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THE OTHER VAN DAM STORY(New article from San Diego will have V.D. PR machine will be in overdrive!)
San Diego Online ^
| May 1, 2002
| Thomas K. Arnold
Posted on 05/01/2002 4:03:29 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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Please show me where this has been determined to be a *fact*. I asked earlier today and no one was able to show me a source for this. I have been looking for the source myself and can't find anything. I'm still curious as to whether the boys were/are insured.
posted on 05/02/2002 2:59:29 PM PDT
posted on 05/02/2002 3:01:10 PM PDT
Fres, do you know if the social workers/counselors reports on the brothers will ever be released? I bet they can't sleep at night.
I don't know how we would know if the boys were insured or not?? Seems that might be private information. Don't know where the info came from on the Actual $100,000 policy on Danielle...
posted on 05/02/2002 3:05:59 PM PDT
AND IN THE FUTURE SOMEWHERE ....... as it turned out, everyone in the community (the Van Dams, the police, the judge, the press, the registered sex offenders) were all members of various swingers clubs in the California area, and David Westerfield was the only person in the entire community that wasn't.
Well at this point it looks like the conspiracy may only be known to God...
Gee, Kim...if the real murderer is behind bars, then they should sleep like babies. OTOH....
posted on 05/02/2002 3:07:46 PM PDT
Please show me where this has been determined to be a *fact*.
You are referring to the $100,000 life insurance policy on Danielle.
I don't have proof. I will look to see if I can find any.
I thought you had so much compassion for them? ;-) (/kidding)
You're joking, right? Which part of the transcripts are you referring to? These are from the official transcipts...the ones the news articles were referring to. (assuming the website is for real)
20 Q MR. ARMSTRONG TOLD YOU THAT HE FOUND NO
21 IMAGES DEPICTING CHILDREN ENGAGED IN SEXUAL ACTS?
22 A HE FOUND THAT HE DIDN'T BELIEVE THEY WERE
23 PREPUBESCENT PHOTOS OR DIGITAL IMAGES, WHICH
24 APPARENTLY IS WHAT HE GOES BY. HE SPENT ABOUT AN
25 HOUR-AND-A-HALF LOOKING THROUGH THE PHOTOS.
26 Q HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG HE SPENT?
27 A I WAS IN THE OFFICE WITH HIM.
28 Q BUT DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT YOU DIDN'T WORK
next page 282
1 WITH HIM?
2 A HE REQUESTED TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE
3 IMAGES. HE SAID HE HAD BEEN REQUESTED TO LOOK AT IT
4 BY LIEUTENANT COLLINS. SO WE ALLOWED HIM TO EXAMINE
5 THE COMPUTER.
6 Q THIS WAS ALL 67-, 68,000 IMAGES FROM THESE
7 COMPUTERS; IS THAT RIGHT?
8 A THAT IS CORRECT.
9 Q AND SO YOU DISAGREE WITH MR. ARMSTRONG'S
10 CONCLUSIONS; IS THAT RIGHT?
11 A NOT AT ALL.
I do. And what if YOU are wrong, Kim and the children are in great danger. Ever think about that?
Poor little boys, huddled together, each taking turns at sleeping while the other stays awake, waiting for a member of the vd swinging partners club to stalk into their room and GRAB them....BOO!
posted on 05/02/2002 3:21:32 PM PDT
LATEST INFO FROM COURT/WESTERFIELD...Just getting now.....
Judge Says Decision Based On Right To Fair Trial
Posted: 1:40 p.m. PDT May 2, 2002
Updated: 1:51 p.m. PDT May 2, 2002
-- Pretrial motions dealing with David Westerfield's statements to police and "lifestyle" issues involving Danielle van Dam's parents will remain sealed until further notice, a judge has ruled.
Superior Court Judge William Mudd also ruled that autopsy photos of the victim and photographs of the bedroom where the 7-year-old Sabre Springs girl was abducted will remain sealed until he has a chance to hear arguments on their admissibility at trial.
The judge did rule, however, that a number of motions -- including a prosecution request to allow a jury to view Westerfield's motor home and a motion to sequester the panel -- will be made public Monday.
Westerfield, 50, is charged with murder, kidnapping, possession of child pornography and a special circumstance allegation of murder during a kidnapping in connection with Danielle van Dam's death.
Deputy District Attorney Jeff Dusek announced last week that his office will ask a jury to recommend the death penalty if Westerfield is convicted.
Mudd said his decision to keep some documents and attachments sealed weighed heavily in favor of Westerfield's right to a fair trial as well as "the people's right to a fair hearing."
The judge said the release of motions pertaining to "lifestyle issues" involving the victim's parents would "excessively invade the privacy of Mr. and Mrs. van Dam. They will remain under seal."
