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Police Seize Rental Truck With Traces of TNT
FoxNews ^ | 05-13-02 | GRRRRR

Posted on 05/13/2002 4:04:25 PM PDT by GRRRRR

Two men in custody, believed to be Israelis (?!) after bomb sniffing dogs detected a Ryder truck with bomb residue in it. Additional tests with other higher tech sniffing devices confirmed the results.

Article HERE

It's Starting....GRRRRRRRollin'


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: nuttery; randsconcerntrolls; terrorism; terrorwar
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1 posted on 05/13/2002 4:04:25 PM PDT by GRRRRR
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To: GRRRRR
Documents read to Fox News indicate that both driver and passenger were Israeli nationals. Investigators say a roadside check of the national database of immigration records indicated that one of the men had not entered the country legally, and the other was in violation of his visa. Both men were taken into custody for immigration violations.
2 posted on 05/13/2002 4:05:31 PM PDT by GRRRRR
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To: GRRRRR
Is a Palestinian "an Israeli National?"
3 posted on 05/13/2002 4:06:14 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: GRRRRR
Strange....I though the spot checks on 80 year old white women would have stopped this by now.
4 posted on 05/13/2002 4:06:25 PM PDT by Mixer
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To: GRRRRR
Going to article now, but I'm sure they'll be Arab Israelis...
5 posted on 05/13/2002 4:06:36 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: GRRRRR
Cool!!! At least up here in Washington they are getting the job done!
6 posted on 05/13/2002 4:06:49 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: Mixer
Go figure huh?
7 posted on 05/13/2002 4:07:24 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: GRRRRR
From the article....

Documents read to Fox News indicate that both driver and passenger were Israeli nationals. Investigators say a roadside check of the national database of immigration records indicated that one of the men had not entered the country legally, and the other was in violation of his visa. Both men were taken into custody for immigration violations.

8 posted on 05/13/2002 4:07:25 PM PDT by Dog
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To: GRRRRR
Is this what we will see if our support for Israel does not improve?
9 posted on 05/13/2002 4:07:28 PM PDT by Mixer
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To: GRRRRR
Israeli's?
10 posted on 05/13/2002 4:09:11 PM PDT by jackliberty
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To: Mixer
Article said Israeli nationals......not that they were Israeli's....

There are a whole lot of Arab Israelis...

11 posted on 05/13/2002 4:09:27 PM PDT by Dog
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To: GRRRRR
Monday, May 13, 2002
By Carl Cameron

Fox News has learned that a Ryder truck was pulled over in Oak Harbor, Washington last Tuesday near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station and found to have traces of TNT on the gear shift and traces of RDX plastic explosive on the steering wheel.

The FBI, INS, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and local police are all investigating.

Shortly after midnight on May 7, federal officials say local police pulled the vehicle over for speeding. Documents read to Fox News indicate that the driver and passenger told local police they were delivering furniture from California but that authorities doubted that story because of the early morning hour.

Documents read to Fox News indicate that both driver and passenger were Israeli nationals. Investigators say a roadside check of the national database of immigration records indicated that one of the men had not entered the country legally, and the other was in violation of his visa. Both men were taken into custody for immigration violations.

At 7:30 that morning local police were notified that the BATF and FBI had tested the truck and found traces of explosives on the steering wheel and gear shift.

Officials say no other charges of been filed against the driver and passenger and an investigation is ongoing.

Authorities say records for the Ryder truck do not indicate any recent rental for the purposes of transporting explosives, which would require special permits.

12 posted on 05/13/2002 4:09:42 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: GRRRRR
Authorities say records for the Ryder truck do not indicate any recent rental for the purposes of transporting explosives, which would require special permits.

Yeah, right.

13 posted on 05/13/2002 4:10:00 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
It has started....
14 posted on 05/13/2002 4:10:57 PM PDT by Dog
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To: jackliberty
Yes, but probably named Acccchhhhhmed and Khalid...
15 posted on 05/13/2002 4:11:16 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: Neanderthal
Very likely yes. Israel is one of the few countries to grant citizenship to Palestinians.

It's a given that any and all Palistinian with Israeli citizenship will be reported by our illoustrious news sources as "Israeli Nationals".

16 posted on 05/13/2002 4:12:06 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: GRRRRR
Fox News has learned that a Ryder truck was pulled over in Oak Harbor, Washington last Tuesday near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station and found to have traces of TNT on the gear shift and traces of RDX plastic explosive on the steering wheel.

Gee, traces of TNT on the gear shift and traces of RDX on the steering wheel.

Sounds kinda weird ;).

17 posted on 05/13/2002 4:12:32 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Dog
Does a citizen of the country of Israel HAVE to be a Jew? So if you are an Arab and were born in Israel, then you are an Israeli...?

Just like if you are a Swede and are born in the USA, then are you still a Swede or an American? Totally Weird Dude!...Is an "Arab-Israeli" like being an "African-American"? Do you get reparations?

