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Dan Rather says 'patriotism run amok'impeding good news
Nando Times/AP ^ | 5/17/02 | Staff

Posted on 05/17/2002 9:38:53 PM PDT by LarryLied

LONDON (May 17, 2002 11:39 p.m. EDT) - Patriotism has been so strong in the United States since the Sept. 11 attacks that it sometimes prevents American journalists from asking tough questions about the war on terrorism, CBS News anchor Dan Rather said on British TV on Thursday night.

"What we are talking about here - whether one wants to recognize it or not, or call it by its proper name or not - is a form of self-censorship," Rather said on the British Broadcasting Corp. Newsnight TV show.

"It starts with a feeling of patriotism within oneself. It carries through with a certain knowledge that the country as a whole - and for all the right reasons - felt and continues to feel this surge of patriotism within themselves," he said.

"And one finds oneself saying, 'I know the right question, but you know what? This is not exactly the right time to ask it," said Rather.

As the BBC interview was being shown in Britain, the White House was facing questions about its decision not to alert the American public in the weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden wanted to hijack U.S. airplanes.

Rather said that "patriotism run amok" is making it difficult for journalists to provide Americans with all the information they need about the war in Afghanistan and to hold the Bush administration accountable.

He also accused the Bush administration of failing to give journalists full access to the fighting and the information it has about the war.

"There has never been an American war, small or large, in which access has been so limited as this one," Rather said, adding that he was sorry to say that the American people have accepted these limitations.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: danrather
Anyone know if the BCC Newsnight has a transcript of Dan?
1 posted on 05/17/2002 9:38:53 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
It is to laugh.

Blather wouldn't know good journalism if it sat up and slapped him in the face.

2 posted on 05/17/2002 9:50:42 PM PDT by Avg_Joe_6-pack_Couch_Potatoe
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To: LarryLied
"There has never been an American war, small or large, in which access has been so limited as this one," Rather said, adding that he was sorry to say that the American people have accepted these limitations.

DAN IS A LIAR. In World War II all war reporters were drafted into the army. They were forced to wear military uniforms with out badge of rank and call all officers SIR. They had the rank of a 2nd John. But were were considered to have less seniority than any commissioned 2nd john entited to wear the badge of rank. They reporters had to be saluted by enlisted men, but could not command them.

All NEWS reports had to be cleared by a military censor..Yes that was their title MILITARY Censor. A reporter who filed a story with his paper nor station, with out having it censored first was court marshalled. They would be tried by a military courts marshall. They were also paid by the military. They were in fact drafted members of the us army. In the European theater they has what ever access Eisenhower said they had today. And they had to get Military approval to report anything. In the Pacific theatre MacArthur was their boss. He was their commander.

War correspondents in world war II came under the UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE. That means they had no constitutional rights to civilian justice. If Eisenhower or MacArthur wanted one of them shot, he would have been shot. That is the freedom they had in WWII.

That is the truth and Rather is a liar. He just thinks that you are too dump to know he is lying.


3 posted on 05/17/2002 9:54:24 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
Thanks for that bit of info tator.
4 posted on 05/17/2002 10:05:34 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Common Tator
Truth bump.

Good stuff Common Tator, thanks.

6 posted on 05/17/2002 10:07:44 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: LarryLied
The "limitations" we American people "have accepted" is that RATHER considers himself a journalist and we have to constantly look elsewhere for REAL REPORTING!!!!
7 posted on 05/17/2002 10:14:35 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: LarryLied
Dan Rather, one of the most respected and well-known broadcasters in the United States said last night that the mood of extreme patriotism engulfing the country since 11 September had stopped the media asking difficult questions of America's leaders

Yeah, Dan, like the "difficult questions" you always had for the Scumbag administration, or the "difficult questions" you and your liberal ilk were always asking Senator Bride of Scumbag, before the 9/11 attacks. Okay, Dan.

