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Cheney says U.S. faces threat of worse attack
RUETERS | May 17,2002

Posted on 05/16/2002 9:37:10 PM PDT by joyce11111

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1 posted on 05/16/2002 9:37:11 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: joyce11111
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said he was "gravely concerned."

Well, then... just slip into this pine box and everything will be OK.

2 posted on 05/16/2002 9:40:49 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: joyce11111
The liberals are just plain insane. Do they really believe that Bush would ignore a real threat if specific information was obtained about one? All that was known was that arabs were planning on hijacking a plane. Big deal! Those idiots have been planning plan hijackings every day of every week for the past 40 years.

Now, if there had been specific information on a threat an Bush had ignored it then we'd have a problem.

3 posted on 05/16/2002 9:41:10 PM PDT by oldvike
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To: joyce11111
by members who are knowledgeable and are committed to improving our ability to defend the nation, not those who would seek short term political advantage,"

Well, that pretty much leaves Daschle and Gephart out of the loop. Considering their comments on the "Shadow Government" and now this, today, they're obviously not very knowledgeable about what goes on in the Intelligence Committees (or other committees, it appears) and they certainly aren't committed to improving the defense of the nation and as for political advantage - any old port in the storm that their greedy little fingers can grasp.

4 posted on 05/16/2002 9:42:07 PM PDT by Isadora Duncan
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To: oldvike
"Now, if there had been specific information on a threat an Bush had ignored it then we'd have a problem."

"is"

5 posted on 05/16/2002 9:46:06 PM PDT by davidmoore01
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To: Isadora Duncan
Iteresting read: http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/horowitzsnotepad/2002/hn02-18-02.htm

In July 1999, for example, Cohen wrote an op-ed piece in the Washington Post, predicting a terrorist attack on the American mainland. "In the past year, dozens of threats to use chemical or biological weapons in the United States have turned out to be hoaxes. Someday, one will be real." But the warnings did not produce the requisite action by the commander-in-chief. Meanwhile, the nation's media looked the other way. For example, as the president of the Council on Foreign Relations told the New Yorker's Joe Klein, he "watched carefully to see if anyone followed up on [Cohen's speech]. But none of the television networks and none of the elite press even mentioned it. I was astonished."

The following year, "the National Commission on Terrorism—chaired by former Reagan counter-terrorism head Paul Bremer—issued a report with the eerily foreboding image of the Twin Towers on its cover. A bi-partisan effort led by Jon Kyl and Dianne Feinstein—was made to attach the recommendations of the panel to an intelligence authorization bill." But Senator Patrick Leahy, who had distinguished himself in the 1980s by opposing the government's efforts to halt the Communist offensive in Central America "said he feared a threat to 'civil liberties' in a campaign against terrorism and torpedoed the effort. After the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, Kyl and Feinstein tried yet again. This time, Leahy was content with emaciating the proposals instead of defeating them outright. The weakened proposals died as the House realized 'it wasn't worth taking up.'"

After the abortive plot to blow up commercial airliners in the Philippines, Vice President Gore was tasked with improving airline security. A commission was formed, but under his leadership it also "focused on civil liberties" and "profiling," liberal obsessions that diluted any effort to strengthen security measures in the face of a threat in which all of the proven terrorists were Muslims from the Middle East and Asia. The commission concluded that, "no profile [of passengers] should contain or be based on … race, religion, or national origin." According to journalist Kevin Cherry, the FAA also decided in 1999 to seal its passenger screening system from law-enforcement databases thus preventing the FBI from notifying airlines that suspected terrorists were on board."

In 1993, the FBI identified three charities connected to the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas that were being used to finance terrorist activities, sending as much as $20 million a year to America's enemies. According to presidential adviser Dick Morris, "At a White House strategy meeting on April 27, 1995—two weeks after the Oklahoma City bombing—the President was urged to create a 'President's List' of extremist/terrorist groups, their members and donors 'to warn the public against well-intentioned donations which might foster terrorism.' On April 1, 1996, he was again advised to 'prohibit fund-raising by terrorists and identify terrorist organizations.'" Hamas was specifically mentioned.