GRRRRRRRRollin'

18 posted on 05/13/2002 4:13:20 PM PDT by GRRRRR
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To: Dog
Thanks for the clarification.
19 posted on 05/13/2002 4:13:56 PM PDT by Mixer
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To: Mixer
Let's not jump to conclusions. I got money that says they are either Palestinians or sympathizers.

Israel spys on us, just as we spy on them. But they know full well that they will not get away with a Reichstag fire.

20 posted on 05/13/2002 4:14:14 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: terilyn
I even got all of my spelling right < grin >
21 posted on 05/13/2002 4:14:47 PM PDT by Mixer
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To: Dog
There are a whole lot of Arab Israelis...

Yes. Plenty of them.

22 posted on 05/13/2002 4:14:50 PM PDT by grimalkin
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To: terilyn
LOL! Boy, you're fast! I just got my copy formatted and you've already got yours up!
23 posted on 05/13/2002 4:15:06 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: GRRRRR
see post 16...
24 posted on 05/13/2002 4:15:06 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Lion's Cub
Interesting how this article was so quick to identify them as Israeli nationals. I can rememebr a hundred articles of similar content where the nationality of the suspects was given no mention at all.

Don't expect any retraction when these lowlifes are proven to be Islamists.

25 posted on 05/13/2002 4:16:53 PM PDT by cgk
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To: GRRRRR
BTTT
26 posted on 05/13/2002 4:17:34 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Cachelot
..traces of TNT on the gear shift and traces of RDX on the steering wheel..

That means one of the last x-number of people driving the vehicle had touched TNT/RDX.

I'd be real interested in their trace of the previous 10 renters and their tests on the interior of the cargo compartment.

But mostly, I wanna know what these guys' ethnicity is.

27 posted on 05/13/2002 4:19:39 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Dog
Well that does it...those pesky Palis are going to keep getting "Arab-Israelis" to get citizenship, then they'll start bombing all over the place and the Media will get toadally confusicated because they won't be able to explain how the Israelis are bombing THEMSELVES NOW...and they can say the Palis aren't doing it anymore...Next thing ya know...they'll be calling the Israeli people terrorists....duh!

Pretty SNEAKY of them I'd say, just like in Full Metal Jacket when Pvt. Pyle has to CHOKE HIMSELF...

GRRDroooolin'

28 posted on 05/13/2002 4:20:12 PM PDT by GRRRRR
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To: El Sordo
Let's not jump to conclusions

Especially because the reporter is Carl Cameron.

29 posted on 05/13/2002 4:20:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: GRRRRR
Traces? That would mean that any actual explosives have already been delivered, or are still somewhere waiting to be used.
30 posted on 05/13/2002 4:21:06 PM PDT by abner
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To: Dog
It has started....

What has started? Are you referring to the second wave?

31 posted on 05/13/2002 4:21:16 PM PDT by Snowy
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To: Dog
Sounds to me like somebody has prepositioned some bomb-making materials, no?
32 posted on 05/13/2002 4:21:42 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: El Sordo
It's a given that any and all Palistinian with Israeli citizenship will be reported by our illoustrious news sources as "Israeli Nationals".

Especially by Fox, it appears. Apparently, Whorealdo is just supporting management's view.

33 posted on 05/13/2002 4:23:12 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Snowy
Notice the papers today.......

Nuke plant threats.

25 guys sneaking into the country on ships.

Now this....

34 posted on 05/13/2002 4:23:42 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Shermy
Especially because the reporter is Carl Cameron.

Yeah...you never know if it's part 1 of a 4 part series.
35 posted on 05/13/2002 4:23:49 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: Mixer
I noticed, Good job! ;^)
36 posted on 05/13/2002 4:25:20 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: PLMerite
Shame, Shame, This is definitely a case of ethnic profiling. Turn them loose before the Gestapo decides to prosecute those resoponsible for catching them.
37 posted on 05/13/2002 4:26:02 PM PDT by meenie
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To: GRRRRR
Rogue artists?
38 posted on 05/13/2002 4:26:17 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Dog
Notice the papers today.......

Nuke plant threats.

25 guys sneaking into the country on ships.

Now this....

That's what I was afraid you were referring to. I'm trying to ignore the coincidences without much success. Now would be a good time for someone to tell us to adjust our foil hats.

39 posted on 05/13/2002 4:27:00 PM PDT by Snowy
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To: Lion's Cub
Nah, (but thanks). I heard it on Fox News and went to find it and had it formatted. Then I came back here to FR to post and Grrrr had it posted already so I just added it.
40 posted on 05/13/2002 4:27:21 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: cgk
Don't expect any retraction when these lowlifes are proven to be Islamists.

I don't. They just shot their claim to any journalistic integrity all to hell as far as I'm concerned.

41 posted on 05/13/2002 4:28:10 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: GRRRRR
This was about 10 years ago, and things may have changed since then, but I had a couple of friends in college that were Christian Arabs from Gaza, and I think they may have had Israeli passports. Don't quote me on it or anything, but it may be that Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank travel on Israeli passports. I don't know how that stuff works, or if things have changed since Palestinians now have some sort of autonomy. I don't know if that extends to the issuance of passports or not.

