldwin needs to lighten up. The Osbournes are what we all are: flawed.

"Woe to you who say that evil is good and that good is evil"
How does that scripture in Isaiah go?

America needs to repent!

28 posted on 04/28/2002 7:00:41 PM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: rond
I'm 41, and there were plenty of men in my L.A. neighborhood who knew how to cuss, in English and in Spanish.

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That's not nearly old enough to know anything about the condition of this country in 1952, about which you are making statements. Apparently, it's not old enough to have learned much else including how to stay with a point.

As far as language and other patterns among members of the lower classes in California during the 60s, 70s, and 80s, your apparent membership in such equips you to make statements about the area with far more authority than I.

29 posted on 04/28/2002 7:02:13 PM PDT by RLK
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Now that's a mean mamma!

Man,I could write a book about her.She was a trip!

30 posted on 04/28/2002 7:09:46 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: RLK
As far as language and other patterns among members of the lower classes in California during the 60s, 70s, and 80s, your apparent membership in such equips you to make statements about the area with far more authority than I.</i?

Those who persist in pointing out class distinctions have absolutely NO class, RLK. Go crawl back under your elitist rock and learn how to abbreviate decades (it's '60s, '70s, '80s), old man.

31 posted on 04/29/2002 6:19:35 AM PDT by rond
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To: RLK
As far as language and other patterns among members of the lower classes in California during the 60s, 70s, and 80s, your apparent membership in such equips you to make statements about the area with far more authority than I.

Those who persist in pointing out class distinctions have absolutely NO class, RLK. Go crawl back under your elitist rock and learn how to abbreviate decades (it's '60s, '70s, '80s), old man.

32 posted on 04/29/2002 6:20:10 AM PDT by rond
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To: Starmaker
I decided to watch that show one night. What a mistake. Very sad first of all that a family wants to expose themselves in such a way and second of all, if they are truly the way they are on TV they are all in need of help.
33 posted on 04/29/2002 6:23:28 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: Balding_Eagle
OK, I won't include 'you' in the flawed category. I was kinda under the impression that we are all flawed except for One. Sorry if I offended.
34 posted on 04/29/2002 6:28:49 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Taiwan Bocks
You obviously know nothing of Ozzy Osbourne. He is not evil, he doesn't worship evil. His song lyrics are very pro-God, he is very patriotic towards America. Whatever you have heard, you heard wrong.
36 posted on 04/29/2002 6:32:27 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify
Ozzy is funny; that's a main reason why the show is a hit
37 posted on 04/29/2002 6:33:44 AM PDT by luvbach1
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To: Senator Pardek
....why did June and Ward do such a good job with The Beaver, but totally screwed up with Eldridge?

But Eldridge did see the light later on.

38 posted on 04/29/2002 6:35:44 AM PDT by luvbach1
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To: Senator Pardek
In the end, old Eldridge actually turned out all right.
39 posted on 04/29/2002 6:40:29 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Starmaker
From Ozzie Nelson To Ozzy Osbourne

Well, from what is known about both, it appears that Ozzy Osbourne is the better and kinder parent than Ozzie Nelson. The difference is that OO's on-tube life isn't quite so fictionalized as ON's.
40 posted on 04/29/2002 6:40:56 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: gcruse
(what on earth did Ozzie do for a living?).

He was a Big Band leader....
you know, the 1952 equivalent of a Rock Star.

42 posted on 04/29/2002 6:45:48 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: x
But some say the 50s had already turned down that road. Harriet may not have been domineering like Osbourne's wife, but Ozzie Nelson was already pretty bland, detached and feeble. Maybe TV itself dethrowned the father and helped to create a void that domineering mothers could step into. But for better or worse, Ozzie Nelson, Ward Cleaver and the other TV dads of the 50s were far from older models of male or paternal dominance.

What I don't understand is why people insist on defining an entire decade by it's lamer sit-coms. If the 1950's was the "Leave it to Beaver" and "Ozzie and Harriet" decade, then the 1980's was the "Family Matters" and "Full House" decade. I guess the 90's was the "Step by Step" and "Boy meets World" decade. Please! How come no one ever refers to the 50's as the "Honeymooners" decade? Or the "I Love Lucy" decade? Could it be because those shows actually had some bite to them and don't fit a pre-conceived stereotype about an entire decade?

43 posted on 04/29/2002 6:53:41 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: aruanan
Ozzie Osbourne is portrayed (rightfully so) as a man on the edge of a complete breakdown. Every child of an alcoholic recognizes the Ozzie character. He's one arm reach away from total failure. He just hangs on another day.

It's a show that you laugh at but should feel bad about it later.

44 posted on 04/29/2002 7:01:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
He's one arm reach away from total failure.

Yeah, that mansion he's living in really bespeaks total failure. :)

45 posted on 04/29/2002 7:05:07 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: southern rock
That mansion won't do him a bit of good if he goes on a bender and runs off his family.
46 posted on 04/29/2002 7:07:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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Appy,

If 20+ years of marriage and all the problems associated with the lifestyle of a rock star haven't 'run his family off' it ain't going to happen now.

Have you actually watched the show? They are 'different' but they are a loving, close family. Far from me to judge them.

48 posted on 04/29/2002 9:27:20 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify
His song lyrics are very pro-God...

Suicide Solution:

Wine is fine

But whiskey's quicker

suicide is slow with liquer

Take a bottle drain your sorrows

THEN IT FLOODS AWAY TOMMOROW!!

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Hmmm. How is that 'very pro-God'? Plagiarizing a few verses from the Bible for some other songs doesn't make him pro-God.

49 posted on 04/29/2002 9:52:58 AM PDT by mad puppy
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To: mad puppy
Ok, that's one lyric to one song. Where is the Satan worship in those lines? Maybe for some people I should have said some or many of his lyrics are pro-God. How's this:

Your Higher Power may be God or Jesus Christ
It doesn't really matter much to me
Without each other there's just no hope for us.
I'm living in a dream, a fantasy...

There are a lot of others who are more familiar with his songs than I and have posted more lyrics, most of which are the antithesis of what his music has been portrayed.

50 posted on 04/29/2002 10:22:24 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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