Inexplicably Clinton ignored these recommendations. Why? FBI agents have stated that they were prevented from opening either criminal or national-security cases because of a fear that it would be seen as 'profiling' Islamic charities. While Clinton was 'politically correct,' Hamas flourished.

In failing to heed the signs that America was at war with a deadly adversary, overcome the ideological obstacles created by the liberal biases of his administration and arouse an uninformed public to concern, it was the commander-in-chief who bore primary responsibility. As one former administration official told reporter Joe Klein "Clinton spent less concentrated attention on national defense than any another President in recent memory." Clinton's political advisor Dick Morris flatly charged, "Clinton's failure to mobilize America to confront foreign terror after the 1993 attack [on the World Trade Center] led directly to the 9/11 disaster." According to Morris "Clinton was removed, uninvolved, and distant where the war on terror was concerned."

By Clinton's own account, Monica Lewinsky was able to visit him privately more than a dozen times in the Oval Office. But according to a USA Today investigative report, the head of the CIA could not get a single private meeting with the President, despite the Trade Center bombing of February 26, 1993 or the killing of 18 American soldiers in Mogadishu on October 3 of the same year. "James Woolsey, Clinton's first CIA director, says he never met privately with Clinton after their initial interview. When a small plane crashed on the White House grounds in 1994, the joke inside the White House was, 'that must be Woolsey, still trying to get an appointment.'"

In 1996, an American Muslim businessman and Clinton supporter named Mansoor Ijaz opened up an unofficial channel between the government of the Sudan and the Clinton Administration. At the same time, "the State Department was describing bin Laden as 'the greatest single financier of terrorist projects in the world' and was accusing the Sudan of harboring terrorists." According to Mansoor, who met with Clinton and Sandy Berger, "President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas. Among the members of these networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center. The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening."

6 posted on 05/16/2002 9:49:16 PM PDT by Danette
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To: oldvike
The liberals are just plain insane. Do they really believe that Bush would ignore a real threat if specific information was obtained about one?

This is just a case of the accusors thinking everyone would do as they have done.

7 posted on 05/16/2002 9:49:31 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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To: All
It's your choice, sit at home OR actually get out and help defend America.

How YOU can assist fighting terrorist cells in the United Sates.
17yrs old and up, no upper age limit. Something for everyone to do




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8 posted on 05/16/2002 9:50:47 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: joyce11111
I tend to agree that the Dems have miscalculated, though there is one question that I have yet to hear answered: Why did it take 8 months for this information to come out?
9 posted on 05/16/2002 9:54:52 PM PDT by Earn Your Vote
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I might even send flowers.
10 posted on 05/16/2002 9:58:05 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: Earn Your Vote
Why did it take 8 months for this information to come out?

Because the Democratic operative who leaked it
decided the optimal political benefit could be obtained
by waiting until now.

11 posted on 05/16/2002 9:58:15 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: oldvike
I think this could very well back fire on the dims.
12 posted on 05/16/2002 9:58:53 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: joyce11111
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13 posted on 05/16/2002 10:07:00 PM PDT by oldvike
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To: Danette
By Clinton's own account, Monica Lewinsky was able to visit him privately more than a dozen times in the Oval Office. But according to a USA Today investigative report, the head of the CIA could not get a single private meeting with the President, despite the Trade Center bombing of February 26, 1993 or the killing of 18 American soldiers in Mogadishu on October 3 of the same year. "James Woolsey, Clinton's first CIA director, says he never met privately with Clinton after their initial interview. When a small plane crashed on the White House grounds in 1994, the joke inside the White House was, 'that must be Woolsey, still trying to get an appointment.'"

