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DID THE ISRAELIS DO IT?
Yahoo ^ | May 4, 2002 | William F. Buckley

Posted on 05/05/2002 4:11:32 PM PDT by MaxwellWolf

DID THE ISRAELIS DO IT? Sat May 4, 9:02 PM ET By William F. Buckley

As the curtain closes on the question whether, at Jenin, the Israeli army committed war crimes, one guards against a cynicism that, in general, is welcome. Where there is no free press, one tends to ask: What is it that is being hidden?

The United Nations (news - web sites) brought together a special unit to enter Jenin and investigate charges of war-criminal behavior. It has been all but formally disbanded. The reason for it? The Israeli government forbade it license to conduct an investigation on its own terms. The government of General Sharon protested that dissimulation was afoot and that until it was investigated and repaired, no entry into Jenin would be permitted. It is understandable that there should be suspicion.

Some years ago, appearing on television, Lawrence Eagleburger made a startling statement. Mr. Eagleburger had served as under secretary of state, briefly as secretary of state, and before that for a long stretch as ambassador to Yugoslavia.

"The trouble with dealing with the Yugoslavs," he said with extraordinary bluntness for a diplomat, is that "you can never" -- he emphasized the word -- "believe one word they tell you. You can travel from one faction to another bearing proposals, compromises, bribes, intimidations -- and they end up serving you no purpose."

In the current issue of National Review we hear from David Pryce-Jones, the eloquent and highly informed journalist who in 1973 wrote "The Face of Defeat," a book about the Palestinians.

He took the reader back to the Six Day War of 1967. It was then that a representative of the Council for Anglo-Arab Understanding, a pro-Arab lobby, protested that the Israeli army had massacred 200 Arabs in Gaza. The plaintiff was Mr. Michael Adams.

Pryce-Jones, doing journalistic and historical duty, was alarmed at the charge, Gaza being his beat. "So I investigated. The story had begun with Gazans themselves. For days on end, they escorted me helpfully through the crowded streets of Gaza City from one house to another in search of families with a missing relative. There was always one more address to be visited, and one more rumor to be explored, but we found neither victims nor burial place for the simple reason that none existed. The story was untrue."

Pryce-Jones' inquiry went beyond the streets of Gaza City. He found what he thinks now is a clue to understanding in these times. He found this in an unlikely book, the 19th-century memoirs of Isabel Burton, wife of the famous explorer and linguist Richard Burton. There was this sentence in her text: "Out of the very stones they will fabricate such a tower of falsehoods that you can only stand and gape in wonder and admiration at their fruitful invention."

The stereotype of the Arab as a born liar had been acknowledged, when Mrs. Burton wrote, by experienced English observers including Sir Henry Layard, the excavator of Nineveh, Field Marshall Kitchener and Lawrence of Arabia. We learn from Pryce-Jones that Mrs. Burton was exceptional in having the human sympathy to perceive "that the lying was a sign not of innate bad character but of creative self-defense in circumstances of relative weakness."

If correctly guided by such reasoning, "Palestinians know in some reserved part of themselves that the Israelis are normal human beings and only doing what they themselves would do if the situation of the two people were reversed." But to admit any such thing is to surrender a weapon, one which seems to be working on luminaries of the international community, including Kofi Annan (news - web sites), Christopher Patten, and U.N. Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen, a Norwegian -- and Michael Adams. They see what was done in Jenin as "totally unacceptable and horrific beyond belief."

Twice in my 40 years of journalism I have been mistaken in doubting that atrocities were at the level claimed by critics of the regimes. I found myself unwilling to grant the alleged atrocities of the Greek generals and, a few years later, those of the Argentine military troika. I swore then not to express doubt where there was no independent press around for corroboration.

This time, even without that corroboration, I express doubt that the Jenin "massacre," at the dimension being charged, actually took place.


TOPICS: Announcements; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; jenin; palestine
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Good insight into Arab psyche.
1 posted on 05/05/2002 4:11:32 PM PDT by MaxwellWolf
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To: MaxwellWolf
Good insight, yes, though one wonders where Buckley has been. Even Hamas, the terrorist organization that partly ruled the "camp", now says there were only 56 Palis killed in Jenin.
2 posted on 05/05/2002 4:31:17 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: MaxwellWolf
lying was a sign not of innate bad character but of creative self-defense

Poor, poor Pallies, they have only sticks and stones and lies to defend themselves.

3 posted on 05/05/2002 4:36:02 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: MaxwellWolf,monkeyshine, ipaq2000, Lent, veronica, Sabramerican, beowolf, Nachum, BenF, angelo, b
PINGING!!!
4 posted on 05/05/2002 4:40:12 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: MaxwellWolf
I don't know about making this blanket statement about Arabs, but I've often heard that the Koran OKs lying to non-Muslims. Does anyone have a quote?

Oh, a bit of levity for this serious thread ;)

5 posted on 05/05/2002 4:52:40 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
Taqiyya
6 posted on 05/05/2002 5:10:22 PM PDT by agrace
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To: dennisw
This time, even without that corroboration, I express doubt that the Jenin "massacre," at the dimension being charged, actually took place.

