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Mom Sues Over Ejection From School Assembly On Homosexuality
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 5/13/02 | Matt Pyeatt

Posted on 05/13/2002 3:10:36 AM PDT by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - A St. Louis, Mo. mom is suing the public high school that blocked her from observing a school-sponsored assembly conducted by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).

Debra Loveless had told school officials she considered the event inappropriate, but was trying to view it herself on Oct. 24, 2001 when she was escorted out of the assembly, according to Loveless' attorneys, who have filed the federal civil rights lawsuit in U.S. District Court in St. Louis. Loveless' daughter attends Metro High School.

GLSEN bills itself as the country's largest network of parents, students and educators aimed at preventing "discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender/identity expression in K-12 schools," according to its website.

GLSEN did not return phone calls to CNSNews.com.

The group conducted two assemblies at Metro High School, Oct. 17 and Oct. 24 of last year, both of which Loveless' daughter was exempted from attending because of the family's religious beliefs, according to the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), the public interest law firm representing Loveless.

However, when, at the urging of a school board member, Loveless attempted to attend the Oct. 24 event, she was ejected by an armed security guard, the ACLJ stated.

Francis J. Manion, senior counsel for the ACLJ, said parents should be able to participate in activities at a public school to see if it is appropriate for their children.

"This case is about protecting the rights of parents to participate fully in the education of their children," he said. "Parents do not abandon their rights as parents once their children go to school. Parents have a right to know what a school is teaching their children, and should not be punished for exercising their parental responsibilities. That's exactly what happened in this case."

The ACLJ lawsuit contends that school officials deprived Loveless of her parental right to be fully informed of the content of her daughter's education. The suit also claims Loveless' constitutional rights of free speech and equal protection was infringed.

Manion believes there were ulterior motives to blocking Loveless from attending the assembly.

"The real reason we believe our client was not permitted to observe the school assembly is because the school did not like her religious objections to the assembly," said Manion. "The only thing our client wanted was an apology and a change in the school policy governing the rights of parents to observe school assemblies.

"After Mrs. Loveless was ejected from the assembly, she had no choice but to file suit - to ensure that no other parent in St. Louis is treated in the same manner," he added.

The lawsuit names as defendants the superintendent of St. Louis Public Schools and the principal of Metro High School.

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attempted to contact Metro High School Principal Dr. Pamela Randall, but she was away from the campus and unavailable for comment. The Metro High School Instructional Coordinator refused comment Friday, saying she was unaware of any lawsuit.

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1 posted on 05/13/2002 3:10:36 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Mrs. Loveless

awwwww Cmon that cant be her real name

2 posted on 05/13/2002 3:12:43 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: kattracks
Why was she wanting to attend assemblies her daughter wasn't?
3 posted on 05/13/2002 3:21:20 AM PDT by JoshGray
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To: kattracks
The cockroaches hate the light ;they can't take the chance of the truth about the filth they are infecting the children with being known.

There is NO GOOD REASON for ANY school lesson or assembly not being open to parental and public scrutiny; both the parents and general public MUST know what is being taight to America's youth.

4 posted on 05/13/2002 3:25:15 AM PDT by hoosierham
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To: kattracks
A St. Louis, Mo. mom is suing the public high school that blocked her from observing a school-sponsored assembly conducted by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).

Gee, wonder what GLSEN could be teaching kids that they would want to conceal behind closed doors?

For all the warm, fuzzy FReepers out there -- who always reply that they "don't care what homos do in the privacy of their own bedroom" -- look. It's out of the bedroom!

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5 posted on 05/13/2002 3:30:01 AM PDT by JCG
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To: kattracks
I know this has been asked several times, but why does a political group (GLSEN) have access to students anyway?
6 posted on 05/13/2002 3:33:28 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: kattracks
Gubberment skool= gubbermet fools.
7 posted on 05/13/2002 3:41:04 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: hoosierham
There is NO GOOD REASON for ANY school lesson or assembly not being open to parental and public scrutiny; both the parents and general public MUST know what is being taight to America's youth.