Mudd also refused to release prosecution documents stating aggravating factors on why they are seeking Westerfield's execution.
The judge said the motions raise post-convictions issues.
"It has nothing to do with the guilt phase of the trial," Mudd said.
The judge said some of the hearings scheduled to begin Tuesday will be off-limits to the public because of their nature. Mudd said he will rule on that issue on a motion-by-motion basis.
Brenda and Damon van Dam discovered that their daughter was missing from her bed the morning of Feb. 2. Volunteer searchers in the East County found the 7-year-old's body on Feb. 27, along a road in Dehesa.
Westerfield, who lived two doors down from the van Dams in Sabre Springs, was questioned almost immediately about the girl's disappearance. Police kept the self-employed design engineer under surveillance and arrested him Feb. 22.
Affidavits police prepared in support of requests for warrants to search Westerfield's home and recreational vehicle also remain sealed.
Last week, Mudd ordered prosecutors to let Westerfield's attorneys and their expert to view "questionable" material lifted from the defendant's home computer.
Some of the material allegedly depicts naked girls, some engaged in sexual acts with humans and animals.
No TV coverage will be allowed of the pretrial hearings, which could take up to two weeks.
More breaking Westerfield news.....
May 2, 2002
Lawyers for David Westerfield want to sequester the jury in his upcoming murder trial, a process that involves keeping jurors separated from the public day and night, a judge revealed today.
Also today, Superior Court Judge William Mudd decided to seal court documents that discuss Westerfield's statements to police and that contain potentially embarrassing information about the parents of the girl he's charged with killing.
Prosecutors are opposed to the idea of sequestering a jury. Several legal experts had different opinions about whether Mudd might grant it.
Attorneys for the Sabre Springs engineer accused of kidnapping and killing 7-year-old Danielle van Dam filed the request sometime in the past few weeks. On Monday, the press will be allowed to see copies of the motion and the prosecution's opposition, the judge said today.
At that time, the press will also get to see several other motions that lawyers have filed in the case, many of them dealing with how the trial might proceed, the judge said. Jury selection is set to start May 17.
The judge said he will keep several other motions secret from the public, at least for the time being. Those motions contain information about statements Westerfield made to the police information that may or may not be admissible at his trial, the judge said.
Among other things, some of the sealed motions also contain "lifestyle" information that may "excessively invade the privacy of Mr. and Mrs. van Dam" if released to the press, the judge said.
Danielle's parents have admitted smoking marijuana the night she vanished from her home, two doors away from where Westerfield lived. Westerfield's lawyers have hinted that the couple was also involved in wife-swapping.
The judge also said he will keep a document filed by prosecutors that outlines the evidence they will present at the penalty phase of the trial should the jury find Westerfield guilty.
Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty against Westerfield, a twice-divorced engineer whom they believe was sexually attracted to young girls.
The judge said releasing such information to the public would be "premature" and "has the potential to jeopardize the integrity of the trial."
It was unclear today when, if ever, the judge might consider these sealed documents available for public viewing.
It was also unclear whether the media would appeal the judge's ruling. An attorney for the Union-Tribune and other news organizations said the press has a well-established right to see all pre-trial motions in criminal cases, even those discussing evidence that might not be admitted at trial.
Are you STILL saying that all 68,000 images were porn? That says "all images from the computer".There could have been 10,000 smilies for all we know.
|Join KFMB's Rick Roberts for BREAKING NEWS regarding Jahi Turner
BREAKING NEWS FROM RICK:
JAHI TURNER IS MISSING!* * BREAKING NEWS FROM RICK ROBERTS * *
You heard Rick break the heart-wrenching news on Thursday, April 25th, during The Court Of Public Opinion: A two-year-old boy, Jahi Turner, was missing.
Rick's sources now say San Diego Police are discounting Jahi's stepfather's story that the boy disappeared from the "tot lot" playground on the southeast edge of Balboa Park.
Tieray Jones, Jahi's stepfather and the last person to see him, failed a police lie detector test.
Tieray's account of the events leading to Jahi's disappearance are inconsistent.
SDPD did not find any of Jahi's fingerprints on the playground equipment.
Marines from San Diego are being brought in to help the SDPD search through tons of rubbish at the Miramar Landfill.
WOW...your post #130...sobering....those little boys need to be away from these degenerates....shame on the SD CPU workers....they certainly do the right thing when families don't have PR teams, Media Consultants and Lawyers.....
same link: MR. DUSEK: THEY APPLY TO COUNT 3 AND THEY WILL
6 ALSO INDICATE MOTIVE FOR WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID.
7 THE COURT: I UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVE. I
8 UNDERSTAND THAT.
"The judge said the release of motions pertaining to "lifestyle issues" involving the victim's parents would "excessively invade the privacy of Mr. and Mrs. van Dam." They will remain under seal."
