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Seven Reasons Why Israel is Entitled to the Land
Christian Broadcasting ^ | March 4, 2002 | Senator James Inhofe

Posted on 05/20/2002 8:51:57 AM PDT by xvb

Seven Reasons Why Israel is Entitled to the Land

In a speech before the Senate last month, Senator James Inhofe stood against world opinion and offered seven reasons why Israel alone is entitled to possess the Holy Land. - I was interested the other day when I heard that the de facto ruler, Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah, made a statement which was received by many in this country as if it were a statement of fact, as if it were something new, a concept for peace in the Middle East that no one had ever heard of before. I was kind of shocked that it was so well received by many people who had been down this road before. I suggest to you that what Crown Prince Abdullah talked about a few days ago was not new at all. He talked about the fact that under the Abdullah plan, Arabs would normalize relations with Israel in exchange for the Jewish state surrendering the territory it received after the 1976 Six-Day War as if that were something new. He went on to talk about other land that had been acquired and had been taken by Israel.

I remember so well on December 4 when we covered all of this and the fact that there isn't anything new about the prospect of giving up land that is rightfully Israel's land in order to have peace.

When it gets right down to it, the land doesn't make that much difference because Yasser Arafat and others don't recognize Israel's right to any of the land. They do not recognize Israel's right to exist.

I will discuss seven reasons, which I mentioned once before, why Israel is entitled to the land they have and that it should not be a part of the peace process.

If this is something that Israel wants to do, it is their business to do it. But anyone who has tried to put the pressure on Israel to do this is wrong.

We are going to be hit by skeptics who are going to say we will be attacked because of our support for Israel, and if we get out of the Middle East — that is us — all the problems will go away. That is just not true. If we withdraw, all of these problems will again come to our door.

I have some observations to make about that. But I would like to reemphasize once again the seven reasons that Israel has the right to their land. The first reason is that Israel has the right to the land because of all of the archeological evidence. That is reason, No. 1. All the archeological evidence supports it.

Every time there is a dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that Israelis have had a presence there for 3,000 years. They have been there for a long time. The coins, the cities, the pottery, the culture--there are other people, groups that are there, but there is no mistaking the fact that Israelis have been present in that land for 3,000 years.

It predates any claims that other peoples in the regions may have. The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Israelis have.

Even the Egyptians of today are not racial Egyptians of 2,000, 3,000 years ago. They are primarily an Arab people. The land is called Egypt, but they are not the same racial and ethnic stock as the old Egyptians of the ancient world. The first Israelis are in fact descended from the original Israelites. The first proof, then, is the archeology.

The second proof of Israel's right to the land is the historic right. History supports it totally and completely. We know there has been an Israel up until the time of the Roman Empire. The Romans conquered the land. Israel had no homeland, although Jews were allowed to live there. They were driven from the land in two dispersions: One was in 70 A,.D. and the other was in 135 A.D. But there was always a Jewish presence in the land.

The Turks, who took over about 700 years ago and ruled the land up until about World War I, had control. Then the land was conquered by the British. The Turks entered World War I on the side of Germany. The British knew they had to do something to punish Turkey, and also to break up that empire that was going to be a part of the whole effort of Germany in World War I. So the British sent troops against the Turks in the Holy Land.

One of the generals who was leading the British armies was a man named Allenby. Allenby was a Bible-believing Christian. He carried a Bible with him everywhere he went and he knew the significance of Jerusalem.

The night before the attack against Jerusalem to drive out the Turks, Allenby prayed that God would allow him to capture the city without doing damage to the holy places.

That day, Allenby sent World War I biplanes over the city of Jerusalem to do a reconnaissance mission. You have to understand that the Turks had at that time never seen an airplane. So there they were, flying around. They looked in the sky and saw these fascinating inventions and did not know what they were, and they were terrified by them. Then they were told they were going to be opposed by a man named Allenby the next day, which means, in their language, ``man sent from God'' or ``prophet from God.'' They dared not fight against a prophet from God, so the next morning, when Allenby went to take Jerusalem, he went in and captured it without firing a single shot.