8 posted on 05/17/2002 10:16:01 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: LarryLied
Well Danny boy doesn't have to worry. No one would accuse him of having too much patriotism!
Of course, those of us who live in the US know what he really means, Too many people approve of the job President Bush is doing! That is what really bothers Dan the Man!
9 posted on 05/17/2002 10:18:53 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: LarryLied
This t*rd has gotten too big for his britches!
10 posted on 05/17/2002 10:21:03 PM PDT by timestax
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To: LarryLied
adding that he was sorry to say that the American people have accepted these limitations.

If it means you are limited in what you can lie about Dan, we're all for it.

11 posted on 05/17/2002 10:26:30 PM PDT by swheats
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
You are so wrong here! Poor DR is an unfortunate phsychotic delusional celebrity who truly believes he has all the answers and if everyone just listened to his infinate words of wisdom,and followed in his footsteps, world peace would be ours!

Sigh.Why dont you understand the clarity of Dan's world? He does know it all. We are all remiss in not worshipping him.After all, he was elected to.......

12 posted on 05/17/2002 10:27:43 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: LarryLied
"And one finds oneself saying, 'I know the right question, but you know what? This is not exactly the right time to ask it," said Rather.

As the BBC interview was being shown in Britain, the White House was facing questions about its decision not to alert the American public in the weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden wanted to hijack U.S. airplanes.

Rather said that "patriotism run amok" is making it difficult for journalists to provide Americans with all the information they need about the war in Afghanistan and to hold the Bush administration accountable.

The left wing media is frustrated. Rather and his biased media buddies would like to turn the public against the Bush administration but the people can no longer swallow their liberal tripe. Not because of patriotism, or lack of access to information, or censorship. The public overwhelmingly supports Bush. They believe that he is doing exactly what needs to be done to defeat our enemies.

None of the innuendos, claims of corruption, inside deals, or trumped up scandals have stuck to the Bush administration and it is driving the liberal press crazy. Fewer people are listening and they are getting desperate. It's conservatism run amok Dan, get used to it.

13 posted on 05/17/2002 10:33:30 PM PDT by eggman
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To: eggman
bump
14 posted on 05/17/2002 10:42:06 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax; ladyinred; Lancey Howard;BurkeCalhounDabney;Common Tator;Avg_Joe_6-pack_Couch_Potatoe...
Is truth a victim?

by Madeleine Holt
BBC Newsnight Arts correspondent

One of America's foremost newscasters, Dan Rather of CBS, says the US media has stopped asking tough questions of the Bush administration since 11 September.

And he blames a climate of extraordinary patriotism.

In an interview with Newsnight, the CBS anchorman says that fear of offending the politicians "keeps journalists from asking the toughest of the tough questions" and adds: "I do not except myself from this criticism."

Rather's anger is also aimed at a new kind of war coverage which has emerged since the terrorist attacks of last year.

Unprecedented access

It's been coined "Milatainment" - entertainment programmes about the military, which include the shows Military Diaries, American Fighter Pilot and Profiles from the Front Line.

Crucially, Milatainment is being produced with the co-operation of the Department of Defense, which is offering documentary makers unprecedented access.

Military Diaries is a 13 episode documentary for music channel VH1. It features personal stories from men and women on the front line talking about the music they listen to away from home.

Producer RJ Cutler, who was Oscar nominated for his Clinton campaign documentary in 1992, was allowed to hand out 80 digital cameras to service personnel to record their feelings for broadcast.

Editorial control

One of the episodes is about Operation Anaconda - the 17-day offensive to flush out al-Qaeda members from caves in eastern Afghanistan.

Mr Cutler says: "This is first hand eyewitness accounts with combat footage that no-one has ever seen before. This is the real thing."

He claims to have editorial control over his material, but admits that "anytime you can put a human face on a soldier or a sailor or a marine - I guess that's to the benefit of the Department of Defense."

A spokesman for the Pentagon told Newsnight that they consistently gave more access to news teams than to "reality TV" makers.