Wow! Wonder how bad the "lifestyle issues" can be?
posted on 05/02/2002 3:33:00 PM PDT
What am I wrong about spec? I never said they weren't swingers. Do you think that if the social workers who I'm told are VERY on top of things in cal, would have left the boys with the parents if they for once thought they were in danger? At some point, you either have to trust SOMEONE in this mess, or fight for justice!!
By Joe Cantlupe
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
April 29, 2002
FREDERICK, Md. There is anguish, worry and disbelief on Hope Circle.
This is where 2-year-old Jahi Turner lived until recently, and his disappearance 3,000 miles away in San Diego has several residents including the boy's extended family talking.
"This is very shocking. We can't make sense of what has happened," said the boy's great-grandmother, Sylvia Naylor. "What we are trying to do is find answers and pray."
Jahi's biological father, Tramane Sampson, 24, said he last saw Jahi a few days before the boy was taken by his mother and stepfather to the West Coast. He fears the worst.
"Anything can happen so close to the border," he said.
Jahi has been missing since Thursday afternoon. The boy's stepfather, Tieray Jones, told police he left the toddler for about 15 minutes at a Balboa Park playground while Jones went to get a soda. When he returned, Jahi was gone.
Jahi's mother, Tameka Jones, is a sailor and was at sea aboard the amphibious ship Rushmore at the time. She has since returned to San Diego.
Sampson, 24, said he broke up with Jahi's mother while she was pregnant and acknowledged that they don't get along. He has told police he knows nothing about Jahi's whereabouts, and police say he is not a suspect in the abduction.
Sampson said he wants to come to San Diego to search for his son, "but I can't afford it." (Where are the Van Dam's and their fund raising money machine..??? Calling Bill Libby!!!)
Last night, as a steady rain fell, family and residents held a candlelight vigil in the cul-de-sac not far from where Jahi had lived with his grandparents. Some of Jahi's relatives in Maryland don't get along, but all have been praying for the safe return of their kin.
Until a few weeks ago, Jahi had been staying with Penny Thompson, the boy's maternal grandmother. She has declined to talk to reporters, but police officers who have spoken to her say she's deeply worried about her grandson's well-being.
She's not the only one living in the neighborhood of apartments and town houses who is concerned. A neighbor of the Thompsons had a small note strung on the doorknob:
"Jahi, we are praying for your safe return," it read.
About 150 yards away, in another Hope Circle town house, Jahi's paternal grandmother, Dina Naylor, said her grandson is all she thinks about. Like Sampson, she fears the worst.
"Sometimes I think the baby was given away to somebody. Sometimes I think somebody just took him," Naylor said.
The last time she saw Jahi was a few days before he was flown to San Diego. They played catch together most of that afternoon, she said.
"I keep thinking, 'What is he doing? Is he crying? What is he doing?' "
In their last conversation, Jahi's mother assured Naylor that Jahi was fine.
"She said, 'I can go to work at the base, and keep Jahi in day care, and then pick him up,' " Naylor said.
The family of Tieray Jones could not be reached yesterday. He grew up in nearby Montgomery County and then moved to Frederick in his teens. He attended a vocational school, and held odd jobs before he moved to California, neighbors said.
The Frederick County Sheriff's Office said Jones is wanted on two separate warrants for missing court appearances on misdemeanor marijuana possession charges, but police in San Diego say he is not a suspect in Jahi's disappearance.
Jahi lives with his mother and stepfather in a Navy housing complex on Beech Street, about a mile from the Balboa Park playground where Jahi was last seen.
Could the VD's be hanging around Tie-Ray to score some of tha Maui-Waui that Brenda loves so much?????
I can't remember why I brought it up today..but mizs asked me a question..and that's why I replied. Yes, it doesn't have the "porn" in the highlighted part..but later portions of the testimony do refer to porn..at some point it says less than 100 appeared to be under 18. I've gotta go for now things to do.
21 TO THEM, WHICH WOULD ALTER IT. WE SCANNED THROUGH
22 IT, AND MR. YOUNGFLESH SAW WHAT HE FELT -- WHAT HE
23 REFERRED TO AS QUESTIONABLE IMAGES.
24 Q WHICH MEANS WHAT?
25 A WHICH MEANS IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS -- IT HAD
26 DEPICTIONS OF PEOPLE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 THAT WERE
27 EITHER CLOTHED OR PARTIALLY -- I'M SORRY. NAKED OR
28 PARTIALLY NAKED. AND WHO WERE EITHER ENGAGED IN
1 SEXUAL ACTS OR IN SEXUAL POSES, THAT SORT OF THING.
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