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Human Rights Watch: No massacre in Jenin camp
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| 5/3/02
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Posted on 05/03/2002 6:05:14 AM PDT by tomahawk
Human Rights Watch: No massacre in Jenin camp
By The Jerusalem Post Internet Staff
IDF troops did not carry out a massacre in the Jenin refugee camp, the international Human Rights Watch organization has announced following it's investigation of the recent events.
According to the HRW report, Palestinian gunmen endangered the lives of local residents by preparing and setting explosive devices inside the refugee camp.
Armed Palestinians also utilized the camp area in order to plan terror attacks, the report determined.
During interviews with Human Rights Watch researchers, local Palestinian residents of the refugee camp did not claim IDF carried out a massacre....
The organization's chief investigator told Israel Radio that Human Rights Watch intends to publish a separate report on Palestinian suicide attacks on Israeli civilian targets - a phenomenon that he termed a crime against humanity.
The report will also investigate the involvement of sovereign nations in the preparation and execution of Palestinian suicide attacks.
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KEYWORDS: jenin; palestinianlies
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The Media Whores have already libeled Israel and will not correct their false reports of "hundreds" or "thousands" of civilians being killed in the Jenin "refugee camp". Many hundreds of FReepers knew there was no "massacre" there, but a few dozen of Israel-haters bought into it (because they wanted to).
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:05:15 AM PDT
by
tomahawk
To: tomahawk
No evidence of massacre in Jenin, says Human Rights Watch
By The Associated Press
JERUSALEM - A U.S.-based human rights group said Israeli troops may have committed "war crimes" during the house-to-house battle at the Jenin refugee camp, but there was no evidence supporting Palestinian claims of a massacre.
In a report to be published Friday, Human Rights Watch said three of its investigators spent a week gathering testimony in the Jenin camp and documented the deaths of 52 Palestinians, 22 of whom were civilians.
"Many of the civilians were killed willfully or unlawfully," a summary of the 48-page report said. "The abuses we documented in Jenin are extremely serious and in some cases appear to be war crimes."
An army spokesman said the military was studying the summary. Israel has said that Palestinian militants themselves broke the rules of war by setting up bases and stockpiling arms and explosives in a civilian residential area.
Danny Ayalon, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said, "I flatly reject the war crimes charge. It was a war zone. It was full of booby traps and explosives," adding that the Israeli army "did everything to be reasonable."
He also disputed the group's figures. "Of the 51 bodies found, 44 were of armed terrorists and seven of civilians, which we very much regret," he said.
The Jenin Hospital said Wednesday that 52 bodies had been recovered so far.
The eight days of fierce fighting in the camp ended April 11 and left 23 Israeli soldiers dead and dozens more wounded.
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat on Thursday called Jenin "the new Stalingrad," referring to the Russian city now known as Volgograd where about 1 million Soviet soldiers and civilians died during a 200-day offensive by the German army, in the bloodiest battle of World War ll.
Other Palestinian officials have alleged that hundreds of Palestinians were killed during the Israeli invasion of the Jenin camp. Palestinian Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat told CNN that 500 Palestinians had been killed in the fighting, although he later told The Associated Press he could not document the figure.
Human Rights Watch said its experts had found nothing to back such allegations.
"Human Rights Watch did not find evidence to support claims that the (Israeli military) massacred hundreds of Palestinians in the camp," the report said.
Fakhri Turkman, a Palestinian Legislative Council member and the head of an emergency committee set up to help camp residents, criticized Human Rights Watch and other groups who did not use the term "massacre" to describe the Israeli operation.
"Sometimes we call it a massacre when you kill one innocent person," he told The Associated Press on Thursday.
Citing specific cases, Human Rights Watch charged that troops killed a wounded Palestinian gunman hours after he had been disarmed. The group also alleged that fire from an Israeli armored vehicle killed a 14-year-old boy on his way to buy groceries after the army lifted its curfew in the camp.
It said a 57-year-old man, Kamal Zghair, was shot and then run over by tanks as he was moving along a main road in a wheelchair, displaying a white flag. The report said a paralyzed man was crushed in the rubble of his home after soldiers refused to give his family sufficient time to carry him away before the army bulldozed the house.
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:09:38 AM PDT
by
tomahawk
To: tomahawk
According to the HRW report, Palestinian gunmen endangered the lives of local residents by preparing and setting explosive devices inside the refugee camp.