Stunning. Sickening. I didn't think I could have more contempt him.

14 posted on 05/16/2002 10:25:24 PM PDT by watchin
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To: TaxPayer2000
The liberals are just plain insane. Do they really believe that Bush would ignore a real threat if specific information was obtained about one?

This is just a case of the accusors thinking everyone would do as they have done.

No... They don't even *care* about the issue. They just think they've found some mud and so they're throwing it in the hopes that it will stick.

My local Commie rag, the Horrorgroanian, had a big headline today, "BUSH KNEW OF TERROR THREAT!!!" or some such hysterical hype. *That* is what the Lie-berals want - headlines like that. They don't *care* whether Bush "Knew", or what he "Knew" - they just want to see if they can damage him, with any means available - the nearest rock they can pick up.

15 posted on 05/16/2002 10:44:39 PM PDT by fire_eye
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To: oldvike
The liberals are just plain insane. Do they really believe that Bush would ignore a real threat if specific information was obtained about one?

Yes they are and yes they do.

The left really and truly believe Dubya is the spawn of Satan. I mean- not joking- they really do. You should read some of the outrageous things they post on their boards. Some of them actually believe Bush/Cheney are behind 9/11. So, yeah, they're certifiable.

16 posted on 05/16/2002 10:51:22 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
..and in my own backyard, will keep a closer eye, anyone else have better details on these cells? Anyone been to their mosques lately to hear what they are talking about? Can we get a live but discrete "AlQuaida-cam" going for a session or two? Where in Santa Clara should we look?
17 posted on 05/16/2002 11:03:40 PM PDT by thunderdome
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To: joyce11111
They really are repulsive people. Is there no low they won't stoop to?
18 posted on 05/16/2002 11:05:23 PM PDT by brat
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To: oldvike
Rush will be steaming tommorrow!
19 posted on 05/16/2002 11:10:32 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
...ok, found a starting point for Santa Clara research on local radical cells:

CAIR N. California
Address: 3000 Scott Blvd.
Suite 104
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Telephone: 408-986-9874
Fax: 408-986-9875
Email: cair_nca@cair-california.org

Just note that the CAIR main site - http://www.cair-net.org/asp/chapters.asp - specifically states:

"We condemn in the strongest terms possible the vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts. "

...nevertheless, we should make sure that we know these people and those that associate with them.

20 posted on 05/16/2002 11:11:36 PM PDT by thunderdome
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To: brat
I just hate to use the word *hate*..but...sometimes I just .......
21 posted on 05/16/2002 11:12:40 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: joyce11111
The vice president attacked Democratic Party critics of the White House's handling of pre-Sept. 11 terrorism warnings, saying that suggestions the attacks could have been prevented were "thoroughly irresponsible and totally unworthy of national leaders in a time of war."

Mr. Cheney, anyone that suggests that the attacks couldn't have been prevented is thoroughly irresponsible and totally unworthy to be a national leader at any time.

22 posted on 05/16/2002 11:13:23 PM PDT by RickyJ
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To: joyce11111
The ONLY thing daschle is gravely concerned about is his political future.
23 posted on 05/16/2002 11:17:45 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: watchin
Stunning. Sickening. I didn't think I could have more contempt him.

I heard Woolsey confirm this account -- including the joke about the plane crash -- in an in-depth interview on NPR a few days ago. Woolsey, a xlinton appointee, chooses his words diplomatically, but he obviously views his former boss with complete contempt.

24 posted on 05/16/2002 11:20:52 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
This is just too incredible for words. The only way I could make sense out of this was to assume that the story must have been exagerated - but you've eliminated that possibility.

How could he be president for eight years and never meet with this man? He should be strung up, drawn and quartered, tarred and feathered, beheaded and exiled - in whatever order, I don't care.

Instead, he'll probably eventually run the UN.