But he also said there were clear advantages in co-operating with entertainment producers, because they were less likely to "run off to Baghdad and film the flipside".

Rather argues that reality TV doesn't always reflect the truth.

Sensational images

He says: "What you see in a movie or a made-for-TV reality series is not war. It's somebody's glamourised view of war."

Mr Cutler responds in kind, saying that news is as keen to exploit sensational images for ratings.

He says: "They want loud headlines and external sensationalism and ideally, somebody's leg being blown up."

News reporter and reality TV director may have irreconcileable views about what kind of coverage is more truthful.

But Rather's fundamental concerns are with government accountability and journalistic integrity.

"There has never been an American war, small or large, in which access has been so limited as this one," says Rather.

News divisions appear to be carrying on as usual but journalists find it extremely difficult to verify information provided by the US Government, he contends.

Many stories are being half told, Rather argues, citing Operation Anaconda as one of many.

Uphill struggle

He says: "Limiting access, limiting information to cover the backsides of those who are in charge of the war is extremely dangerous and cannot and should not be accepted."

Rather faces an uphill struggle if he wants to teach the Pentagon how to run their war.

But he may well succeed in rallying journalists to go against the current swell of patriotism and ask those difficult questions.

"I would willingly die for my country at a moment's notice and on the command of my president," says Rather.

"Its unpatriotic not to stand up, look them in the eye, and ask the questions they don't want to hear."

Yet what Rather believes is in the public interest may not interest the American public - at least not yet.


15 posted on 05/17/2002 10:49:40 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
I love watching liberal fascist scum like DR whistle as they walk past their own collective grave...Reading this makes me want to go hang out in front of the local NBC affiliate and just say

"Freerepublic.com is where I get all my news, have you heard of them? Oh its fantastic! You should check it out!"

In front of every newsie as he slumps up to his office in terror of finding a pink slip in his Demoroidally correct in-basket...*EVIL glee begin!

Great Post LL!

16 posted on 05/17/2002 10:54:04 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: LarryLied
Dan is a blowhole. How can a liberal socialist journalist be patriotic?
17 posted on 05/17/2002 11:09:03 PM PDT by Draakan
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To: sleavelessinseattle
Notice how Dan runs to London to make these comments right when he is insinuating Bush could have prevented 9/11. Hope Newsmax and others pick up his comments. This article was buried on an entertainment wire.
18 posted on 05/17/2002 11:13:49 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
I used to actually think he was an okay news reader until the Brady Bill camel's nose poked in to my happy life, He called RKBA activists terrorists for believing in rights guaranteed in the US Constitution...Now he thinks I'm too patriotic to digest the "objective reporting of the news" as he sees it...

I can't change the channel fast enough when I see the greasy Blithering SOB's face on the TV now... I hope he gets a good dose of London's night life...Most common crime...knife fights...

19 posted on 05/17/2002 11:22:39 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: LarryLied
Good. Let patriotism keep running amok.
20 posted on 05/17/2002 11:28:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: LarryLied
"patriotism run amok"

Aw come on Dan. If you ask me, we're just barely gettin warmed up here. I want to see youngsters with belt-fed weapons marching in parades shouting out for God and country! Shoutin the 'Pledge, and praying in schools.

Stay over there, Dan, you can wet the bed with the best of 'em. And we don't want your stink around here. You have caused more division and repulsive apathetic doubt than you've reported news in your shallow self aggrandizing, and appeals for notoriety. And Sir, your swill makes hog wash appealing

21 posted on 05/17/2002 11:32:26 PM PDT by kickme
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To: LarryLied
Wonder if the fact that we have U.S. enemies in our own government and media would tend to make an administration limit their accessibility? Are we that geared to having the press on the battle line that we are willing for them to leak information that would help the enemy and harm our soldiers? Not me.
22 posted on 05/17/2002 11:47:20 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: LarryLied
This from the King and Emperor of the PC speak gag rules. I'm sorry he is so shallow that it took 9-11 to cause patriotism to swell in his empty grinch chest. Most likely it's gas.