It is a lie ,the Muslim PR company thinks whinning wins points..Most Americans hate lying...and this light will come to day and backfire on them big time IMHO


7 posted on 05/05/2002 5:11:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: MaxwellWolf
"Out of the very stones they will fabricate such a tower of falsehoods
that you can only stand and gape in wonder and admiration repugnance
at their fruitful invention diabolical gall."

8 posted on 05/05/2002 5:21:22 PM PDT by SKempis
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To: MaxwellWolf
Where there is no free press, one tends to ask: What is it that is being hidden?

This amateurish psychoanalysis is maybe OK for home use, but what "free press" does the guy have in mind? The NY Times' radical libs or The Independent's anti-Semite bullshitters?

There are scores of hysterical Left-wingers in the lamestream media ready to get themselves killed or maimed at a battlefield knowing that it would cause a huge anti-Israeli outcry. These wannabe martyrs are in urgent need of a shrink's services, and to give them access to Jenin during the ongoing fight would be stupid to extreme.

9 posted on 05/05/2002 6:09:17 PM PDT by Neophyte
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To: Neophyte
As much as I respect WFB, he has written some stuff lately that could have been written by the editorialists at the New York Times.

In it he says "My vote is that General Sharon's offensive is the stupidest campaign in recent memory. Defined here as a campaign that has: solved nothing, increased Israel's problems, intensified Palestinian hatred of Israel, estranged many Europeans and Americans, and fanned Islamic hostility. What is General Sharon up to?"

I don't think life at Yale educated him on the military reality of rooting out an entrenched terrorist army from an area like Jenin. The posted article almost sounds like some sort of mea culpa from ol' Bill.

10 posted on 05/05/2002 7:17:08 PM PDT by CrossCheck
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intensified Palestinian hatred of Israel, estranged many Europeans and Americans, and fanned Islamic hostility.

That's the core of his concerns.

And I say, screw those estranged by the Israeli defensive operation. Screw Palis and Islamists.

And screw ol'Bill if he doesn't understand that, whatever amount of appeasement, it wouldn't change above mentioned hatred and hostility.

Proper Arab ass-kicking every several years is the only way for Israel to survive. Of course it doesn't resolve the problems forever, but the same is correct for the entire mankind history.

11 posted on 05/05/2002 7:25:55 PM PDT by Neophyte
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To: MaxwellWolf
Fantastic !
12 posted on 05/05/2002 7:31:19 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: CrossCheck
If you are going to damn a person with his own words then do it in the context in which he used them. From the same article

General Sharon might have sent in a platoon, pulled out Arafat and his 100 lieutenants and executed them on the entirely reasonable grounds that they embodied the terrorist movement in the West Bank. A bullet into the heart of Arafat is not a wayward contribution to the search for the infrastructure of the evil and genocidal war against Israel. So Palestine would be left leaderless? Such a problem would be that of the Palestinians who have tolerated Arafat for so many years.

13 posted on 05/05/2002 7:43:16 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: MaxwellWolf
In the one week prior to the Israeli incursion into the West bank, there were about 45 Israeli deaths from suicide bombings. These have been stopped for the past three weeks. On that basis alone, Sharon did what he had to do to protect the county's citizens.
14 posted on 05/05/2002 7:47:07 PM PDT by NCDoc
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To: Texasforever
Agreed, WFB is correct in saying that placing a bullet in Yassir's heart would not be a bad thing. However, doing same would still have the effect of "intensified Palestinian hatred of Israel, estranged many Europeans and Americans, and fanned Islamic hostility" etc. Also, merely eliminating Yassir still leaves the terrorist infrastructure and bomb making apparatus in place, with plenty of aspiring "leaders" willing to take his place.

I would have preferred the elimination of Arafat as well as the course Sharon followed. Let's just say that WFB was half right.

15 posted on 05/05/2002 8:04:03 PM PDT by CrossCheck
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Also, merely eliminating Yassir still leaves the terrorist infrastructure and bomb making apparatus in place, with plenty of aspiring "leaders" willing to take his place.

After the year of internal fighting to take Arafat's place. You don't kill a snake by destroying its den, you destroy a snake by killing it. Israel has known the exact whereabouts of Arafat and his entire command structure for 30 years and have let it survive. That is no ones fault but every Israeli government since Golda Mier.

16 posted on 05/05/2002 8:10:39 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: dennisw
If correctly guided by such reasoning, "Palestinians know in some reserved part of themselves that the Israelis are normal human beings and only doing what they themselves would do if the situation of the two people were reversed." But to admit any such thing is to surrender a weapon, one which seems to be working on luminaries of the international community, including Kofi Annan (news - web sites), Christopher Patten, and U.N. Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen, a Norwegian -- and Michael Adams. They see what was done in Jenin as "totally unacceptable and horrific beyond belief."

Indeed.

17 posted on 05/05/2002 8:11:23 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MaxwellWolf
Gotta love the media take on this. They call a terrorist stronghold a "refugee camp". Nice doublespeak.
18 posted on 05/05/2002 8:18:37 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: MaxwellWolf
Where there is no truthful press the people wonder.
19 posted on 05/05/2002 8:32:22 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: RnMomof7
I caught a bit of FoxNews tonight when they were discussing the faked funeral Palestine put on. Once it was exposed as a fraid, the Palestinian reaction was to say "we were making a movie".

At least as the lies come out, some are good for a bit of humor.

20 posted on 05/05/2002 8:34:30 PM PDT by Brytani
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