25 posted on 05/17/2002 12:20:14 AM PDT by watchin
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To: watchin
Here is a very interesting profile on CIA Director Woolsey from the Washington Post:
Woolsey said that during his two years with administration, he had only two meetings with the president. Both included other national security officials. Early on, Woolsey had tried to cultivate a more private relationship by accompanying the professional CIA briefer to his morning session at the White House. Knowing that presidents often invite the briefer -- and the CIA director if he is present -- for a dialogue about the intelligence memos, Woolsey made it a point to be there. But after cooling his heels for an hour each morning for two weeks outside the Oval Office, he gave up.

26 posted on 05/17/2002 12:35:47 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: joyce11111
"Cheney says U.S. faces threat of worse attack"

UNFORTUNATELY, AFTER READING THE MIDDLE EAST NEWS FOR AWHILE; I BELIEVE V.P. CHENEY IS RIGHT.

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27 posted on 05/17/2002 1:02:56 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: The Great Satan
And yet, 911 was Bush's fault. sigh.

You know, I generally try to tolerate the Democrats, telling myself they're Americans just like the rest of us, but with a different, less intelligent point of view.

Sometimes I stop telling myself all of that and just admit that they're deliberately out to destroy the country.

28 posted on 05/17/2002 1:03:22 AM PDT by watchin
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To: watchin
That's being too kind, in my view. Conservatives may be deliberately out to save the country. Picture

But I don't think it's like that for liberals. It's not like the liberals view the country as something distinct, as I would a cockroach, that they have determined should be destroyed, and seek whatever means they can find to do that ... the flip side of Freepers trying to save it.

Liberals en masse are not Darth Vader. They are rat poop. They spread disease and stink in my pantry not because they have deliberately joined the forces of evil, but because they haven't risen to a sufficient level of personal integrity, social responsibility, intellectual competence or spiritual awareness to resist being carriers for disease and pestilance (of our culture, our communities, our families, our schools and the body politic, in this case).

29 posted on 05/17/2002 1:30:47 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow; MeeknMing; infowars; dennisw
I nominate the following for "Paragraph of the Day".

Liberals en masse are not Darth Vader. They are rat poop. They spread disease and stink in my pantry not because they have deliberately joined the forces of evil, but because they haven't risen to a sufficient level of personal integrity, social responsibility, intellectual competence or spiritual awareness to resist being carriers for disease and pestilance (of our culture, our communities, our families, our schools and the body politic, in this case).

Bump.

30 posted on 05/17/2002 3:58:21 AM PDT by packrat01
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To: joyce11111
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said he was "gravely concerned."

Tommy, you should be concerned. You and your Dim cronies have erred. You have made a misstep and you've been unmasked. Pay attention, now. This is called "backlash."

31 posted on 05/17/2002 4:55:39 AM PDT by ncpastor
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To: Danette
Thank you, Danette. Very insightful, very informative.
32 posted on 05/17/2002 4:59:04 AM PDT by ncpastor
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To: Danette
And they want to blame President Bush? When it is clearly obvious the blame belongs to the previous administration and certain members of the democratic party in the Senate and Congress
33 posted on 05/17/2002 5:14:25 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Danette, CyberAnt, Miss Marple, backhoe, all
In 1993, the FBI identified three charities connected to the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas that were being used to finance terrorist activities, sending as much as $20 million a year to America's enemies. According to presidential adviser Dick Morris, "At a White House strategy meeting on April 27, 1995—two weeks after the Oklahoma City bombing—the President was urged to create a 'President's List' of extremist/terrorist groups, their members and donors 'to warn the public against well-intentioned donations which might foster terrorism.' On April 1, 1996, he was again advised to 'prohibit fund-raising by terrorists and identify terrorist organizations.'" Hamas was specifically mentioned.

Inexplicably Clinton ignored these recommendations. Why? FBI agents have stated that they were prevented from opening either criminal or national-security cases because of a fear that it would be seen as 'profiling' Islamic charities. While Clinton was 'politically correct,' Hamas flourished.