The only reason his venom is kept in those fangs, is that he fears being drummed out of television for his anti-American retoric at this time in our history. It has recently happened to better men than him, that scab Bill Mahler for instance.

23 posted on 05/17/2002 11:51:54 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: LarryLied

Dan Rather with a political soul mate.

24 posted on 05/18/2002 12:54:45 AM PDT by binger
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To: kickme
Stay over there, Dan, you can wet the bed with the best of 'em. And we don't want your stink around here. You have caused more division and repulsive apathetic doubt than you've reported news in your shallow self aggrandizing, and appeals for notoriety. And Sir, your swill makes hog wash appealing

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!

25 posted on 05/18/2002 1:18:23 AM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: LarryLied
What a scummy puke Blather is. "Look at ME!" he's really saying. Must have taken Xlinton lessons.

Vote.com has up a poll on this subject. Send Blather a message!

Rather says patriotism infects news

Look at the loaded terms, people! "Patriotism run amok" reminds me of the commie statement, "Freedoms are precious, that's why we must restrict them." The self-proclaimed elite ALWAYS know what's best for us, of course!

This "patriotism" is too independent, too likely to cause people to make their own informed choices, without "spin" to help the unwashed rubes find their undeserving way to the Great Guru Dan...

26 posted on 05/18/2002 1:48:00 AM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: LarryLied
If C.B.S. is wondering why they are losing viewers look at two things: The news division is terrible.

The entertainment division is terrible.

Other then that everything is ok there. I wouldn't trust Dan Blather to give me any news. If Rather said the sky is blue I'd go outside and check.

27 posted on 05/18/2002 1:55:43 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: LarryLied
And one finds oneself saying, 'I know the right question, but you know what? This is not exactly the right time to ask it," said Rather.

The right question, Dan, was: "why did you rape Juanitta Broderick?"

Guess you never found the right time to ask that, did you Dan?
28 posted on 05/18/2002 2:02:03 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain
Dan does have a problem with news. For 8 years he didn't ask any questions and even led the evening news during Clinton's impeachment with polls proving the "American People" supported scumbag. Then he thought the Condit story distasteful and didn't report that. Now, dad gum, patriotism prevents him from asking hard questions of Bush.
29 posted on 05/18/2002 3:08:43 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied

Rather said that "patriotism run amok" is making it difficult for journalists to provide Americans with all the information they need about the war in Afghanistan and to hold the Bush administration accountable.

What a whiner. Dan Rather and company tried their hardest to knock President Bush's high approval rating down but failed and now he's all but pleading with the people to dump on the President.

30 posted on 05/18/2002 3:22:15 AM PDT by Zon
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To: LarryLied
One question Rather might ought to ask is why the Clinton administration did nothing in 1999 when reports first surfaced about al-Qaeda's possible suicide attacks.

He might also ask why airline safety recommendations were gutted during the Clinton administration:

Airline safety flies cheaply, behind politics

Press Ignores Gore Scandal

31 posted on 05/18/2002 6:36:03 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: LarryLied
It's way past time for Dan to find a new gig.

Preferably one where he can stay in his bathrobe and slippers all day long, and work on 10,000-piece jigsaw puzzles in the rec room.

32 posted on 05/18/2002 6:52:06 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: LarryLied
I'd also like to know why Clinton never responded adequately to the terrorist attacks against our embassies and the U.S.S. Cole in the late 1990's. And if he had, might 9/11 have been prevented?
33 posted on 05/18/2002 6:53:44 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia;
Now Clinton is claiming the Intelligence briefing was not an intelligence briefing...lol
34 posted on 05/18/2002 4:31:00 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
bumpity uppity
35 posted on 05/19/2002 6:00:48 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax
Thought Newsmax or somebody would pick up this BBC story. Maybe Dan just isn't worth the bother anymore.
36 posted on 05/19/2002 6:16:56 PM PDT by LarryLied
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