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German Gun Control and the Illinois FOID
Keep and Bear Arms ^ | April 29, 2002 | Raymond Benwood

Posted on 05/04/2002 7:49:58 PM PDT by Mini-14

German Gun Control and the Illinois FOID

by Raymond Benwood

April 29, 2002

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.” --Cesare Beccaria, quoted by Thomas Jefferson

In 1968 a new gun control act was passed in response to race riots in some of our major cities. From this Act a whole new generation of gun control laws were created in the states. In 1992 Jews for Preservation of Firearm Ownership Inc, published Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny, which contains the actual text of pre Nazi, and Nazi gun control laws. In Gateway to Tyranny, JPFO shows the stark comparison between the 1938 Nazi law and our 1968 Gun Control Act. In fact evidence exists in the library of congress, that the late Senator Thomas J Dodd, who was the chief framer of the '68 Act, owned a text of the Nazi weapons law. Gateway to Tyranny exposes the usage of terms and phrases in Nazi law, and how they were deliberately applied to our '68 Gun Act. Its obvious that the late Senator Dodd, who was a lawyer at Nuremberg, must have liked what he saw in the Nazi gun laws, since he used them as a guide when he wrote our '68 Gun Act.

With passage of the '68 Act another door opened under the color of law, this time in the state of Illinois. Since white liberal racism energized the '68 Act, seeing it as a tool to further their socialist agenda, Mayor Daley Sr. of Chicago used his influence to bring about a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card in Illinois as a response to race riot concerns in Chicago. The FOID card was believed to be a powerful tool, to keep guns out of the hands of certain groups in the state deemed dangerous to Daley. Gateway to Tyranny shows that the Nazis both created and used gun control laws that were legally passed. One such terrible law was the Waffen Oder Munitionserwerbscheins (German for "License to obtain a weapon or ammunition"), a firearms Owners Identification permit (FOID). The Illinois FOID card, like the German permit, was designed to force gun owners to comply with the new law, by requiring the use of the permit (FOID) for the legal purchase of ammunition. 

The stark comparisons between the Illinois FOID and the laws created and used by the Nazis are not just a matter of terms and phrases, but are synonymous in their intent. In Germany “the district police administrated the application process.” In Illinois, “the state police administrates the application process.”

In Germany, “a record keeping system was required for the transfer of handguns with the requirement that the records be kept for a period of 10 yrs and must include a description of the firearm.”

In Illinois, “any person within this state who transfers or causes to be transferred any firearm shall keep a record of such transfer for a period of 10 yrs and must include a description, serial number, or other information identifying the firearm and must include the transferee FOID number.”

In Germany, “a valid permit was required for transfer of a firearm, commercial or private.”

In Illinois, “a valid FOID is required for transfer of a firearm, commercial or private.”

In Germany, “all records were subject to police inspection on demand.”

In Illinois, “on demand of a peace officer such transferor shall produce for inspection such record of transfer.”

In Germany, “the police maintained a list of the identities and personal information of all licensees.”

In Illinois, “the state police maintain a record of all FOID cardholders.”

In Germany, “license denial could be made by race, inimical behavior or those deemed unreliable.”

In Illinois, “Chicago requires registration of all firearms and acceptance is near impossible and reports of FOID denial for bad attitudes have been reported else where in the state.”

In Germany, “certain permits were valid for up to 3 yrs.”

In Illinois, “the FOID card is valid for a period of 5yrs.”

In Germany, “a prohibition for the transfer of a firearm and ammunition to adolescents existed”. 

In Illinois, “a prohibition for the transfer of a firearm and ammunition to adolescents exists.”

There are requirements for the transportation of a firearm. In Germany, “a certain type of permit was required.”  In Illinois, “a valid FOID is required, and the firearm must be unloaded and properly cased.”

In Germany, “good Nazis could legally conceal carry, if they were issued the proper permit.”

In Illinois, “no conceal carry law exists.”

It should be obvious by now, as it was in Gateway to Tyranny, comparing the German gun laws to our '68 gun act, that the framer of the Illinois FOID Act had knowledge of German gun control laws, used by the Nazis and annotated those ideas into the Illinois FOID Act. There has been a misconception in Illinois and around the Nation, that a statute passed by Legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The constitution is the supreme law of the land; for any statue to be valid, it must be in agreement. Marbury vs. Madison, 5 (2 cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803) states “All laws which are repugnant to the constitution are null and void.” Many laws have been passed, but that does not make them lawful. Laws like the Illinois FOID card violate original intent of the 2nd Amendment of a general prohibition against state and federal legislation that infringes the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

The potential abuse of laws like the Illinois FOID are apparent, and should be repealed immediately. Illinois, under the color of law, has the potential of being the first state in the Union to impose a complete gun ban, with door to door confiscation, an act of Treason!

Today we live in a nation where the wearing of a swastika or a confederate battle flag patch or the questioning of the Holocaust, brings about a violent reaction in some people.

So why are so many people willing to accept the same types of laws that were the foundation of Genocide? Why do the big pro gun groups not fight against such laws that are so obviously unconstitutional and morally wrong? Our rights are self-evident and must be defended, if we are to remain FREE! 