In failing to heed the signs that America was at war with a deadly adversary, overcome the ideological obstacles created by the liberal biases of his administration and arouse an uninformed public to concern, it was the commander-in-chief who bore primary responsibility. As one former administration official told reporter Joe Klein "Clinton spent less concentrated attention on national defense than any another President in recent memory." Clinton's political advisor Dick Morris flatly charged, "Clinton's failure to mobilize America to confront foreign terror after the 1993 attack [on the World Trade Center] led directly to the 9/11 disaster." According to Morris "Clinton was removed, uninvolved, and distant where the war on terror was concerned."

By Clinton's own account, Monica Lewinsky was able to visit him privately more than a dozen times in the Oval Office. But according to a USA Today investigative report, the head of the CIA could not get a single private meeting with the President, despite the Trade Center bombing of February 26, 1993 or the killing of 18 American soldiers in Mogadishu on October 3 of the same year. "James Woolsey, Clinton's first CIA director, says he never met privately with Clinton after their initial interview. When a small plane crashed on the White House grounds in 1994, the joke inside the White House was, 'that must be Woolsey, still trying to get an appointment.'"

In 1996, an American Muslim businessman and Clinton supporter named Mansoor Ijaz opened up an unofficial channel between the government of the Sudan and the Clinton Administration. At the same time, "the State Department was describing bin Laden as 'the greatest single financier of terrorist projects in the world' and was accusing the Sudan of harboring terrorists." According to Mansoor, who met with Clinton and Sandy Berger, "President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas. Among the members of these networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center. The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening."

Excellent find - thanks - and to all - hit the phones today, make those calls, send emails, write letters. The RATS want investigations ......... while we are trying to fight a war on terrorism and trying to defned our country from further attacks? OK - let's get some of our investigative experts at FR to work - and leave the federal agencies alone so they can do their jobs of protecting this country! Add in many of the alternative press resources and we could find the truth and get it out for all Americans to know!

As Miss Marple has said - we are not spectators, we are citizens. Let us get busy and get the facts out to the media today.......and don't stop until they acknowledge the Clinton COMPLICITY in the attacks against our country! (instead of claiming President Bush knew in advance what was planned against us and did nothing).

34 posted on 05/17/2002 5:16:37 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: joyce11111
"dasshole and gebhard have some 'splain' to do."

These two "obstructionists" plus other's are going to have a lot of 'splainin' to do. Don't know if anyone else caught it, but the gals/fellows in the United States Military are doing some of their own complaining about these "arm-chair" warriors that think they have a clue as to what is happening. Their interference is making our military very nervous and they want Daschle, Gephardt and other's to butt out with their wild accusations against President Bush. This was brought up by FOX just yesterday.

35 posted on 05/17/2002 5:24:29 AM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Earn Your Vote
Why did it take 8 months for this information to come out?

It didn't. There's nothing new in this "information." The President gets briefed all the time on generic threats. [yawn]

36 posted on 05/17/2002 5:25:19 AM PDT by Coop
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt;all
Here's a Note to Activists:

Want to do something? Go here:

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for links, tools, & instructions about how to contact a pile of different people, and how to send a link to this story right here ( or anywhere else ) to a "mass email" using Outlook Express.


Do be advised that since I increased my volume of mass emails to letters to editors I have gotten return vollies of virus attacks- my ISP filters them out before the get to my PC, but if yours does not, take appropriate precautions to guard your PC.

I take this as a positive- my emails are simply links with no editorial content; so the other side must fear & loath the information even reaching the public.

37 posted on 05/17/2002 5:26:41 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: RickyJ
Mr. Cheney, anyone that suggests that the attacks couldn't have been prevented is thoroughly irresponsible and totally unworthy to be a national leader at any time.

No, any hindsight hack sitting behind a keyboard suggesting he knows more about 9/11 than the Vice President is thoroughly an idiot.

