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I Need a Techno Freeper to Tell Me What Printer to Purchase.
mlmr's little computer | 4/29/02 | mlmr

Posted on 04/29/2002 4:34:20 PM PDT by mlmr

I need to buy a printer. I run two small businesses off of my computer, one web-based and one not. I want a laser printer because I need to make excellent copies of text for handouts. I want a printer that has excellent quality, and inexpensive and easy to run because I am unable to figure out anything with more than three steps. I also want it to hold a decent amount of paper and print envelops easily. I have tried a few review sites like epinion and PC world and there just wasnt a lot there. MOst of the information was about inkjets. My only experience has been with HPs. I like them. Are they good? Or are NECs better? Plese save me!!


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1 posted on 04/29/2002 4:34:20 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
I thank all the techie freepers for saving my little neck again. I love you!!
2 posted on 04/29/2002 4:35:24 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
I have an HP Officejet Pro 1175 cxi, it's been a very solid performer. Built like a tank, I routinely print out 200 and 300 page manuals and books of schematics on it. You really can't go wrong with their better printers, just avoid their really cheap printers and you'll do fine.

P.S. I recently got a HP designjet 500 ps - 42" of printing power for larger drawings (circuit plots, large schematics) and it is simply fantastic. Couldn't be happier.

3 posted on 04/29/2002 4:37:47 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: mlmr
On a cost per sheet basis, lasers are much less expensive. Both Brother and HP make good lasers; I have an HP 1200 myself. To get good reviews on printers, try the site www.cnet.com and go to hardware reviews. Good luck.
4 posted on 04/29/2002 4:39:29 PM PDT by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: Billy_bob_bob
just avoid their really cheap printers and you'll do fine.

Actually their really cheap printers are good also. Just learn to think of them like bic lighters. Not recommended if you need to print 300 page manuals though.

5 posted on 04/29/2002 4:40:11 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: mlmr
HP LaserJets will still be running when the Messiah comes.
6 posted on 04/29/2002 4:43:42 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Are they expensive?
7 posted on 04/29/2002 4:44:23 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
I've heard that the HP laser printers from ~5 years ago are indestructible and cheap to operate per page printed.
8 posted on 04/29/2002 4:44:35 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: mlmr
Your best bet for reliability:
Inkjet: HP - each time you replace the ink cartridge, the spray head is replaced as well, as part of the package. I have an Epson in my attic that I wish was a HP because of that.
Laser: IMHO, Lexmark or HP, in that order; workhorses, both of them.
9 posted on 04/29/2002 4:44:59 PM PDT by Marauder
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To: hillary's_fat_a**
Thank you!
10 posted on 04/29/2002 4:45:32 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
My only advice would be to check that whatever printer you buy has drivers available that your operating system will support. With some of the recent iterations of Windows there's been a lag in the availability of this crucial software. My understanding is that with an XP/HP combination it's a particular problem...this may have recently been rectified, I don't know, though I agree that HP makes some mighty fine product.

I have Canon stuff right now personally. No complaints. I've owned HP and it was great product as well. Probably a good move if you stay within these brands. At least that's what the guys in our tech office said when I posed the question.

Good luck, eh!

11 posted on 04/29/2002 4:45:48 PM PDT by mitchbert
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To: mlmr
I would get an HP 2200.
12 posted on 04/29/2002 4:47:41 PM PDT by TheCPA
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To: mlmr
Depends on what you call "expensive". I have to agree with Dinsdale that even their cheap printers are good, as long as you don't make heavy demands on them. It depends on your uses and your load. I often print out rather thick manuals, so I needed something that could handle heavier printing loads. The 1175 cxi cost about $950 about three years ago. The designjet 500 ps cost about $4200. It's all relative, it depends on your needs.

All in all, however, the inkjet paradigm is fantastic, it has been very, very, very good to me. I like HP inkjets a whole lot.