With the existance of small camcorders and the Net, I'm sure a student who decides to go in "wired" could provide some interesting footage

8 posted on 05/13/2002 3:46:05 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: kattracks
Kattracks - you post the best stuff!
This is an outrageous example of how bold the homo agenda is getting. If what they were doing was truly good "for the children" they would not care if a parent saw it. You can bet is some kid asked them if their lesbian mom could attend they would say yes.
Good for this mom for suing. Hannity should get her on the show, O'Reilly too. Rush, talk about it please.
This is a public school right??? Then taxpayers and parents have every right to know what is going on behind the doors.
9 posted on 05/13/2002 4:20:41 AM PDT by MomwithHope
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To: JCG
"For all the warm, fuzzy FReepers out there -- who always reply that they "don't care what homos do in the privacy of their own bedroom" -- look. It's out of the bedroom!"

We've got some common ground there.

10 posted on 05/13/2002 4:21:24 AM PDT by rdavis84
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To: kattracks
It was only a matter of time before active homosexual proselytization entered the government-run schools. They're full of kids whose sexuality is in a state of flux, powerful but not yet completely formed. It's all of a piece with the attack on the churches and the Boy Scouts, and it points in the same direction.

Yet, this isn't a new development, except as regards direct homosexual activism. Thomas Sowell's marvelous book Inside American Education reports mercilessly on instances of school systems charging teachers not to allow students to take classroom materials or class notebooks home to show to their parents. Usually, those materials were used in "values clarification" courses -- courses in which the school tries to thwart the vertical transmission of values and standards from parents to children.

Often, when parents have gotten hold of the materials from such courses and presentations, the resulting outcry has overturned an entire school board and the whole administrative hierarchy of the school. Scant wonder that those who push these non-academic programs don't want the word to get around.

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11 posted on 05/13/2002 4:31:33 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: JoshGray
Perhaps because she is a taxpayer, and her taxes paid for the public school assembly?
12 posted on 05/13/2002 4:37:38 AM PDT by Tralfaze McWatt
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To: JoshGray
Why was she wanting to attend assemblies her daughter wasn't?

She is a taxpayer isn't she? She has as much of a stake in what the schools are teaching as anyone.

13 posted on 05/13/2002 4:41:25 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Tralfaze McWatt
Perhaps because she is a taxpayer, and her taxes paid for the public school assembly?

Mmmmm... no. Nothing in there about being a taxpayer -- just being the mother of a student...

The ACLJ lawsuit contends that school officials deprived Loveless of her parental right to be fully informed of the content of her daughter's education.

... who's educational content did not include these assemblies.

14 posted on 05/13/2002 4:41:41 AM PDT by JoshGray
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To: kattracks
You have to send your child to our school but you are not allowed to view what it is that we are teaching to her. Time to join the alliance for separation of school and state.
15 posted on 05/13/2002 4:46:45 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: kattracks
My oldest son is thirteen years old. I've now had three 'birds and bees' talks, where I have been quite explicit in explaining sex to him. The talks have included the physical description, how our religion treats sex, venereal diseases, the things he's going to experience as his body changes, etc. etc. He is just barely starting to experience puberty. But now THREE times, I have had to have explicit discussions with him about homosexuality. First, our Boy Scout troop was attacked (verbally) in town and a controversy ensued. He naturally asked detailed questions about that. Second, it turns out that the previous pastor of our other son's Catholic school was a homosexual child rapist (his victims have been on TV quite a bit recently). We had to explain to our children that they had to be careful being around priests in the the church. When our 13-year old asked why, we had to explain what's been going on. (And of course, he already has a good idea, given the priest-jokes going around school.) Then thirdly, his public school has started to talk about homosexuality like its normal and healthful and good. I WANT HIM TO LEARN ABOUT NORMAL SEXUAL RELATIONS BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN FIRST!!! STOP, STOP, STOP FORCING US TO BRING UP HOMOSEXUALITY WITH OUR THIRTEEN YEAR OLD. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
16 posted on 05/13/2002 4:50:10 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JoshGray
Mmmmm... no. Nothing in there about being a taxpayer -- just being the mother of a student...

Mmmmmmm.
Curioser and curioser.

Nothing in the article about the mother being alive either.
But I would risk a wild guess that most non-deviant readers (correctly) assume that the mother is alive.

17 posted on 05/13/2002 4:52:22 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: JoshGray
So, you know for a fact she is not a taxpayer? Even if she doesn't own property, it's a sure bet any sales taxes paid by her or her family contributed to some form of public school expenses. BTW, what is the functional difference between an assembly and a classroom? Don't they both require mandatory attendance by students by default? Do public school assemblies generally let children decide their attendence as optional?
18 posted on 05/13/2002 5:00:11 AM PDT by Tralfaze McWatt
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To: JoshGray
Being a taxpayer does not need to be a label given by the author of this article, it is a fact. She is a Mom AND a taxpayer.. duh...