Or these two "truck drivers" could be Jewish Israelis...it might not be the first thought to occur to anybody, but it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

42 posted on 05/13/2002 4:29:25 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: GRRRRR
I know someone who knows someone who works at the Bremerton Shipyards in Puget Sound where the nuclear subs are kept. He told me that a bomb was found under a dock recently. It was the type of bomb that had to be detonated by remote control. Never heard a peep on the news about this.
43 posted on 05/13/2002 4:30:05 PM PDT by Aria
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To: Aria
I know someone who knows someone who works at the Bremerton Shipyards in Puget Sound where the nuclear subs are kept.

Gosh, that's a reliable chain of info.

44 posted on 05/13/2002 4:32:36 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Aria
I know someone who knows someone who works at the Bremerton Shipyards whose aunty by marriage once had a cleaning lady whose dog was run over by a guy who used to eat at a restaurant next door to the store where Ted Nugent has his hunting bows restrung.
45 posted on 05/13/2002 4:32:45 PM PDT by Big Bunyip
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To: terilyn
This is a strange, strange article. I guess I'd have trouble putting together an article myself, with so little information, but really! it's too strange.

Fox News has learned that a Ryder truck was pulled over in Oak Harbor, Washington last Tuesday near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station and found to have traces of TNT on the gear shift and traces of RDX plastic explosive on the steering wheel.

The FBI, INS, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and local police are all investigating.

I would have said "STILL investigating" since it's been going on for seven days, but..

Shortly after midnight on May 7, federal officials say local police pulled the vehicle over for speeding. Documents read to Fox News indicate that the driver and passenger told local police they were delivering furniture from California but that authorities doubted that story because of the early morning hour.

Midnight just doesn't seem to be totally out of the realm of possibility for driving furniture interstate. Especially since it just seems to be two guys with a rental truck, not a regular moving company.

What WOULD make me suspicious is if there were no furniture in the truck, and if they got to the bomb-sniffing dog part, they definitely searched the truck. Was there furniture in there or not?

Documents read to Fox News indicate that both driver and passenger were Israeli nationals. Investigators say a roadside check of the national database of immigration records indicated that one of the men had not entered the country legally, and the other was in violation of his visa. Both men were taken into custody for immigration violations.

Good. I don't care where they're from. Deport them, no exceptions. The deportation process takes sufficiently long in itself that there should be ample time in which to charge them for other things, if applicable.

At 7:30 that morning local police were notified that the BATF and FBI had tested the truck and found traces of explosives on the steering wheel and gear shift. Officials say no other charges of been filed against the driver and passenger and an investigation is ongoing.

Well, frankly, there doesn't seem to be much else to charge them with right now. The truck is not theirs, and there's nothing in here to indicate that they found traces of xplosives anywhere except on the steering wheel and gearshift. Not even on, say, the driver's hands or clothing, and he'd been touching the steering wheeel and the gear shift...

Authorities say records for the Ryder truck do not indicate any recent rental for the purposes of transporting explosives, which would require special permits.

Truly ridiculous. Ramzi Yousef and Tim McVeigh sure didn't fill out their Ryder explosives-transporting permits, did they? Unless there is some method by which the investigators can determine how "fresh" the explosive traces were, they're going to have to look at everybody who's rented that truck in the last year, not just the two who were caught speeding in it.

Ryder has some explaining to do too, I think. I didn't think they rented trucks to just anyone anymore, and without all sorts of ID.

46 posted on 05/13/2002 4:34:14 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Lion's Cub
To be fair, this is Carl Cameron, and I've never seen anything in his work that leads me to believe he has an axe to grind. He's a sharp guy and a consumate pro.

When it comes out that they're Muslims, Carl will report it.

The others won't.

47 posted on 05/13/2002 4:34:19 PM PDT by cgk
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To: Aria
Dont let 'em get to you ....I know people who know people too....No on I know knows anything though
48 posted on 05/13/2002 4:36:00 PM PDT by woofie
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To: GRRRRR
What a load of hooey

Shortly after midnight on May 7

happened over a week ago

near Whidley Naval Station

doesn't fit the pattern, almost impossible to blow up a military base at this time and why with so many juicy civilian targets?

Israeli nationals

ambiguous ID, first 10 post on this list try to clarify that statement

found traces of explosives on the steering wheel and gear shift

but not anywhere else? So the Israeli national handled the explosives,or maybe one of the ten previous renters, seems like testing his clothing would clarify the situation, which is pretty easy SINCE HE IS IN CUSTODY

can you say? Fostering hysteria?

49 posted on 05/13/2002 4:36:40 PM PDT by jaso
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To: John H K
I know it sounds funny. Its my telephone man from Seattle who has a friend who works there. At least this is what he told me.
50 posted on 05/13/2002 4:40:31 PM PDT by Aria
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