The British Government was grateful to Jewish people around the world, particularly to one Jewish chemist who helped them manufacture niter. Niter is an ingredient that was used in nitroglycerin which was sent over from the New World. But they did not have a way of getting it to England. The German U-boats were shooting on the boats, so most of the niter they were trying to import to make nitroglycerin was at the bottom of the ocean. But a man named Weitzman, a Jewish chemist, discovered a way to make it from materials that existed in England. As a result, they were able to continue that supply.

The British at that time said they were going to give the Jewish people a homeland. That is all a part of history. It is all written down in history. They were gratified that the Jewish people, the bankers, came through and helped finance the war.

The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what was then the nation of Jordan--the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews in 1917.

In the beginning, there was some Arab support for this action. There was not a huge Arab population in the land at that time, and there is a reason for that. The land was not able to sustain a large population of people. It just did not have the development it needed to handle those people, and the land was not really wanted by anybody. Nobody really wanted this land. It was considered to be worthless land.

I want the Presiding Officer to hear what Mark Twain said. And, of course, you may have read ``Huckleberry Finn'' and ``Tom Sawyer.'' Mark Twain--Samuel Clemens--took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land. We are talking about Israel now. He said:

A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.

Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestinians were not there. Palestine was a region named by the Romans, but at that time it was under the control of Turkey, and there was no large mass of people there because the land would not support them.

This is the report that the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, made. It quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913. This is the Palestinian Royal Commission. They said:

The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants.

That was 1913.

The French author Voltaire described Palestine as ``a hopeless, dreary place.''

In short, under the Turks the land suffered from neglect and low population. That is a historic fact. The nation became populated by both Jews and Arabs because the land came to prosper when Jews came back and began to reclaim it. Historically, they began to reclaim it. If there had never been any archaeological evidence to support the rights of the Israelis to the territory, it is also important to recognize that other nations in the area have no longstanding claim to the country either.

Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941; the borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks.

Historically, Israel gained its independence in 1948.

The third reason that land belongs to Israel is the practical value of the Israelis being there. Israel today is a modern marvel of agriculture. Israel is able to bring more food out of a desert environment than any other country in the world. The Arab nations ought to make Israel their friend and import technology from Israel that would allow all the Middle East, not just Israel, to become an exporter of food. Israel has unarguable success in its agriculture.

The fourth reason I believe Israel has the right to the land is on the grounds of humanitarian concern. You see, there were 6 million Jews slaughtered in Europe in World War II. The persecution against the Jews had been very strong in Russia since the advent of communism. It was against them even before then under the Czars.

These people have a right to their homeland. If we are not going to allow them a homeland in the Middle East, then where? What other nation on Earth is going to cede territory, is going to give up land?

They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel would fit into my home State of Oklahoma seven times. It would fit into the Presiding Officer's State of Georgia seven times. They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel is very small. It is a nation that, up until the time that claims started coming in, was not desired by anybody.

The fifth reason Israel ought to have their land is that she is a strategic ally of the United States. Whether we realize it or not, Israel is a detriment, an impediment, to certain groups hostile to democracies and hostile to what we believe in, hostile to that which makes us the greatest nation in the history of the world. They have kept them from taking complete control of the Middle East. If it were not for Israel, they would overrun the region. They are our strategic ally.

It is good to know we have a friend in the Middle East on whom we can count. They vote with us in the United Nations more than England, more than Canada, more than France, more than Germany--more than any other country in the world.

The sixth reason is that Israel is a roadblock to terrorism. The war we are now facing is not against a sovereign nation; it is against a group of terrorists who are very fluid, moving from one country to another. They are almost invisible. That is whom we are fighting against today.

We need every ally we can get. If we do not stop terrorism in the Middle East, it will be on our shores. We have said this again and again and again, and it is true.

One of the reasons I believe the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America is that the policy of our Government has been to ask the Israelis, and demand it with pressure, not to retaliate in a significant way against the terrorist strikes that have been launched against them.

Since its independence in 1948, Israel has fought four wars: The war in 1948 and 1949--that was the war for independence--the war in 1956, the Sinai campaign; the Six-Day War in 1967; and in 1973, the Yom Kippur War, the holiest day of the year, and that was with Egypt and Syria.