13 posted on 04/29/2002 4:47:58 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: mlmr
HP is the only printer manufacturer to look at. Be sure it is laser and not inkjet if you want permanent prints.
14 posted on 04/29/2002 4:51:05 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: mlmr
I'd stick to name brands HP, Epson etc. Stay away from those cheap do it all machines. First go out and price toner cartridges. See how many sheets can be printed per cartridge before you have to buy a new one and also see if lower cost remanufactured cartridges are available and how many sheets they'll print. I'd also consider inkjets, they are now very fast and quality is up there plus most will do color. Again make sure you check out the cost of the cartridges and whether you can resupply with black ink only which will be majority of printing. Remember that over the life of the printer, regardless of type, cartridges & ink /per sheets printed will be the number one cost factor, not the initial cost. Its a real bummer buying that new printer for a bargain price and then realizing that you have to shell out another $150 for a cartridge that prints only a thousand sheets. At my office I have everyone printing the majority of their work thru the copy machine which prints at a extremely low cost per sheet and uses raw toner reloads instead of cartridges. JMHO. Hope it helps.
15 posted on 04/29/2002 4:55:13 PM PDT by foto
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To: mlmr
I have four HP deskjets of various types, all low-cost end of the HP line. While I used to really like HP, the units all suffer a dismaying aggravation -- the paper feed rollers get too polished by the paper and misfeed. I tried cleaning them but have found that runing a very fine emery cloth sheet thru with the emery side to the rollers works, and cleaning does not. I have to pull on the sheet and feed it through five or six times.

A second aggravtion is compatibility with Linux, which varies from model to model, and even supported models may not be fully functional under Linux.

The Linux compatibility issue also gets to whether the printers are "winprinter" types, where HP saves on CPU horsepower in the printer by making your PC do more. That is an aggravation when you have a bunch of stuff running.

You should mention what you want to use the printer for. If you want to copy photos, a regular inkjet is not the best choice -- adequate quality originally may be there but the inks quickly fade. If you want to make mailings, to address envelopes, you'd best look at envelop feeding mechanisms -- but don't take the spec's at face value on that.

17 posted on 04/29/2002 4:56:34 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Maybe 10 to 20 sheets a day??
18 posted on 04/29/2002 4:57:03 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
HP printers are the best all around printers - excellent quality, rugged, versatile, long lasting. I have owned many, both personally and for heavy business use, from the original Thinkjet (the first inkjet printer) to the laserjet HP II's, the HP4M's, the HP4MV's (11x17!), the HP5M's, the HP6's, the network-biggie 4500DN's and a whole lot more (even a couple of color laserjet printers). Every one I(we) have every bought is still working today!

That said, at my small home business today I use two laser printers, an HP6MP (with postscript ~$900 a couple of years ago) on one system and a Samsung ML-4500 on the other (under $150 at Sam's Club). If one broke tomorrow, I'm afraid I would just buy another Samsung.
19 posted on 04/29/2002 4:57:11 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: kezekiel
HP LaserJets will still be running when the Messiah comes

Do you expect HIM soon?? smile!!

20 posted on 04/29/2002 4:58:22 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: balrog666
Is the little ink box expensive on the samsung?
21 posted on 04/29/2002 5:01:19 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: one_particular_harbour
Is a laserjet an ink jet or a laser printer. I want a laser that doesnt cost the world.
22 posted on 04/29/2002 5:03:42 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: one_particular_harbour
Laserjets are tanks. You'll eventually take them into the woods and shoot them just so you can get a spiffy new one (unless you're the boss). Old hard drive make better targets IMHO, take off the cover, apply 12V, shoot.

They are/were expensive when new. Anybody want a working IID (10+ years old, not enough internal memory, 1.5 MB, to render with modern software, Freight COD). Don't expect modern plastic part printers to last as long, you get what you pay for.