She may also like to see what the "powers that be" think is an appropiate assembly for the kids to see. Considering they are deciding what the children learn, she may like to know about their judgement, and what is so important to take time away from learning something valuable.

Would you say the same about a parent who wants to visit a daycare where their child attends, however, isn't present on said visitation day? What if a parent was kicked out of that institution? This taxpaying Mom had every right to be there and see first hand what is going on.

BTW don't say if she is a stay at home Mom she doesn't pay any taxes. My husband pays enough for five people so i can stay home.

19 posted on 05/13/2002 5:00:51 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: kattracks
BRAVO MOM!!!

GLSEN bills itself as the country's largest network of parents, students and educators aimed at preventing "discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender/identity expression in K-12 schools," according to its website.

Preventing discrimination is not their goal

THIS IS!.....John Dunphy in The Humanist 1983 said “The battle for man-kinds future must be won in the classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as proselytizers of a new faith that will replace Christianity”

20 posted on 05/13/2002 5:01:11 AM PDT by patriot_wes
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Am I the only one who is thinking she got this one from the porn name generator?
"Debra Loveless" Real my arse...
21 posted on 05/13/2002 5:01:45 AM PDT by Saturnalia
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To: kattracks
My son was invited to one of these "Assemblies". This one was an overnighter where the students would be locked in the school "for their own safety". I refused to sign the permission slip, however, I decided to call the school to ask what the "Assembly" was all about.

I spoke with the person who was organizing the event and she refused to tell me what would be discussed behind closed and locked doors. Once she figured out I wasn't exactly on her side of the issue, she started talking about how students with religious beliefs are the real threat and how the spreading of religion/religious principles resulted in dead homosexuals. They have plenty to hide. They are a hate group every bit as hateful as the KKK, Hamas or the Neo-Nazis and they are targeting our children behind our backs.

22 posted on 05/13/2002 5:03:15 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: kattracks
Welcome to the lovely world of ONE WAY TOLERANCE. Gee, the school didn't like her religious views, but everyone's supposed to be ok with an assembly of deviants?
23 posted on 05/13/2002 5:09:42 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Reaganesque
Locked in the school overnight for an "assembly" promoting homosexuality?

Gee, that certainly sounds safe and appropriate. < /sarcasm>

24 posted on 05/13/2002 5:13:52 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: kattracks
Amazing how a group comprised of 2-3% of the population can make an entire nation bend over backwa... ahhh, never mind.
25 posted on 05/13/2002 5:23:57 AM PDT by banjo joe
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To: yendu bwam
Welcome to FR.
There are those who want to destroy childhood and the relationship between parent and child by any means. History shows that tyrants and totalitarians of all stripes go after the kids to get their most fanatical adherents.
Even in ancient Athens, in Aristophanes play "The Clouds" a young character says "How sweet it is to become acquainted with new clever ways, and be able to look down with disdain on the established laws."
More recently, The Hitler Youth, the Young Pioneers, the allegorical "Spies" of 1984, and our own crop of "anti-globalists and jihadis" raised up in liberal households.
Its not only about getting the homosexual agenda normalized.
26 posted on 05/13/2002 5:27:29 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JoshGray
Because she paid for the assembly.
27 posted on 05/13/2002 5:30:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: kattracks
Why should she worry?

Look what the Homosexuals have done for the Catholic Church which has survived for 2000 years,'Til the Homosexuals took over.

Any taxpayer who chooses to monitor an assembly in a public school has the right to do so.

Taxpayers pay for the schools.

28 posted on 05/13/2002 5:43:35 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Tijeras_Slim
There are those who want to destroy childhood and the relationship between parent and child by any means. History shows that tyrants and totalitarians of all stripes go after the kids to get their most fanatical adherents.

Thanks for the welcome. And you're right, most revolutionaries go after kids to support them. Palestinian religious leaders look for kids to be their suicide bombers, rebels in West Africa look for kids to be their soldiers, communist revolutionaries in South America went for the kids first (and were often led by older kids from universities). Part of the problem, I think, is that kids are easily swayed by ideology, given their strong (and generally good) want to fix the problems of the world. It is only when they are older and wiser that they realize that most of the problems of the world are complex and multi-faceted and difficult to resolve. I've talked to a number of teenagers who are for promoting any kind of sex a person wants (including with animals). This is part of their compassion. But little do they think of the longer term consequences for those who engage in such deeds, and the longer term consequences for society as a whole. Part of the problem there is that kids are not taught to think much. And finally, very few kids today believe in right and wrong. Their parents do not inclucate that kind of thinking, and the churches have lost them.