You have to understand that in all four cases, Israel was attacked. They were not the aggressor. Some people may argue that this was not true because they went in first in 1956, but they knew at that time that Egypt was building a huge military to become the aggressor. Israel, in fact, was not the aggressor and has not been the aggressor in any of the four wars.

Also, they won all four wars against impossible odds. They are great warriors. They consider a level playing field being outnumbered 2 to 1.

There were 39 Scud missiles that landed on Israeli soil during the gulf war. Our President asked Israel not to respond. In order to have the Arab nations on board, we asked Israel not to participate in the war. They showed tremendous restraint and did not. Now we have asked them to stand back and not do anything over these last several attacks.

We have criticized them. We have criticized them in our media. Local people in television and radio often criticize Israel, not knowing the true facts. We need to be informed.

I was so thrilled when I heard a reporter pose a question to our Secretary of State, Colin Powell. He said:

Mr. Powell, the United States has advocated a policy of restraint in the Middle East. We have discouraged Israel from retaliation again and again and again because we've said it leads to continued escalation--that it escalates the violence. Are we going to follow that preaching ourselves?

Mr. Powell indicated we would strike back. In other words, we can tell Israel not to do it, but when it hits us, we are going to do something.

But all that changed in December when the Israelis went into the Gaza with gunships and into the West Bank with F-16s. With the exception of last May, the Israelis had not used F-16s since the 1967 6-Day War. And I am so proud of them because we have to stop terrorism. It is not going to go away. If Israel were driven into the sea tomorrow, if every Jew in the Middle East were killed, terrorism would not end. You know that in your heart. Terrorism would continue.

It is not just a matter of Israel in the Middle East. It is the heart of the very people who are perpetrating this stuff. Should they be successful in overrunning Israel--which they won't be--but should they be, it would not be enough. They will never be satisfied.

No. 7, I believe very strongly that we ought to support Israel; that it has a right to the land. This is the most important reason: Because God said so. As I said a minute ago, look it up in the book of Genesis. It is right up there on the desk.

In Genesis 13:14-17, the Bible says:

The Lord said to Abram, ``Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, and southward, and eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever. ..... Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee.''

That is God talking.

The Bible says that Abram removed his tent and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar before the Lord. Hebron is in the West Bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, ``I am giving you this land,'' — the West Bank.

This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true. The seven reasons, I am convinced, clearly establish that Israel has a right to the land.

Eight years ago on the lawn of the White House, Yitzhak Rabin shook hands with PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat. It was a historic occasion. It was a tragic occasion.

At that time, the official policy of the Government of Israel began to be, "Let us appease the terrorists. Let us begin to trade the land for peace.'' This process continued unabated up until last year. Here in our own Nation, at Camp David, in the summer of 2000, then Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Barak offered the most generous concessions to Yasser Arafat that had ever been laid on the table.

He offered him more than 90 percent of all the West Bank territory, sovereign control of it. There were some parts he did not want to offer, but in exchange for that he said he would give up land in Israel proper that the PLO had not even asked for.

And he also did the unthinkable. He even spoke of dividing Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to have their capital there in the East. Yasser Arafat stormed out of the meeting. Why did he storm out of the meeting? Everything he had said he wanted was offered there. It was put into his hands. Why did he storm out of the meeting?

A couple of months later, there began to be riots, terrorism. The riots began when now Prime Minister Ariel Sharon went to the Temple Mount. And this was used as the thing that lit the fire and that caused the explosion.

Did you know that Sharon did not go unannounced and that he contacted the Islamic authorities before he went and secured their permission and had permission to be there? It was no surprise.

The response was very carefully calculated. They knew the world would not pay attention to the details.

They would portray this in the Arab world as an attack upon the holy mosque. They would portray it as an attack upon that mosque and use it as an excuse to riot. Over the last 8 years, during this time of the peace process, where the Israeli public has pressured its leaders to give up land for peace because they are tired of fighting, there has been increased terror.

In fact, it has been greater in the last 8 years than any other time in Israel's history. Showing restraint and giving in has not produced any kind of peace. It is so much so that today the leftist peace movement in Israel does not exist because the people feel they were deceived.

