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Kindergartener's stripper-mom in church-school flap
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, May 16, 2002

Posted on 05/16/2002 2:29:30 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

A private Christian school and a kindergartener's mother who stripteases for a living are quickly becoming the focus of the latest debate on religious freedom.

Officials of Capital Christian School in Sacramento, Calif., discovered that what they thought had been a private meeting with a mother of a kindergartner who violated her commitment to school policy had become a news story on the local CBS affiliate KOVR.

The story first came to the attention of WorldNetDaily when WND columnist Rebecca Hagelin was invited Wednesday morning to discuss the issue on CNN's popular afternoon talk show "Talk Back Live." The only information circulating at the time was a brief description of a broadcast report filed by KOVR-TV which broke the story late Tuesday evening.

The summary blurb summed up the story this way: "A mother says her daughter is getting expelled from kindergarten because mom is a part-time stripper. This is about a five-year-old girl who attends Capital Christian School in Sacramento. But her mother says when the school found out she was an exotic dancer they told her she had one week to get her daughter out of their school."

Since the school's position was entirely absent from the report, Hagelin contacted the pastor of Capital Christian Church, the sponsoring church of the school. Senior Pastor Rick Cole was clearly disturbed by the events and reluctant to discuss details. Cole did, however, agree to provide certain facts about the case that had not been disclosed by the mother when she contacted the local television station about the situation.

Although Cole did not reveal the identity of the mother or child, WND subsequently learned their identities from KOVR-TV reporter George Franco, but has opted not to disclose the names to protect the child's privacy.

Hagelin reported the other side of the story during her appearance on CNN yesterday.

"By air time Wednesday afternoon, I had secured two interviews with pastor Cole from my car phone," she said. "His greatest concern and reluctance to speak came from his desire to protect the mother and her daughter." Given that only part of the story had become national news, she added, Cole thought it important provide the rest of the story.

Cole explained that recently school officials had become aware that the mother in question works as a part-time strip-teaser dancer at a local club. Since her occupation is in violation of an agreement with and commitment to the school philosophy that parents must sign before the children are admitted to school, school officials, including Cole met the mother.

Not wanting to divulge the personal and confidential details of the conversation with the mother, Cole only briefly outlined the details of the offer officials had made the mother -- which had been left out of previous news stories.

"The school offered to waive the last month's tuition for the student so the young girl could remain in school to the end of the year if the mother would quit her job as a strip-tease dancer. They also offered to support the mother and walk 'hand in hand' with her as she worked through the spiritual issues involved and sought to better her life," said Hagelin. "The pastor believed that the meeting had been well-received by the mother, but the next thing he knew he was getting calls from the local media. I found Pastor Cole to be clearly upset that his efforts to help a woman in a very bad situation were not successful."

As a requirement for admission, parents of prospective students must sign a "commitment" to support the philosophy of the school. That philosophy, in part, reads: "Emphasis is placed on learning about God and the truths of God's Word in relationship to man and his world; recognizing that the way to God comes through personal faith in Jesus Christ; and Christian maturity comes by application of the truths of the Bible in all areas of life." In signing the document, parents agree to maintain a "partnership" with the school "regarding the standards and criteria of a Christian learning structure that involves the entire family."

"Although school officials see the mother's job as a stripper as a clear violation of her signed commitment, automatic termination of the relationship was not an option for them," said Hagelin. "The pastor and school attempted to help the mother better her life, and offered her both financial, spiritual and emotional support."

In Hagelin's interview with the pastor, he described how the role of the school differed somewhat from that of the church. While the church has open arms to all who wish to attend, he discussed how essential parental commitment is to the success of a school of 1,200 students that seeks to provide both high academic and spiritual standards for each and every student, noted Hagelin.

Reporter George Franco of KOVR told Hagelin that the mother has retained legal counsel and is considering filing a motion for an immediate injunction to have the child remain in school while the mother continues to work as a stripper.


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To: xsmommy
Xsmommy, Esq. ; )

So you say.....Where's that Brazillian Law Review article...?????

51 posted on 05/16/2002 5:15:28 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
The mom could stop stripping and solve all the problems.
52 posted on 05/16/2002 5:16:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
not aware for now maybe, but is your gripe that they are doing it with a month left, or that they are kicking her out at all? what if they just said, like hobbes mentioned, we won't have her back next year? would you still object, would that be hypocritical of them to NOT permit her to attend? because my point is, eventually, this kid is going to see a dissonance between what she is being taught in school and what she sees going on at home.

let me say right up front. i don't see stripping as an honorable profession. i don't care that you can make big bucks at it, with a good body and no other employable skills. DOPE DEALERS make a nice living too, doesn't make it right.

54 posted on 05/16/2002 5:17:20 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: AppyPappy
....Except that's how she puts food on the table......hard to replace that income, especially if she is a young, unskilled single mom....
55 posted on 05/16/2002 5:17:37 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: one_particular_harbour
You asked a WWJD question......that is all-encompassing question: What WOULD Jesus do? The right thing....Uphold Christian values....whether it be helping a mom find a job other than taking her clothes off for money, helping someone get off drugs, or abortion.