Imagine that. A human rights group with integrity.
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:11:29 AM PDT
by
Asclepius
To: tomahawk
well, shazaaam ! [ /gomer] who'da thunk it ??
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:12:48 AM PDT
by
tomkat
To: tomahawk
If killing 7 or even 22 civilians in an explosives-laden, homicide-bomber-assembly-line (23 bombers came from Jenin) "refugee camp" is a "war crime", after the residents were told to leave, then bombing Afghan villages where Al Qaeda/Taliban were suspected of being located, killing hundreds if not thousands of civilians is also a "war crime". As is bombing and shelling Grozny in Chechnya, which killed thousands of civilians. Yet no one is trying to prosecute George Bush or Vladimir Putin, only Ariel Sharon and the IDF. Why is that?
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:13:39 AM PDT
by
tomahawk
To: tomahawk; Jethro Tull
Many hundreds of FReepers knew there was no "massacre" there, but a few dozen of Israel-haters bought into it Hmmmm.....I wonder who tomahawk is talking about...
To: tomahawk
How many Israeli women and children have had their lives saved by the Jenin operation? Hard to calculate. The bombings have stopped (at least for now). But the "human rights organizations" don't give you credit for saving lives.
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:18:07 AM PDT
by
tomahawk
To: tomahawk
Because there is nothing that these folks hate more than Jews with guns and tanks.
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:18:57 AM PDT
by
ohioman
To: tomahawk
Sometimes we call it a massacre when you kill one innocent person And other times, like when we kill Jews at pizza parlors and Passover seders, we don't.
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:20:12 AM PDT
by
Alouette
To: tomahawk
Time to send the link to every major media outlet in the U.S.
To: tomahawk
Note how the Jerusalem Post article omitted all the parts critical of Israel.
To: tomahawk
You mean the Palestinians were lying, tell me it isn't so. Oh I'm so disappointed in these wonderful straight truthful people. (Sarcasm off) Phooey! that was terrible even saying it in jest, these people are terrorists it's not that hard to figure out if you just open ones eyes.
To: ThreeOfSeven
I noticed that. I also noticed that the ap report omitted all parts critical of the Palestinians (e.g., endangering civilians by planting explosives in their midst). Spinning from all sides...
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:48:41 AM PDT
by
ellery
To: ThreeOfSeven
Actually, the didn't. I did. I truncated one paragraph and used an ellipsis (...), but then I posted the AP story which had the other stuff.
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posted on
05/03/2002 6:49:20 AM PDT
by
tomahawk
To: anniegetyourgun
The news media have already frozen the story into the following:
"Palestinians claim there was a massacre in Jenin. Israelis deny that a massacre took place." This is accompanied by pictures of collapsed houses, a body being pulled from the rubble, and a staged portrayal of the "homeless" sitting under part of a torn canvas.
This kind of reporting is the type of "truth" we are getting from all of our major news media. Journalism in the U.S. has reached an abominably low level.
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posted on
05/03/2002 7:04:42 AM PDT
by
NCDoc
To: tomahawk
Actually, the didn't. I did. I truncated one paragraph and used an ellipsis (...), but then I posted the AP story which had the other stuff. Thanks for clearing that up. This is the paragraph that you left out:
However, the report discussed cases of war crimes and human rights violations on the part of IDF soldiers and requested Israel investigate such incidents.
It still omits details and could leave readers with the false impression that the report only requested an Israeli investigation.
To: NCDoc
You're right. I could use similar "reporting" tactics to make the U.S. look like butchers of Afghan and Iraqi kids. Also, the NATO attacks on Serbia could be shown to be "war crimes" (bombing a television station, knowing there are journalists inside). The liberal Media Whores are waging war on Israel far more effectively than the terrorists. The Media Whores are the terrorists allies.
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posted on
05/03/2002 7:13:49 AM PDT
by
tomahawk
To: tomahawk
The report said a paralyzed man was crushed in the rubble of his home after soldiers refused to give his family sufficient time to carry him away before the army bulldozed the house. If that were true, the Israelis would have admitted it and apologized by now. This is bunk.
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posted on
05/03/2002 7:18:26 AM PDT
by
kezekiel
To: tomahawk
Boy, that is certainly a clever way to get in some anti-Bush/anti-waronterrorism propaganda. Hide it in the middle of a valid point, namely that the propagandists have been out in force against Sharon and Israel.