They did offer a hand of peace, and it was not taken. That is why the politics of Israel have changed drastically over the past 12 months. The Israelis have come to see that, "No matter what we do, these people do not want to deal with us...... They want to destroy us.'' That is why even yet today the stationery of the PLO still has upon it the map of the entire state of Israel, not just the tiny little part they call the West Bank that they want. They want it all.

We have to get out of this mind set that somehow you can buy peace in the Middle East by giving little plots of land. It has not worked before when it has been offered.

These seven reasons show why Israel is entitled to that land.

TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events

1 posted on 05/20/2002 8:51:57 AM PDT by xvb
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To: xvb
But nobody seems to be listening - or cares.
Wonder why?
2 posted on 05/20/2002 8:59:49 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Because this conflict is not REALLY about land, it's about religion. The Arabs simply hate Jews.
But they twist it into a land issue, so as to seem less hateful. JMHO.
3 posted on 05/20/2002 9:05:38 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: First Team
The religious entitlement claim happens to be the weakest, most inane and irrelevant claim to entitlement that could possibly be made

It may not be a convincing argument to you, but it's a crucial aspect to the debate when you are dealing with Islamic fundamentalists. Their Allah is not the equivalent of the Christian God or Jewish Jaweh. He is one and the same. So, while you go and make your arguments for or against the issues in the Middle East while disregarding the religious aspects, others will be making headway. Debates on the Middle East that discount religion have all the resonance of one hand clapping...

6 posted on 05/20/2002 9:48:44 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: xvb
What you propose is not only a prescription for another two generations of absolute hatred, it flies in the face of the legitimate claims of many of the earth's peoples. It would certainly undermine the legitimacy of these United States.

I find it difficult to believe that you are really serious about basing a claim on where people lived 1900-3300 years ago. And just how consistent would you be with this? If DNA evidence showed that the major tribal group in Afghanistan were in fact descended from the lost ten tribes, as some have suggested, would you favor surrendering all of what is now Northern Israel to Afghan settlers?

At a time when many are trying to find a way out of the two generations of hatred and killing in the Holy Land, your suggestion is not constructive. Talk about trying to pour gasolene on a fire!

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

7 posted on 05/20/2002 9:49:45 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: First Team
Religion is certainly a motive, but it isn't an entitlement

You're not getting it. Inhofe's reason number 7 is that God says, in the Bible, that the Jews are entitled to Israel. Now, you and I might think that is a nice story, but unenforceable. In our secular society, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

But if you're going to argue the matter with people who do NOT separate the secular from the religious, it is an important point to make.

9 posted on 05/20/2002 10:04:07 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Mr. Bird
Actually, there is ample evidence that "Allah" is an Arabic pagan moon-god.
10 posted on 05/20/2002 10:28:02 AM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: xvb
It seems as if Sen. Inhofe has found an ubdiscovered mid-east war in his archaelogical study of the Middle East,the war of 1976. Sen. Inhofe also neglects to mention who was helping the Allied Powers,specifically the British,in the Mid-East against the Turks.Our Allies were the Arabs themselves.Hasn't Sen. Inhofe ever seen the movie 'Lawrence Of Arabia' ? Obviously historical accuracy wasn't an objective of Sen. Inhofe's.
11 posted on 05/20/2002 10:59:45 AM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: Phillip Augustus
Please share this "evidence." Inquiring minds want to know.
12 posted on 05/20/2002 11:03:16 AM PDT by Freetus
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To: First Team
Go live with your Arab brothers.
13 posted on 05/20/2002 11:03:59 AM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: Phillip Augustus
Actually, there is ample evidence that "Allah" is an Arabic pagan moon-god. - Who has to rely on mere mortal men to protect his religion of Islam, because, being only a phony, he cannot fend for himself!.
15 posted on 05/20/2002 11:15:35 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: xvb
Excellent post.

Hmmmm... the Satanists must be enraged by this.

20 percent ding rate by the moderator.

Must be the truth.

Moose Limbs go crazy when they hear the truth, like water on the Wicked Witch of the West, or Superman with Kryptonite.