Jesus would also recognize that the mother is in charge of the child....and he watches us do stupid things every single day. It's that free will thing, again.

Bottom line, put the kid in public school if you don't want an agreement that the school will teach your kids Christian values.

57 posted on 05/16/2002 5:17:59 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: xsmommy
DOPE DEALERS make a nice living too, doesn't make it right.

Illegality doesn't make it wrong.

58 posted on 05/16/2002 5:18:22 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: AppyPappy
Funny, but you don't hear anything about the father here do you. Nor do you hear anything about the men that pay to watch this woman strip.

Nope, all you hear is folks flapping their pie holes from atop their moral high horses.

Whatever happened to "let he who is withouit sin cast the first stone"

Self righteous a$$h01es make me want to puke!

59 posted on 05/16/2002 5:18:49 AM PDT by MJM59
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To: AppyPappy
yes, i see that NONE Of them want to address the fact that the kid would have been permitted to attend tuition free if the mom would agree to stop stripping. MOMMY wouldn't. now whose fault is that? if she was so concerned that the little girls last month of school not be disrupted, couldn't she just LIE and give it til school was out and then go back to it? NO, she has no intentions of quitting and is resentful that she is being required to. she wants her cake and to eat it too, christian school financed by stripping.
60 posted on 05/16/2002 5:19:19 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: hobbes1
hey, she could sell dope!
62 posted on 05/16/2002 5:19:48 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: ZinGirl
Actually, Jesus, would try to reach out to the Girl, not reject her, because of her mother. Jesus did not reject Sinners, so I would have a hard time believing your assertion that he would reject an innocent so that she could keep company only with someone flawed.
63 posted on 05/16/2002 5:20:18 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
There are other jobs. I know a woman who raises her child on a motel housekeeper's pay. It can be done.
64 posted on 05/16/2002 5:20:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: xsmommy
es, i see that NONE Of them want to address the fact that the kid would have been permitted to attend tuition free if the mom would agree to stop stripping.

You are making my no brains point. Free tuition doesn not Feed and Clothe the child does it?

65 posted on 05/16/2002 5:21:04 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: JohnHuang2
Workers in ERs get to meet a lot of strippers. The girls make good money, but are often hookers and have many diseases that are associated with prostitutes. Their dancing life begins in pathology and leads them farther in--most have a vehement distaste for men because they always see them at their worst. Many are college students, and many do a "business" after hours. At the very least, they live in the world of vice, hookers, and pimps and might be bringing some of that into the school's atmosphere and the little girl's home.

Actually, I think that they should have kept the little girl in school, but I understand their problems. They are offering an alternative for parents already beleaguered with shame and worldliness, and should be free to make this decision.

It is quite unfair that the pastor's efforts to help the woman away from this very unpleasant and dangerous world is met with jeers.

66 posted on 05/16/2002 5:21:11 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: one_particular_harbour
Daughter most likely has no clue what mommy does for a living

I bet she does now!

btw, oph, I've been lurking for a long time and I truly enjoy your posts....I have to go put my kids on the public school bus now (how's that for irony!)...I hope we can agree to disagree on this one.

I guess it just hits a soft spot for me....we're happy with our little "Mayberry RFD" Elementary school now...but I see what's coming down the pike for public schools even in my little town. We're hoping to be able to put the kids in a Christian school in the next 2 years.

Have a great day, oph!

70 posted on 05/16/2002 5:25:11 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: hobbes1
i simply cannot believe that there is NO LEGIT job that this woman can get, other than stripping.
71 posted on 05/16/2002 5:25:39 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: one_particular_harbour
"her occupation is in violation of an agreement with and commitment to the school philosophy that parents must sign before the children are admitted to schoo"

Mz. Lil' Egypt made HER choice, and thought she could snooker the school. Her words *weren't* her bond, now, were they?

There's plenty of kinder schools, but she *chose*, of her own free will, this particular one, and agreed to that school's terms. Why are you defending fraudulent behaviour?

73 posted on 05/16/2002 5:27:48 AM PDT by bvw
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To: one_particular_harbour
Mixed message?

Yea the kid has no clue because the mom is a liar and won't tell it the truth!

Like son ( or daughter) I'M A SLUT and a LIAR!

75 posted on 05/16/2002 5:30:04 AM PDT by sausageseller
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To: one_particular_harbour
Stripping is a more honest living than lawyering.

You could substitute any profession for "Stripping" in the above sentence...

78 posted on 05/16/2002 5:31:36 AM PDT by ofMagog
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To: one_particular_harbour
dang, i am going to quit my job and look for work stripping, might help pay all my tuition bills.
79 posted on 05/16/2002 5:32:15 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: one_particular_harbour
When she strips does she have "This is a fine Christian a$$!" tatooed on her buttocks?
80 posted on 05/16/2002 5:32:18 AM PDT by bvw
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To: one_particular_harbour
it was found out during take your daughter to work day....
81 posted on 05/16/2002 5:34:44 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: one_particular_harbour
Your reaching on that ... if you defend HER for parading in front of men while naked in a place full of the trashiest folk (not everybody, but most "dancers" are real basket cases), why then what problem could you possibly have with some church member going there with his work buddies?