We have not killed thousands of innocents in Afghanistan any more than there was a massacre in Jenin.
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posted on
05/03/2002 7:36:29 AM PDT
by
Dales
To: Asclepius
Looks pretty unbiased to me. Disputes the Pali's claims but as the same time documents that war is hell and sometimes soliders do stupid things in the heat of battle.
To: tomahawk
IDF troops did not carry out a massacre in the Jenin refugee camp, the international Human Rights Watch organization has announced following it's investigation of the recent events.Wait a minute. Surely Al Jazeera did not get it wrong.
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posted on
05/03/2002 7:42:36 AM PDT
by
JoeGar
To: Dales
I hope you're right. But if you listen to NPR and read the Eurotrash papers, they said that "human rights" groups reported that there were large civilians casualties in Afghanistan. Even if there were, it was (unfortunate) collateral damage.
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posted on
05/03/2002 7:50:04 AM PDT
by
tomahawk
To: Asclepius
"Fakhri Turkman, a Palestinian Legislative Council member..."Or would that be "Faker Turkman"?
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posted on
05/03/2002 7:55:40 AM PDT
by
Redbob
To: ThreeOfSeven
Human Rights Watch: No massacre in Jenin camp Whoopsy.
You are just havin' a really crappy day today.
To: tomahawk
If you listen to NPR and to Eurotrash papers, there was a massacre in Jenin. Or at least there was until now; let's see where it goes from here.
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posted on
05/03/2002 8:02:03 AM PDT
by
Dales
To: Asclepius
Imagine that. A human rights group with integrity.Don't believe it, brother. Amnesty International and these guys (HRW) rival for how liberal and bleeding-heart they can get. I think HRW recently decried America's horrible human rights record, in our borders.
So if THESE guys conclude there was no "massacre", then there wasn't.
To: NCDoc
I guess they feel commited to preserving their first position.
To: tomahawk
To: My Identity
Nice compilation. Stopping the Jenin Myth was important. You have done a great job of assembling the information.
To: tomahawk
Holy cow, if a bunch of left-wing liberal weenies like HRW sees the light, there might be hope for our lost lefty loved-ones yet!
To: tomahawk
What makes this particularly interesting is that HRW is a left-wing group. They regularly criticize the US for the dath penalty and so on. Here is their release on the report...
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Israel/Occupied Territories: Jenin War Crimes Investigation Needed
Human Rights Watch Report Finds Laws of War Violations Hebrew Français Arabic |
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(Jenin, May 3, 2002) Evidence suggests that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) committed war crimes in the military operation in the Jenin refugee camp, Human Rights Watch charged in a report issued today after a week-long investigation. Human Rights Watch did not find evidence to support claims that the IDF massacred hundreds of Palestinians in the camp.
"The abuses we documented in Jenin are extremely serious, and in some cases appear to be war crimes. Criminal investigations are needed to ascertain individual responsibility for the most serious violations. Such investigations are first and foremost the duty of the Israeli government, but the international community needs to ensure that meaningful accountability occurs." Peter Bouckaert
Senior Researcher
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In its forty-eight page report, "Israel, the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Authority Territories: Jenin: IDF Military Operations," Human Rights Watch identified fifty-two Palestinians who were killed during the operation, of whom twenty-two were civilians. Many of the civilians were killed willfully or unlawfully. Human Rights Watch also found that the IDF used Palestinian civilians as "human shields" and used indiscriminate and excessive force during the operation. "The abuses we documented in Jenin are extremely serious, and in some cases appear to be war crimes," said Peter Bouckaert, senior researcher at Human Rights Watch and a member of the investigative team. "Criminal investigations are needed to ascertain individual responsibility for the most serious violations. Such investigations are first and foremost the duty of the Israeli government, but the international community needs to ensure that meaningful accountability occurs." A Human Rights Watch team of three experienced investigators spent seven days in the Jenin refugee camp, gathering detailed accounts from victims and witnesses and carefully corroborating and independently crosschecking their accounts with those of others to reconstruct a detailed picture of events in the camp in April 2002. The IDF has not agreed to Human Rights Watch's repeated requests for information regarding its military incursions into the West Bank and Gaza. Bouckaert, who