16 posted on 05/20/2002 12:16:26 PM PDT by caddie
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
OK, so there was a typographical error in the piece. I see such mistakes in pretty much every newspaper in America, including the vaunted New York Times.
17 posted on 05/20/2002 12:22:23 PM PDT by jpl
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To: Mr. Bird
You're not getting it. Inhofe's reason number 7 is that God says, in the Bible, that the Jews are entitled to Israel. Now, you and I might think that is a nice story, but unenforceable. In our secular society, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Fanatics always place their unreasonable demands outside political discourse, into the hands of their god.

In this way, they are always right, and don't need to defend their arguments. Unbelievers should simply be eliminated, if the fanatic's society will allow it.
18 posted on 05/20/2002 12:26:59 PM PDT by Belial
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To: jpl
And what did you think of Sen. Inhofe's view of WWI,vis-a-vis the Turks in the Middle East?
19 posted on 05/20/2002 12:52:24 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: Belial
Fanatics always place their unreasonable demands outside political discourse, into the hands of their god

My point exactly. A shrewd non-believer would use Inhofe's point #7 to very effective ends in debating Israel's "right to exist" with the Islamo-fascists. The Muslims do not deny the Old Testament.

As for my personal feelings? I'm a render unto Caesar guy, and geopolitics certainly falls into that category, so my support for a secure Israel has no foundation in any religious belief.

20 posted on 05/20/2002 1:04:30 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: xvb
Bump for my truth file!
21 posted on 05/20/2002 1:18:34 PM PDT by Kay Soze
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To: xvb
Eighth Reason: Possession is nine points of the law.

Tough toenails, AraRat!


22 posted on 05/20/2002 1:22:36 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Mr. Bird
Their Allah is not the equivalent of the Christian God or Jewish Jaweh.

You are most certainly wrong. The fact that Islam is "monotheistic" does not in anyway, shape or form mean that their "one god" is the same as the G-d of the Bible. First, there is no such "god" as "Jaweh" as you put it. The G-d of the Bible has a name, but it cannot be pronounced so crassly as you have put it. Not only that, your spelling is laughable. The "god" who Muslims call "Allah" was the tribal deity of the village of Mecca in the time before the 7 century. Mecca was only one village on the Arabian peninsula. Essentially, the village of Mecca won - and now Muslims call "Allah" the one god. The G-d of the Bible permits no other powers or principalities to usurp His place as "the One True G-D." He shares His glory with no one - especially not the demon-god Allah.
23 posted on 05/20/2002 2:24:44 PM PDT by safisoft
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To: xvb
The British at that time said they were going to give the Jewish people a homeland. That is all a part of history. It is all written down in history. They were gratified that the Jewish people, the bankers, came through and helped finance the war.

The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what was then the nation of Jordan--the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews in 1917.

Britain did not say this explicitly. The Balfour Declaration spoke of "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people", and that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". So there was clearly no promise to "set aside" the whole of Palestine (at that time including what is now Jordan) for the exclusive use of Jews.

In fact, Britain was at the same time promising the Arabs that they would have their own self-determining state in the area. Basically, Britain said whatever it needed to say in order to get help in fighting the War.

24 posted on 05/20/2002 4:42:09 PM PDT by be131
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To: Ohioan
The Pashtuns may be decended from teh lost tribes, but they are lost. They don't know their history or cultyure. If some of them chose to convert to the Religion of Israel, they could return to Israel.
25 posted on 05/20/2002 5:26:16 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: MinuteGal
One reason * 7
They're there!

They're there!

They're there!

They're there!

They're there!

They're there!

They're there!

This is ALWAYS the reason!
The one's in power, rule.
26 posted on 05/20/2002 5:27:22 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie

Anyone want to force them out?

(Oh... I forgot..... that's been tried: more than once!)
27 posted on 05/20/2002 5:28:56 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: safisoft
Your post #23 is perfectly delineated, safisoft.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" (or after, either).


28 posted on 05/20/2002 7:32:35 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: xvb
Well as one who is not religious, I find the seven reasons totally unpersuasive. It is a recipe for perpetual war. The only adequate reason for more land is that Israel's long term survival prospects would be materially reduced without it. That case hasn't been proven - at all. I dissent (except for Jerusalem and close in suburbs, which raises special problems, and which I think at this juncture the case is clear that Israel is justified in annexing it).
29 posted on 05/20/2002 7:37:21 PM PDT by Torie
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To: safisoft
The fact that Islam is "monotheistic" does not in anyway, shape or form mean that their "one god" is the same as the G-d of the Bible.