29 posted on 05/13/2002 5:47:26 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
very few kids today believe in right and wrong

That pretty much sums it up. Stay safe.

30 posted on 05/13/2002 5:50:59 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JoshGray
Why was she wanting to attend assemblies her daughter wasn't?

Maybe to find out how her tax dollars are being spent?

31 posted on 05/13/2002 5:53:13 AM PDT by ncpastor
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To: Saturnalia
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

Yeah she is real, saw an interview with her on the news other night, very well dressed, african american mom who made several eloquent statements about her beliefs and what she went through to try and get the school to let her attend.
They also talked to the school board member who INVITED her to attend the assembly and she was livid!

32 posted on 05/13/2002 5:55:28 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: kattracks
Oh man, that's disgusting! I mean, really, at at school assembly of all places...oh, its ejection...never mind.
33 posted on 05/13/2002 5:56:30 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: kattracks
I wish sodomites would just stay in the freaking closet.
34 posted on 05/13/2002 5:57:47 AM PDT by gilor
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To: kattracks
Amazing how a group comprised of 2-3% of the population can make an entire nation bend over backwa... ahhh, never mind.
35 posted on 05/13/2002 6:00:25 AM PDT by banjo joe
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To: JoshGray
MAAAAAYBE, she's read a thread or two on FreeRepublic, about the lovely and wholesome g.a.y. assemblies that had been held in Boston, Mass.
36 posted on 05/13/2002 6:02:29 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: Publius6961; Tralfaze McWatt; No More Gore Anymore; AppyPappy
Nope, sorry. She's not complaining because she's a taxpayer -- she's complaining because she's a mother who wants to check out the educational content her daughter receives. Read the article.

I would almost bet that the school restricts visitations for all taxpayers. In fact, I'd even go so far as to bet that most, if not all, public-schools place restrictions on visitations by "taxpayers".

So... try again.

Her daughter was not in the assembly and was suffering no consequences for not attending.

So why did she feel any special right to be there? Were other taxpayers allowed to attend? Were other student-less parents there?

37 posted on 05/13/2002 6:04:25 AM PDT by JoshGray
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To: Publius6961
JoshGray member since April 11th, 2002
 
Says it all. Someone needs to either become a moderator or go back to DU
38 posted on 05/13/2002 6:06:04 AM PDT by Nov3
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To: JoshGray
Other taxpayers should have the opportunity to attend any school function within reason. The question is : If she is parent, why are they keeping her out? What are they hiding?

My guess is that GLSEN was afraid to be exposed.

39 posted on 05/13/2002 6:07:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: JoshGray
She was URGED to attend by a school board member. Call me naive, but I think if a board member asks someone to attend a school event, he/she is very unlikely to think that she is not allowed to attend. Strange...
40 posted on 05/13/2002 6:07:13 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: banjo joe
Amazing how a group comprised of 2-3% of the population can make an entire nation bend over backwa... ahhh, never mind.

They have the power of propaganda from the Biased Left Wing Media! Dan Rather and his ilk have done more harm to decent Americans than any other terrorist organization.

41 posted on 05/13/2002 6:09:23 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: hoosierham
And there is NO reason that schools should be teaching kids how to be a bunch of faggots either. And even if that statement is a little strong, the school has absolutely NO business teaching that homosexuality is acceptable and, God forbid, even normal! Public schools have become nothing more than facilities of indoctrination in political correctness. Referring to the nation's colleges the other night, Michael Savage said that they have gone from institutions of higher learning to institutions of lower living. It seems this has become the case with all public "education."
42 posted on 05/13/2002 6:10:12 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Tijeras_Slim
There are those who want to destroy childhood and the relationship between parent and child by any means.