headed up earlier Human Rights Watch investigations into wartime abuses in Chechnya, Kosovo, and Afghanistan, said that the Jenin events clearly warrant further investigation. He noted that the hallmark of a professional army is to take seriously the need to establish accountability for serious violations of the laws of war. "There have been widely divergent accounts of what happened in Jenin. A U.N. fact-finding mission could contribute significantly to the search for the truth in Jenin," Bouckaert said. "Israel should cooperate fully with whatever new U.N. fact-finding mission might be established, and there should be no immunity for persons implicated in the most serious violations of the laws of war." On April 3, 2002, the IDF launched a major military operation in the Jenin refugee camp, home to some fourteen thousand Palestinian refugees. An estimated eighty to one hundred armed Palestinians took part in the fighting. Israel claims the camp had been the launching ground for many of the suicide bombings that have killed and maimed over one hundred Israeli civilians in recent months. Human Rights Watch has repeatedly condemned this deliberate killing of civilians. Palestinian armed militants had also planted many explosive devices in the camp prior to and during the IDF incursion. Among the twenty-two civilian deaths documented during this investigation were the following:
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Fifty-seven-year-old Kamal Zghair, a wheelchair-bound man who was shot and then run over by IDF tanks on April 10 as he was moving in his wheelchair equipped with a white flag down a major road in Jenin; -
Thirty-seven-year-old Jamal Fayid, a paralyzed man, who was crushed in the rubble of his home on April 7 after IDF soldiers refused to allow his family the time to remove him from their home before a bulldozer destroyed it; -
Fourteen-year-old Faris Zaiben, who was killed by fire from an IDF armored car as he went to buy groceries when the IDF-imposed curfew was finally lifted on April 11; and -
Fifty-two-year-old 'Afaf Disuqi, who was killed on April 5 by an explosive charge that IDF soldiers had placed at her front door as she went to open it for the soldiers;
In one case involving a wounded Palestinian militant, IDF soldiers for several hours prevented medical help from reaching him. The soldiers then killed the man, who had been left close to a hospital near the camp and was no longer armed or taking active part in the fighting. Human Rights Watch also found evidence of indiscriminate and disproportionate use of force by the IDF. U.S.-supplied helicopters fired anti-tank missiles and other ordinance into the camp, in some cases making insufficient efforts to identify legitimate military targets and avoid hitting civilian houses. The helicopters struck many houses in Jenin refugee camp that were inhabited only by civilians, and where no Palestinian fighters were present. In one of many such cases, a tank shell and two helicopter-fired TOW anti-tank missiles hit the house of Kamal Tawalba, a father of fourteen children, on April 6. No fighters were present in the home. When Tawalba and his family tried to leave their burning home, IDF soldiers in the vicinity shot at them. In another case, a sixty-year-old woman was killed when a helicopter fired a missile directly into her top-floor apartment although there were no armed Palestinians in the building or the immediate vicinity. The IDF's campaign caused extensive and disproportionate destruction of the civilian infrastructure of the camp, particularly in the Hawashin district following an April 9 ambush of Israeli soldiers there. In contrast to other parts of the camp where armored bulldozers were used mainly to widen streets, in Hawashin they razed the entire district. Throughout the camp, at least 140 buildings were completely leveled, many of them multi-family dwellings, and more than 200 others were severely damaged, leaving an estimated 4,000 people, more than a quarter of the population, homeless. More than one hundred of those buildings were in Hawashin district. The extensive, systematic, and deliberate leveling of the entire district was clearly disproportionate to any military objective that Israel aimed to achieve. Establishing whether this devastation so exceeded military necessity as to constitute wanton destruction-a war crime-should be one of the highest priorities for any future U.N. fact-finding team, said Bouckaert. Human Rights Watch also documented cases in which Israeli troops used Palestinian civilians as human shields, a practice prohibited under international humanitarian law. In one case, IDF soldiers forced eight civilians to shield them by making them stand on a balcony while the soldiers fired at Palestinian gunmen. Kamal Tawalba and his fourteen-year-old son were among them. Tawalba described how the soldiers kept them for three hours in the line of fire, and used his and his son's shoulders to rest their rifles as they fired. "Even accepting the Israeli charge that Palestinian groups who used the refugee camp