23 posted on 04/29/2002 5:03:48 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: mlmr
HP Lasers. The 2000 and 4000 series are workhorses. They have a much better feeding mechanism than the cheaper lasers like Lexmark. The Lexmark printers are cheap, but the ink and toner will kill you. I still have an HP 4L I pulled out of a dumpster over 3 years ago, and it's still chugging away. I'll be the first one in line to bash HP's computers, but you can't really beat their printers.
24 posted on 04/29/2002 5:03:59 PM PDT by TheLurkerX
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To: mlmr
Go to a few office supply stores like Office Max and talk to the salesperson who knows about the printers. We did this and learned MORE than we needed to know! I just wanted a cheap printer to use with my laptop. There is usually someone at these stores who really knows a lot about printers, and if not, ask the manager for someone who can really help you. They can answer questions specific to your requirements. We bought a cheap one and a very expensive one, and they are both good.....
25 posted on 04/29/2002 5:05:26 PM PDT by buffyt
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To: one_particular_harbour,mlmr
I hope mlmr sees your post. If I needed a laser printer for business I would buy a used HP laser of the same vintage as yours. Heavy but durable.
26 posted on 04/29/2002 5:05:49 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
is there a place where one can get used equipment??
27 posted on 04/29/2002 5:07:16 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
HP. I have used one for 6 years now and am really impressed. A couple of times I had a problem with it, and had to go to their web site. Did a search for maintenance and found detailed instructiuons for correcting the problem including pictures. The other manufacturers ask if it is plugged in, and if so, send in to be fixed.

Warning tho, the HP requires a special printer cable, make sure it is a cable for the machine you buy.

28 posted on 04/29/2002 5:07:56 PM PDT by Lokibob
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To: mlmr
I have two HP Laserjets. One is a few years old, 600 dpi, and runs like a champ. The other (a 300 dpi) was made in March, 1989, and has over 150,000 printed pages to its credit. If you're looking for reliability, I think there's only one way to go.
29 posted on 04/29/2002 5:10:44 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: mlmr
Hewlett Packard 2200dse LaserJet Printer if you run less than @ 200 pages a day. $799 from Amazon at:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005AV8V/qid=1020125379/br=2-5/ref=br_ts_slwth_th_5/104-9961865-8123165

If you print more than 200 sheets a day, spend $1099 on a Hewlett Packard 4100 LaserJet Printer:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005AKAO/qid=1020125579/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/104-9961865-8123165

30 posted on 04/29/2002 5:14:06 PM PDT by Thud
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To: July 4th
You are right, I need ease and reliability. A comfortable printer.
31 posted on 04/29/2002 5:14:40 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
is there a place where one can get used equipment??

Go to a local used computer equipment store or go to EBAY and buy locally. The old HPs are heavy and worth picking up yourself and not shipped.

Please notice that EBAY makes it very easy to look for your items in your own locale. Let's say you live in Philadelphia and want an HP printer........

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32 posted on 04/29/2002 5:16:03 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: mlmr
This thread is being Freeped by Hewlett-Packard . . .

Every HP printer I've owned or worked with has been trouble. My next printer will be a Canon C80 Stylus.

33 posted on 04/29/2002 5:16:33 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: mlmr
Is the little ink box expensive on the samsung?

Sorry, I don't know yet. I haven't printed the ~6000 pages needed to require a refill.

Good point though, the HP6MP has been through more than that with many odd shaped printing like postcards, personal envelopes, and heavy gauge envelopes and, because I use it so much for the heavy work, I keep a spare toner cartridge around for it.
34 posted on 04/29/2002 5:19:45 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: mlmr
We use an HP laser at work and it is bulletproof. Very few problems, 300+ sheets a day.
35 posted on 04/29/2002 5:23:15 PM PDT by I Luv Bush
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To: balrog666
Thats what I meant to call it : Toner Cartridge! Is it expensive??
36 posted on 04/29/2002 5:24:04 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: BraveMan
This thread is being Freeped by Hewlett-Packard . . . Every HP printer I've owned or worked with has been trouble. My next printer will be a Canon C80 Stylus.

BWAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, you're the shill here! I've owned more HP printers than years you've been alive (I used to own a graphics design shop and commercial printer when my daughter worked in that field).
37 posted on 04/29/2002 5:24:23 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: mlmr
First: what are your requirements (other than simplicity)? High volume? Color? Black/White greyscale?

There are several solutions: If you have a need for high volume and do not need color...definately go with a HP Laser printer. NOT a low end, but definately mid priced. It will last a good 5-10 years without major problems, and the toner cartridges are super easy to change and last for months and months.

If you need color...that's more complicated. I've had 4 different color printers. All fairly good. However, if you do not print out more than 1 page now and then, do NOT get an Epson, or any other printer with refillable tanks. They clog up and it takes forever to unclog them. Often you have to replace the printer (that's why I've had 4!) entirely, since the print head is so clogged with dry ink. Unclogging it is messy too. My current color printer is PERFECT. I can print one page a month, or 50 pages a day without any problems....it's a CANON S630, and I highly recommend it, or a model comperable. It's easy to use, easy to add ink, one color at a time (cheap too), and reliable. Don't get the cheapest...you get what you pay for.

38 posted on 04/29/2002 5:31:39 PM PDT by Goldi-Lox
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To: mlmr
Thats what I meant to call it : Toner Cartridge! Is it expensive??

Sorry, I haven't checked. Most cartridges last 6000+ pages (less if you print a lot of graphics or solid black areas). I have an Office Max and a Staples right down the road and the internet is always stocked, so I only refill when I need to do so. But, from past experience, most refill cartridges are quite comparable in price (say $100) and last 4000 (refilled cartridges) to 6-8000 impressions (new).

Also, having indulged in refilled toner cartridges in the past (hey, they are cheaper), I will never use them again.
39 posted on 04/29/2002 5:32:30 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: mlmr
Epson Stylus Photo printers are the best inkjets, period.

HP's inkjets are mediocre.

For a black-and-white laser, you cannot beat an HP.

--Boris

40 posted on 04/29/2002 5:32:46 PM PDT by boris
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To: mlmr
I Need a Techno Freeper

Sorry, my leather jacket, mirrorshades, and DAF record collection are in permanent retirement.

41 posted on 04/29/2002 5:35:07 PM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: mlmr
I have an HP Laserjet 3100 that I bought in '98. It also functions as a fax and copy machine... really handy. We decided to get it because it had all the features we wanted in a laser (600 dpi - the best at that time - ease of use with envelopes and various paper thicknesses and sizes, e.g. a flip switch for weird stuff like transparencies or card stock or envelopes). The fax and copy wasn't that much more $, when we compared prices with other lasers that didn't have those options. The kids use the copier more than I do.

Lately I noticed that it likes to suck in several blank pages at a time (somebody addressed that issue already, I think), but I haven't gotten around to playing with it. Most of the time all that paper just feeds right through like it was one sheet and almost never jams, so who cares, LOL. Other than that it's run perfectly, not one problem with envelopes ever. And it's in the same room as the wood stove... I blow the soot off the printer every now and again. :-]

42 posted on 04/29/2002 5:35:29 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: bvw
While I used to really like HP, the units all suffer a dismaying aggravation -- the paper feed rollers get too polished by the paper and misfeed. I tried cleaning them but have found that runing a very fine emery cloth sheet thru with the emery side to the rollers works, and cleaning does not. I have to pull on the sheet and feed it through five or six times.

Similar problem here.

I've an HP 5L Laser printer where the paper sticks out the top--the feed on this machine has been nothing but trouble.

After the first year or so (and mind you, this printer does NOT get heavy use) the machine began to grab several sheets of paper at a time, frequently jamming.

One particularly nasty jam I was unable to clear completely; this resulted in my having to ship the printer back to HP for repair.

After I got it back, HP told me to periodically clean the rollers with some kind of pre-moistened wipes.

All was fine for about six months when the trouble returned.

The cleaning didn't do much good.