As two fairly average parents today, we have had to confront the following in the past few years: 1) a homosexual rapist as the previous pastor of our son's Catholic school church, 2) a refusal of our Board of Education to prohibit the introduction of homosexual sex into the curriculum (You know, anal sex and all that.), as well as widespread drug sales in our suburban schools, 3) absolute trash and filth during all hours on our TV, 4) out-of-the-universe extreme pornography being sent to our computers in E-mails, 5) pornography being downloaded (and left around) at our town library, 6) attacks on our Cub Scout pack and Boy Scout troop for not having homosexual scoutmasters, 7) alcohol parties being HOSTED by parents in our neighborhood for the benefit of their kids, 8) oral sex becoming commonplace in our MIDDLE SCHOOL, 9) the Catholic Church homosexual molestation issue in general, 10) a friend whose little girl was molested by a school teacher, 11) a boy who was brutally sodomized and murdered at the carnival in the next town. We feel besieged. We just want our kids to grow up with their innocence intact beyond the age of 7, to be comfortable with our religious convictions (we don't force them on anyone else), and for them to be safe. We are losing on all three counts, despite our sincere effots.

43 posted on 05/13/2002 6:11:07 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JoshGray
Nice attempt at a diversion. She is a taxpayer... nuf said. Because she is a taxpayer and a Mom she has the right to see and hear what her children are being taught.

Perhaps the whole point of this article is to point out that government schools have a policy of closed doors to taxpayers and to parents. READ THE ARTICLE. I am sad that our country has even produced someone like you who does not have a problem with this.

I do not think our founding fathers meant that the strong and brave have to fight for the rights of the sheep.

Perhaps they did, because without people like us to understand the political agenda of the socialists and to fight against it in arena like this, people like you would sell all of your rights to the highest bidder. Then again.. I don't uderstand why you deserve any.

44 posted on 05/13/2002 6:14:57 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: yendu bwam
We just want our kids to grow up with their innocence intact beyond the age of 7, to be comfortable with our religious convictions (we don't force them on anyone else), and for them to be safe. We are losing on all three counts, despite our sincere effots

You win by speaking out! All is not lost. Let people know how you feel.

45 posted on 05/13/2002 6:15:46 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: JoshGray
Why was she wanting to attend assemblies her daughter wasn't?

Maybe she wanted to see if the assembly was appriopriate enough for her daughter to attend? Or maybe she was concerned for other children? Why those homosexual activists can be given access to other children than their own but this woman cannot even observe it?

46 posted on 05/13/2002 6:19:37 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: yendu bwam
Then thirdly, his public school has started to talk about homosexuality like its normal and healthful and good. I WANT HIM TO LEARN ABOUT NORMAL SEXUAL RELATIONS BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN FIRST!!! STOP, STOP, STOP FORCING US TO BRING UP HOMOSEXUALITY WITH OUR THIRTEEN YEAR OLD. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Homosexuals don't reproduce, they recruit. Your 13 year old will make some fine chickenhawk prize for an "activist". The Gaystapo and their ACLU buddies will insist that, 'resistance is futile'. The Left and their minions in the press, won't let up in the battle to recruit your son into the Cult Of The Anus. Its a matter of who gives in first in the battle for your son's rectum and life.

The simple message, "Don't play with your own or other's poop, its dangerous stuff." is somehow beyond the comprehension level of "activists" and advocates in the homosexual community. Copraphagy is rationalized as just a part of their "lifestyle" in the homosexual community.
47 posted on 05/13/2002 6:25:08 AM PDT by pyx
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To: JCG;kattracks;JoshGray;hoosierham;SauronOfMordor;MomwithHope;fporretto;Tralfaze McWatt...
"Gee, wonder what GLSEN could be teaching kids that they would want to conceal behind closed doors?"

Examples of GLSEN endorsed filth here


Homosexual Agenda Bump

48 posted on 05/13/2002 6:25:57 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: kattracks
Tolerance in schools a homosexual ploy, conservatives say
49 posted on 05/13/2002 6:40:51 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: AppyPappy
Other taxpayers should have the opportunity to attend any school function within reason.

I'd agree with that, though I suspect we'll disagree over acceptable "reasons". And, of course, this is also ignoring that her complaint is not about her rights as a taxpayer.

If student attendance was mandatory or if there was any consequences for the student NOT attending, I would agree that she, as a parent, had the reason and right to check out what was being presented.

It was not. She did not give permission for her daughter to attend, and her daughter did not attend. She therefore had no more reason or right to attend than any other person.

Schools should not have to accomodate every John or Jane Doe who walks in off the street with "I'm a taxpayer; show me what I've bought." It's not safe. Public schools can't even protect students from a kindergartener with a pointed-finger gun, and you want them to allow just anyone in on the basis of a tax return?

50 posted on 05/13/2002 6:44:17 AM PDT by JoshGray
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