as a base were responsible for attacking Israeli civilians," said Bouckaert, "this does not excuse the IDF violations documented in this report." Bouckaert added that Human Rights Watch found no evidence that Palestinian gunmen forced civilians to serve as human shields during the battles in the camp, and no indication that Palestinian gunmen had prevented Palestinian civilians from leaving the camp. "As in our prior investigations of IDF operations, we also found numerous cases where the IDF coerced Palestinian civilians to take part in military operations," Bouckaert said. "Palestinian civilians were forced, sometimes at gunpoint, to accompany IDF troops during their searches of homes and to carry out some of the most dangerous tasks during these searches." During most of "Operation Defensive Shield," the IDF blocked emergency medical access to Jenin camp. Soldiers repeatedly fired on Red Crescent ambulances, and in one case shot to death a uniformed nurse, twenty-seven-year-old Farwa Jammal, who had come to the assistance of a wounded man. In another case, fifty-eight-year-old Mariam Wishahi died in her home thirty-six hours after she was injured by shrapnel; IDF soldiers repeatedly prevented ambulances from reaching her home, located just a few hundred meters from Jenin's main hospital. During the period the IDF had control of the camp, the Israeli authorities had responsibility under international humanitarian law for the welfare of the civilian population. Yet Israeli authorities denied humanitarian organizations access to the camp during their offensive, and continued to prevent humanitarian access to the refugee camp for days after military operations had ceased, despite great need. Human Rights Watch has investigated and reported on violations of international humanitarian law by governments and armed groups in conflict situations around the globe, including most recently in Kosovo, Bosnia, Chechnya, eastern Congo, Indonesia, Afghanistan, and Colombia.
Human Rights Watch is preparing a separate report on those responsible for suicide bombings directed against Israeli civilians. |
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The report is far from kind to the IDF, however, it refutes the PLO's claims of a massacre.
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posted on
05/03/2002 8:48:34 AM PDT
by
Redcloak
To: tomahawk; Asclepius
To: ThreeOfSeven
This is the paragraph that you left out: However, the report discussed cases of war crimes and human rights violations on the part of IDF soldiers and requested Israel investigate such incidents.
I freely concede that in any war environment, individual soldiers will cross the line. Americans did in WWII, in Vietnam, and maybe even in the Gulf War.
However, it is now time for you to finally pretend you have a shred of intellectual honesty and admit that the Jenin "massacre" never occurred.
To: kezekiel
The report said a paralyzed man was crushed in the rubble of his home after soldiers refused to give his family sufficient time to carry him away before the army bulldozed the house. If that were true, the Israelis would have admitted it and apologized by now. This is bunk.
Wasn't there an earlier report of Palestinians taking a dead person, tying him to a wheelchair, and pushing him out into the path of a vehicle in order to "manufacture" a war crime?
To: tomahawk
The organization's chief investigator told Israel Radio that Human Rights Watch intends to publish a separate report on Palestinian suicide attacks on Israeli civilian targets - a phenomenon that he termed a crime against humanity.Good. There were so many attacks during one period that I know I lost count of it all. Let's see a full listing of not just the dead, but also the blinded, burned, and/or crippled. That will be gruesome, but the suffering of innocent Israeli civilians must be reported.
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posted on
05/03/2002 10:29:23 AM PDT
by
xJones
To: The Electrician
Wasn't there an earlier report of Palestinians taking a dead person, tying him to a wheelchair, and pushing him out into the path of a vehicle in order to "manufacture" a war crime?That sounds a lot more likely, particularly given reports of a fake Pali funeral, and of bodies being dug up and moved to a mass grave to produce the appearance of a massacre. The IDF are not barbarians, and Pali credibility is nil.
To: The Electrician
Wasn't there an earlier report of Palestinians taking a dead person, tying him to a wheelchair, and pushing him out into the path of a vehicle in order to "manufacture" a war crime?Here's a link, provided by My_Identity in post 24: Palestinians booby-trap Wheelchair in Jenin. It's not quite clear to me whether the occupant of the wheelchair was dead or alive. I hope you either saw the Fox News footage last night or read of the Pali *funeral* the other day. The Israelis had claimed that some Palestinian funerals were being stage for PR purposes and one such farce was caught on film. It doesn't help PR when the corpse gets dropped and picks himself up, y'know.