38 posted on 05/17/2002 5:27:54 AM PDT by Coop
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To: joyce11111
""There is an obligation on the part of the Congress to make certain that any investigation is conducted in a professional and responsible manner by members who are knowledgeable and are committed to improving our ability to defend the nation, not those who would seek short term political advantage," Cheney said."

That leaves out McKinney.

39 posted on 05/17/2002 5:30:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: Coop
Any one that suggests that the attacks of 9/11 couldn't have been prevented is an idiot.
40 posted on 05/17/2002 6:03:03 AM PDT by RickyJ
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To: watchin
How could he be president for eight years and never meet with this man? He should be strung up, drawn and quartered, tarred and feathered, beheaded and exiled - in whatever order, I don't care. Instead, he'll probably eventually run the UN.

I and many others totally agree with you, but why for God's sakes has GW protected him in every manner since he took office. Why has GW signed executive orders that would prevent investigations of the former pres.
That is just a few examples.

41 posted on 05/17/2002 6:15:46 AM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: RickyJ
Any one that suggests that the attacks of 9/11 couldn't have been prevented is an idiot.

Any keyboard pounding idiot with NO KNOWLEDGE who broadly suggests 9/11 could/should have been prevented is a complete idiot.

42 posted on 05/17/2002 7:08:24 AM PDT by Coop
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To: Coop
Any keyboard pounding idiot with NO KNOWLEDGE who broadly suggests 9/11 could/should have been prevented is a complete idiot.

We must be able to protect ourseleves from enemies around the world, and we must be sucessful if we want to survive as a nation.

43 posted on 05/17/2002 7:37:22 AM PDT by RickyJ
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To: RickyJ
I'm glad you used the word "we" in the above post. If events leading up to 9/11 were so darned obvious, why didn't you take it upon yourself to identify the risk, warn your fellow citizens, and stop the attack?
44 posted on 05/17/2002 7:38:59 AM PDT by Coop
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To: joyce11111
The vice president attacked Democratic Party critics of the White House's handling of pre-Sept. 11 terrorism warnings, saying that suggestions the attacks could have been prevented were "thoroughly irresponsible and totally unworthy of national leaders in a time of war."

Key members of Congress had demanded earlier to know if the U.S. government had had enough information to head off the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Was there a failure of intelligence? Did the right officials not act on the intelligence in the proper way? These are the things we need to find out," said House of Representatives Democratic leader Richard Gephardt.

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said he was "gravely concerned."

Administration officials said President George W. Bush had been warned in August of a possible hijack plot, but the intelligence was too general to act upon.

In his speech Cheney said he wanted to tell "my Democratic friends in the Congress is that they need to be very cautious not to seek political advantage by making incendiary suggestions".

Keep up the GOOD work, DIVISIVE DIMocRATS!
I look Sooo forward to the November election returns!......



45 posted on 05/17/2002 7:54:51 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: joyce11111
Gephard and Dash-ass will say nothing. The liberal press will protect them, and nothing will happen to them. I offer into evidence the fact that one Fat Teddy Kennedy still sits on the liberal throne.
46 posted on 05/17/2002 7:59:19 AM PDT by RetiredArmy
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To: MeeknMing
That is EXCELLENT! Where did that cartoon come from?
47 posted on 05/17/2002 9:16:24 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: MeeknMing
Oh I see.... Wash. Times. *Never Mind*
48 posted on 05/17/2002 9:17:23 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: packrat01
Thanks for the bump.
49 posted on 05/17/2002 12:55:20 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: Siobhan
That is EXCELLENT! Where did that cartoon come from?

That cartoon was originally an Enron Scandal paint (below), and a couple
of days ago I posted it on another thread. Another FReeper took it, modified
it with the 911 and reposted it back to me. It IS really good, isn't it? Thanks!



50 posted on 05/18/2002 8:52:56 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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