Raymond Benwood
Free Illinois

Permission to reprint-republish granted

Reference Material:

1) “Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny” by Jay Simkin and Aaron Zelman, available at www.jpfo.org, Hartford, WI. (262)-673-9745 

2) “Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews” by Stephen Halbrook Ph.D. Attorney, available at www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.html 

3) Firearm Owners Identification Act for the state of Illinois

4) Senate doc. 2807 Feb 1982 on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, available at www.barefootsworld.net/senate82.html



TOPICS: Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; daley; firearms; foid; guncontrol; guns; illinois

1 posted on 05/04/2002 7:49:58 PM PDT by Mini-14
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To: ChareltonHest
Very informative and a propos to our current situation. Whenever I see another attempt at gun control, I think of the American Bund and their mind-set. Anyone know if there's been a reestablishment of the Bund in these interesting Times?
3 posted on 05/04/2002 8:35:56 PM PDT by JusticeLives
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To: JusticeLives
The mindset of authoritarian types is quite simular everywhere.
4 posted on 05/04/2002 8:43:34 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Mini-14
Achtung...your papers please?...
6 posted on 05/04/2002 9:20:07 PM PDT by arly
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To: Mini-14
Great post!
7 posted on 05/05/2002 3:53:40 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: marktwain
"The mindset of authoritarian types is quite simular everywhere."

Agree. Do you know if a Bund exists in the USA today?

JL

8 posted on 05/17/2002 10:09:54 AM PDT by JusticeLives
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To: JusticeLives
BTW, I'm shocked, shocked at the lack of replies to this post. Can I assume the majority here are in *favor* of gun control?
9 posted on 05/17/2002 10:15:05 AM PDT by JusticeLives
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To: Mini-14
Everyday Americans who whine because I have a rightful ability to protect my consciousness with a gun from attackers, need to start to think real hard about what they are asking me: to do something illegal, and even if legal, they have no right to demand such things. In the old times, these people would be decked. Nowadays, they are taxpayers the government protects. It's getting sickening the way people are bedding with the government, especially criminals and social misfits who cannot bear the sight of guns and rights of the people. Ultimately, there is a bad end in this kind of track: Nazies are just one example.
10 posted on 05/17/2002 10:15:45 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: JusticeLives
I've posted repeatedly on this forum about the blatant unconstitutionality of Illinois's FOID system. It is de facto registration; the name, address and photograph of every FOID holder is filed away in Illinois State Police headquarters, ripe for incremental exploitation in a few odd years (after most of the World War Two and Korea vets have gone to their long sleep and are no longer a threat to the statists). Speaking of the Land of Lincoln's finest; Illinois's state troopers (the same guys with the names of all the gun owners) are once again up to their old "safety checkpoint" tricks, wherein every motor vehicle passing through heavily traveled intersections is stopped and the driver interrogated. Hundreds and hundreds of honest folk detained and harassed for no cause - and nary a peep from the sheep who're getting sheared (and paying for the privilege in the process). This one's for the children, too. So I guess no one should complain.
11 posted on 05/17/2002 10:30:21 AM PDT by Basil Duke
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To: Mini-14
In Germany, “good Nazis could legally conceal carry, if they were issued the proper permit.”

In Illinois, “no conceal carry law exists.”

Illinois: one of the few places that make NAZI German look more attractive.

12 posted on 05/17/2002 10:34:57 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Mini-14
"So why are so many people willing to accept the same types of laws that were the foundation of Genocide? Why do the big pro gun groups not fight against such laws that are so obviously unconstitutional and morally wrong?"

I think part of the problem is that these laws are not announced over some megaphone to alert citizens of another state and I can only imagine public debate is discouraged and tamped down. It's only been lately, and solely because of the Internet, that I came to know about the gun laws in Michigan. So I think it's a matter of just not knowing about what's going on in other states. As you know, this kind of information is not broadcasted over our friendly airwaves or by TV.

Besides calling our state reps, any suggestions for disseminating info?

13 posted on 05/17/2002 11:18:19 AM PDT by JusticeLives
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To: JusticeLives
Keep doing what you are doing. Join with others locally and look for opportunities for activism. It can be very rewarding. Hold a monthly meeting with other freedom types and discuss some interesting issue. Raffle off a firearm to raise some money for fighting the good fight. There are many others like you out there. It is important to support one another, and to stand up and be counted. It is also a lot of fun, and you get to meet and associate with some great people!
14 posted on 05/17/2002 5:43:41 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Basil Duke
It is de facto registration; the name, address and photograph of every FOID holder is filed away in Illinois State Police headquarters, ripe for incremental exploitation in a few odd years (after most of the World War Two and Korea vets have gone to their long sleep and are no longer a threat to the statists).

The FOID is not so much of a problem as the "instant-check" and firearm sales (4473) records. For a gun registry to be useful, there must be a means of distinguishing gun owners from former gun owners. If the government has a list of all firearms that people have acquired, most people will be able to account for all the firearms linked to them. The number of people who cannot account for all their firearms would be small enough that searching all their homes would be practical.

If, on the other hand, the government merely had a list of gun owners, it would be unable to determine who turned in all their weapons and who kept behind the "good stuff".

15 posted on 05/01/2007 9:15:02 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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