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posted on
05/03/2002 10:40:36 AM PDT
by
xJones
To: xJones
Whoops, My_Identity's post was #28, not 24.
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posted on
05/03/2002 10:42:09 AM PDT
by
xJones
To: xJones
The Israelis had claimed that some Palestinian funerals were being stage for PR purposes and one such farce was caught on film. It doesn't help PR when the corpse gets dropped and picks himself up, y'know. LOL. These idiot palis are the "Keystone Cops" of the modern age. If only they understood the extent to which the civilized word (with some notable exceptions: the French, neo-commie socialists, etc.) holds them in utter contempt. They have absolutely no credibility. If they pronounced that the sun just rose in the east this morning I wouldn't believe them.
BTW, isn't it interesting how the pali-loving demonrats of a few months ago are now falling over themselves to prolaim support for Israel? They must be getting some interesting polling results these days.
To: tomahawk
Fakhri Turkman, a Palestinian Legislative Council member and the head of an emergency committee set up to help camp residents, criticized Human Rights Watch and other groups who did not use the term "massacre" to describe the Israeli operation. "Sometimes we call it a massacre when you kill one innocent person," he told The Associated Press on Thursday.
Finally the truth comes out - 1 Palestinian killed is a massacre, one innocent Jew killed by a homicide bomber is a reason to celebrate.
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posted on
05/03/2002 11:40:29 AM PDT
by
Brytani
To: tomahawk
I've got Mr. Milosevic on line 3 ... he wants to know if you can rustle up some sympathy for his war crimes since news of his genocide was so greatly exaggerated in advance of Clinton's "moral war".
He seems to think Serbia's actions should have fallen under the same veil of "internal civil conflict into which we cannot possibly intervene" which covers nations like Rwanda and Israel (for wholly different reasons, of course).
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posted on
05/03/2002 11:43:00 AM PDT
by
Askel5
To: Brytani
Finally the truth comes out - 1 Palestinian killed is a massacre Perhaps he was taking a page from Israel and the United States and looking at the human life "in proportion".
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posted on
05/03/2002 11:46:13 AM PDT
by
Askel5
To: Brytani
Finally the truth comes out -1 Palestinian killed is a massacre, one innocent Jew killed by a homicide bomber is a reason to celebrate.
May I nominate this for quote of the day?
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posted on
05/03/2002 11:59:26 AM PDT
by
SKempis
To: Askel5
Are you serious?
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posted on
05/03/2002 12:01:05 PM PDT
by
SKempis
To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Here's a thread about the 'Keystone Kops Funeral':
Funeral.
I'd love to see that film with the bereaved, grieving Palis in the funeral procession, then them running away alongside the "dear departed".
BTW, isn't it interesting how the pali-loving demonrats of a few months ago are now falling over themselves to prolaim support for Israel? They must be getting some interesting polling results these days.
Yes, and one of the big 'ifs' of our times will be "what if Al Gore had won the election?" That must give at least some Democrats pause.
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posted on
05/03/2002 12:09:42 PM PDT
by
xJones
To: SKempis
He hung up ... got tired of waiting.
Handling his own defense, you know. The US's attempts to broker deals with war criminals to help del Ponte coast to a World Court Cup Victory has got him hopping.
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posted on
05/03/2002 12:19:19 PM PDT
by
Askel5
To: xJones
(@#%!!&), that is, the funeral link should be:
here
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posted on
05/03/2002 12:21:21 PM PDT
by
xJones
To: tomahawk
bump
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posted on
05/03/2002 12:24:03 PM PDT
by
VOA
To: SKempis
Sorry ... thought for sure you must be talking about Milosevic.
Looking at lives "in proportion"? Absolutely.
How have you missed that bit of salesmanship by which it's driven home to Americans the "real toll" of suicide bombings in Israel as if the horror that is indiscriminately terrorizing and taking of innocent, civilian human lives weren't sufficiently appalling on its face?
I believe one Israeli life counts for somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple thousand American lives. If I'm not mistaken, there was an article on the phenomenon recently.
It's a trial-attorney sort of world, I'm afraid.
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posted on
05/03/2002 12:36:12 PM PDT
by
Askel5
To: xJones
Thanks for the link.
Yes, and one of the big 'ifs' of our times will be "what if Al Gore had won the election?" That must give at least some Democrats pause.
Too horrible to contemplate...
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