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Gun Control Misfires in Europe
WSJ.COM Opinion Journal ^ | 5/4/02 | John Lott

Posted on 05/04/2002 5:06:27 AM PDT by TC Rider

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Sixteen people were killed during last week's school shooting in Germany. This follows the killing of 14 regional legislators in Zug, a Swiss canton, last September, and the massacre of eight city council members in a Paris suburb last month. The three worst public shootings in the Western world during the past year all occurred in Europe, whose gun laws are exactly what gun-control advocates want the U.S. to adopt. Indeed, all three occurred in gun-free "safe zones."


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europe; guncontrol
Gotta love John Lott. He brings clarity to all but the self-deluded.
1 posted on 05/04/2002 5:06:27 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: TC Rider
Hate to post and run, but I'm going the Dixie Gun and Knife Classic at the State Fair grounds in Raleigh this morning. Theres a little lightweight 38 snubbie calling to me.

Don't be jealous my Glock, the snubbie is for my pocket, you're still my number one handgun.

2 posted on 05/04/2002 5:12:20 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: TC Rider
Hate to post and run, but I'm going the Dixie Gun and Knife Classic at the State Fair grounds in Raleigh this morning. Theres a little lightweight 38 snubbie calling to me.

Hope you enjoy the gun show.

Even the lightweight revolvers aren't all that great as pocket guns - too thick. If carried, most end up in an uncomfortable inside pants holster.

Recommend looking at the Kel-Tec P-32. It's very lightweight, flat, small, accurate and very reliable. Much more likely to be carried due to low weight & small size. The small gun you actually have with you is worth way more than the bigger one left at home IMHO.

3 posted on 05/04/2002 5:30:02 AM PDT by toddst
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To: TC Rider
John Lott excels in making more sense while Liberals wring their hands in bewilderment.
4 posted on 05/04/2002 8:59:11 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: TC Rider
Are people going to be saying about you; "he was a quiet type, stuck to himself and didn't bother anyone"? Has anyone mentioned that you talk to your pieces?;^)
5 posted on 05/04/2002 9:01:25 AM PDT by Kermit
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Has anyone mentioned that you talk to your pieces?;^)

Ut oh, I do too. Must be a character flaw.

5.56mm

7 posted on 05/04/2002 9:13:30 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: TC Rider
despite the ban, "the underground supply of guns does not seem to have dried up at all."

Only a moron would think that one could erradicate a 700 year old technology with mere laws. There seem to be lots of ignorant morons around.

8 posted on 05/04/2002 9:41:22 AM PDT by lepton
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To: Mortin Sult
This is one of those very odd statistics. The trouble with these globally covered shootings is that by any measure they are freakish events. Building laws based on them is like requiring every house in the Midwest to be able to withstand an F5 tornado with no damage. Quoting the statistics like this is essentially just as meaningful.

Point is well taken, but Lott has also done peer-reviewed studies which show that public mass-shootings are rarer where the populace has free access to carried weapons. It seems that even the nuts would prefer to go down in a "blaze of glory" rather than just get popped right off the bat - uselessly and in obscurity.

9 posted on 05/04/2002 9:44:53 AM PDT by lepton
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To: Mortin Sult
I'll look for some more links, but here is an article Lott wrote that refers to it.

Here's an abstract and acrobat file of a related study.

10 posted on 05/04/2002 10:02:14 AM PDT by lepton
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To: TC Rider
Everything has misfired in Europe!

Listen to the BBC news nightly - and you will know that, in a region not bordering the Third World, illegal aliens are rampant and political will to confront them is absent among the "establishment." You will also know that Britain's National Health Service - the origin of socialized medicine - is in collapse, having chronic nurse shortages and even having to send patients abroad for surgery. You will know that non-gun extreme crime is rampant in France - where it's not unusual to lose five cars in five years to theft or torching by immigrant youth. You will also know that torching of transit buses by immigrant youth is rampant in France.

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11 posted on 05/04/2002 11:54:17 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: toddst
Recommend looking at the Kel-Tec P-32.

Thanks for the suggestion, I've shot my buddies Kel-Tec a few times and found his to have a very long trigger pull and not utterly reliable. I'd still like to have one someday for when I need to conceal in a Speedo.

I ended up buying a Taurus Police Model 85 Lightweight Titanium in .38 Special with a concealed hammer. It weighs about 13.7 oz unloaded and lays in my pocket very comfortably. I'm a big guy and this was a good fit for when it was not quite feasible to conceal my Glock.

I got a box of Federals +P 158 Gr Nyclad hollow points over lead wadcutter to go with it. I picked up a Wild Bills horsehide pocket holster and a nylon holster with strap.

BTW, I had rented the Taurus and few similar revolvers on Friday and had a great overall impression. I did not have an issue with the recoil on any of them. The Taurus does come ported. All in all, a good day.


25 posted on 05/05/2002 8:17:24 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Kermit
Are people going to be saying about you; "he was a quiet type, stuck to himself and didn't bother anyone"? Has anyone mentioned that you talk to your pieces?;^)

No, but I did happen to notice that after shopping on Saturday I now have more than a thousand rounds of ammo at home. Uh Oh!

26 posted on 05/05/2002 8:19:00 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Mortin Sult
Every single anti-gun group has gone over Lott's numbers and they can't find a thing to say about them. The records stand on merit. In the weeks that followed the Florida CCW law, the rape rate went to nothing. Overnight. CCW laws work and they work in 33 states. The CCW holders even have a better record than the police.
27 posted on 05/05/2002 8:33:10 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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1987
29 posted on 05/05/2002 9:13:05 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: TC Rider
"... I did happen to notice that after shopping on Saturday I now have more than a thousand rounds of ammo at home."

This is looking worser and worser. Do you ever wake up in a strange place and not know how you got there? Do you have memory blackouts, periods of time, that you don't know where you were? If yes, I'm suspecting multi-personality syndrome.;^)

31 posted on 05/05/2002 9:24:25 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: TC Rider
bttt
32 posted on 05/05/2002 9:25:44 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Kermit
This is looking worser and worser. Do you ever wake up in a strange place and not know how you got there? Do you have memory blackouts, periods of time, that you don't know where you were? If yes, I'm suspecting multi-personality syndrome.;^)

My dogs tell me I have nothing to worry about, so long as I continue to follow their instructions.

Mrs. TC is questioning all of the charges at livertreat.com though.

34 posted on 05/06/2002 6:45:50 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: lepton
Only a moron would think that one could erradicate a 700 year old technology with mere laws. There seem to be lots of ignorant morons around.

Excellant point. Even if they collected every gun and then closed every machine shop in the country, I could build a new 40mm potatoe launcher in about 45 minutes. Cold steel would take a bit longer.

Unless they can erase all memory of guns across the population they could never eradicate them.

35 posted on 05/06/2002 6:49:53 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Mortin Sult
Tourists were being targeted by car-jackers in Florida. Apparently the car-jackers had enough sense not to bother the residents that lived there because they might be armed. After a highly publicized car-jacking involving a German couple, the rental agencies removed the rental stickers from the vehicles.
36 posted on 05/06/2002 7:23:03 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: TC Rider
WHOA Nellie! I don't have enough hair as it is you have you cause me to pull out more. It's become worstest of all, now. Taking instruction from your dogs? I hope they're the friendly kind of dog.;^)
37 posted on 05/06/2002 9:03:14 AM PDT by Kermit
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