Now I just live with the problem by reaching over and placing my finger lightly against the paper in the hoppper to insure only one page at a time enters the printer.

I hate this printer for that reason--the paper feed is a totally dopey design that was done to give the machine a smaller footprint.

When I first saw the machine with the paper sticking out the top, I decided to use my old, dignified HP 4L printer for my office, where the 4L's low profile allows it to fit in a printer drawer in my credenza.

The ugly pain in the butt paper jamming 5L printer is in my home office.

I'll never buy another printer with such a dopey paper feed design.

43 posted on 04/29/2002 5:36:15 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Goldi-Lox
Hi there. First of all, everything you said is true. Secondly, the manufacturers of the printers have heard about these problems and have new technologies to fix these problems. For example, I have both an Epson Photo 2000P printer and an HP designjet 500 ps printer. Both are inkjets, and both print in color. Also, in the time that I have had both, they have not had any serious clogging issues with the inks.

Why? Because the newer printers are seperating the ink tanks and the printer heads, and introducing pressure in-between the ink tanks and the printer heads. In the HP designjet 500 not only are the ink tanks and the printer heads in seperate places, but they are both replaceable! This really makes maintenance easy, and gives me the best of all possible worlds, a pressurized ink system to prevent clogging, and removable print heads if they ever do clog beyond the point where the printer can clear itself.

Technology marches on. Just wanted to give you the update on the latest and greatest.

44 posted on 04/29/2002 5:37:17 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: mlmr
used equipment = EBAY!!!
45 posted on 04/29/2002 5:38:34 PM PDT by Goldi-Lox
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To: Thinkin' Gal
I have an HP Laserjet 3100 that I bought in '98 . . . . Lately I noticed that it likes to suck in several blank pages at a time

Me three--see my post immediately below yours.

I begged a friend of mine not to buy an HP with this type of paper feed. Did he listen? No.

Now he's got the same annoying problem.

46 posted on 04/29/2002 5:40:19 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
In my office those top loading HP 5s are the ones everyone trades for anything else that becomes available. If someone leaves, that night their computer's printer disappears to be replaced with one of "those". The paper feed problem is in all of them. It's a basic design problem. (They really should have recalled them ALL.)

I have an HP Laserjet 4L. I love it. I use one cartridge every year or two. I've had it for a LONG time. 600 dpi. Holds about 200 sheets. Does enevelopes one at a time, or if the papertray drawer is modified. I only do one or two at a time anyway, so it's fine for me. (I have a Seiko lable maker for more envelopes than 2). My Canon is used for the occasional color prints I make, which need to be high quality, and long lasting. Even the occasional black text print on the Canon is great.

47 posted on 04/29/2002 5:49:50 PM PDT by Goldi-Lox
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To: BraveMan
Excuse me.......I am not a HP employee........on the contrary, I am a 65 yr. old woman with NO tech skills at all. We have a HP Deskjet 722C attached to the computer that has never ever given a moment's trouble.

We use good paper, get great looking copies, and even use photo paper for great photographs too.

The color is great and we have had NO problems at all in four years.

48 posted on 04/29/2002 5:52:37 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: mlmr
I've had three HP LaserJets. The new ones are the best, in my opinion. The first one I had sucked up power and ran hot. The latest ones conserve power, run cool, and run forever before you need to replace the toner cartridge.

The only reason I can think of to buy an inkjet printer would be if you want to do color printing.

49 posted on 04/29/2002 5:53:28 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: mlmr
If you are only printing 20 sheets a day, you probably don't want the bigger (better) models. I have a 3 year old Brother HL-1040, and it is very reliable. You can get the current model (1340? 1440?) easily for less than $300. Toner cartidges are pretty cheap ($30-40), and long-lasting. I'm sure HP and Canon have similar 'low-end' models.

Reviews can be found at Tom's or ZDnet
Check prices at Pricewatch

50 posted on 04/29/2002 5:56:30 PM PDT by fnord
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