Maybe his honest complaint was that she wouldn't trick for him at a price within the current reach of his pocket change.

82 posted on 05/16/2002 5:36:42 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Mortin Sult
Hopefully, she can stop stripping before her child finds out what she does.
83 posted on 05/16/2002 5:37:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
Would Jesus have expelled the child?

He did take some violent action against moneychangers in the Temple, so He was not all sweetness and light as we understand the term. He also said some pointed things about hurting children. There is evidence that He saw hardship in some cases as the will and lesson of God.

You defend homosexuality, which Jesus would not do, considering all the scriptual mandates against it. So, I find your using His name to argue here just a tool to try to win a point in favor of a direction our culture is taking that He definitely wouldn't approve of.

84 posted on 05/16/2002 5:37:40 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: one_particular_harbour
Would Jesus have expelled the child?

No and it seems the school realizes that.

"Although school officials see the mother's job as a stripper as a clear violation of her signed commitment, automatic termination of the relationship was not an option for them," said Hagelin. "The pastor and school attempted to help the mother better her life, and offered her both financial, spiritual and emotional support."

Sorry, I don't see where the school is trying to expel the daughter for any reason. It may lead to that since the situation seems to have escalated by Mom involving the media. She brought more attention to her profession and created a furor. I think Mom is shooting for her 15 minutes.

85 posted on 05/16/2002 5:38:03 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: William Terrell
He did take some violent action against moneychangers in the Temple

Yes, and that description fits the guy running the school...

86 posted on 05/16/2002 5:40:09 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: one_particular_harbour
And just so you know, my thinking is that a good person polishes silver and washes off mud. The school is trying to polish its silver, yet the mom refuses to wash off her mud, and by going public she seeems to want everybody to get muddy with her.

If the school had publicly embarassed her, I'd say she had a complaint -- but wasn't SHE the one to go VERY public here?

A pay raise for her -- free grand publicity brings in the crowds!

87 posted on 05/16/2002 5:44:09 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Wolfie
When the rubber hits the road never call someone who spends all their time pronouncing their own religious superiority.

Cheap enough lesson if the kid remembers it.

89 posted on 05/16/2002 5:50:01 AM PDT by metesky
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To: one_particular_harbour
I'm sure there are legit jobs. Maybe two or three, that she can work at about 15 hours a day to replace the lost stripper income.

Does the school then have the right to exclude ANY occupation they disagree with?

Say Criminal Defense Attorneys ?

90 posted on 05/16/2002 5:50:56 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Mortin Sult
Strippers are not dancers. That's a joke. All you are doing is moving around so men can ogle your bidness. All stripping will lead to is a chance to meet gangsters and reprobates. Plus she will age out after a while. And the benefits are non-existent.

She would be better off teaching in a preschool or flipping burgers.

91 posted on 05/16/2002 5:51:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: xsmommy
WHY does she want a christian education for her child????

Maybe so her child doesn't wind up in the same profession as her mother. Maybe she wants better for her child.

92 posted on 05/16/2002 5:55:00 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: dubyaismypresident
DING DING DING....GMTA! We're right she's wrong!
93 posted on 05/16/2002 5:55:48 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: dubyaismypresident
then she should QUIT her job, send her to the affordable PUBLIC school, get a LEGITIMATE job, that her child can be proud of rather than ashamed and embarrassed, and TEACH HER MORALS at home by her example, word AND deed. What she wants to do now, is PAY someone else to teach her morals with MONEY she earned IMMORALLY.
94 posted on 05/16/2002 5:58:13 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: hobbes1
I did like you idea about not accepting the child back next year, because the mother did break the rules she had agreed to abide by. One month left of kindegarten, they could have waited one month.
95 posted on 05/16/2002 5:59:08 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: AppyPappy
The schools offers of assistance were admirable, and freedom of association is a principle that needs restoring in our society, but the school needs to clarify the "commitment" document.

What do they do with the kids whose parents are LAWYERS?

96 posted on 05/16/2002 5:59:16 AM PDT by muleboy
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To: hobbes1;dubyaismypresident; one_particular_harbour
you three are so wrong it isn't even funny. i am right.
97 posted on 05/16/2002 5:59:32 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: JohnHuang2
At the strip club on 'Take Your Daughter To Work Day'. Child; "Mommy, why are you taking your clothes off in front of all those men"? Mother; "To pay for your christian education honey". Child; "Oh, I want to grow up and be a nice christian striper".
98 posted on 05/16/2002 5:59:55 AM PDT by 429CJ
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To: xsmommy
I imagine it would be very hard for a stripper to get a legit job. After all, if you can't even count on the body of Christ to accept her five year-old child who is completely innocent, how can you count on the secular, judgemental world to accept this woman herself?
99 posted on 05/16/2002 6:01:08 AM PDT by flyervet
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To: dubyaismypresident
i will concede that it could have been handled better with one month left, but i will not give up the school's right to not have to accept this kid because her mother will not abide by the rules.
100 posted on 05/16/2002 6:01:16 AM PDT by xsmommy
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