You may not believe they are one and the same, but the Muslims do....

30 posted on 05/21/2002 5:13:20 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: ppaul
Mark Twain died in 1910.

P.S. I'm moving from my home, cuz the Indians deserve it back. I'll have to break myself into little pieces, of course, but the most of me can return to... uh, wait, where? Let's see, my heritage is British, but I'm probably French before 1098, or maybe Roman another mellenium before then, which means I'd better go back to Italy, although I'll have to make room for the Tuscans, and then Homer's friends. Back to Africa? I'll just hang with Lucy.

31 posted on 05/21/2002 5:59:09 AM PDT by nicollo
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To: Torie
Well as one who is not religious, I find the seven reasons totally unpersuasive. It is a recipe for perpetual war.

While you may be unreligious, THIS was written a loooonnng time ago.......

Genesis 16
 1.  Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar;
 2.  so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."   Abram agreed to what Sarai said.
 3.  So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.
 4.  He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.   When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress.
 5.  Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."
 6.  "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.
 7.  The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.
 8.  And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"   "I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
 9.  Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her."
 10.  The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
 11.  The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery.
 12.  He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward  all his brothers."
(Is there not all kinds of in-fighting between the Arab nations?!)
Genesis 21
 1.  Now the LORD was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did for Sarah what he had promised.
 2.  Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the very time God had promised him.
 3.  Abraham gave the name Isaac  to the son Sarah bore him.
 4.  When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him.
 5.  Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.
 6.  Sarah said, "God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this will laugh with me."
 7.  And she added, "Who would have said to Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old age."
 8.  The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast.
 9.  But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking,
 10.  and she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
 11.  The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son.
 12.  But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring  will be reckoned.
 13.  I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."
But THIS is the brother that they REALLY are upset at!

32 posted on 05/21/2002 3:39:05 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: daiuy
"Where the SON don't shine is VERY dark indeed!"
NIV Exodus 10:21-23
 21.  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand toward the sky so that darkness will spread over Egypt--darkness that can be felt."
 22.  So Moses stretched out his hand toward the sky, and total darkness covered all Egypt for three days.
 23.  No one could see anyone else or leave his place for three days. Yet all the Israelites had light in the places where they lived.
NIV Exodus 20:21
 21.  The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.
NIV Deuteronomy 28:29
 29.  At midday you will grope about like a blind man in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.
NIV 1 Samuel 2:9-10
 9.  He will guard the feet of his saints, but the wicked will be silenced in darkness. "It is not by strength that one prevails;
 10.  those who oppose the LORD will be shattered. He will thunder against them from heaven; the LORD will judge the ends of the earth. "He will give strength to his king and exalt the horn of his anointed."
NIV 2 Samuel 22:29
 29.  You are my lamp, O LORD; the LORD turns my darkness into light.
NIV Job 5:14
 14.  Darkness comes upon them in the daytime; at noon they grope as in the night.
NIV Job 15:23
 23.  He wanders about--food for vultures ; he knows the day of darkness is at hand.
NIV Job 15:30-31
 30.  He will not escape the darkness; a flame will wither his shoots, and the breath of God's mouth will carry him away.
 31.  Let him not deceive himself by trusting what is worthless, for he will get nothing in return.
NIV Job 24:16-17
 16.  In the dark, men break into houses, but by day they shut themselves in; they want nothing to do with the light.
 17.  For all of them, deep darkness is their morning ; they make friends with the terrors of darkness.
NIV Job 34:22
 22.  There is no dark place, no deep shadow, where evildoers can hide.
NIV Psalms 18:28
 28.  You, O LORD, keep my lamp burning; my God turns my darkness into light.
NIV Psalms 69:23
 23.  May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever.
NIV Psalms 112:4
 4.  Even in darkness light dawns for the upright, for the gracious and compassionate and righteous man.
NIV Psalms 139:11-12
 11.  If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,"
 12.  even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
NIV Proverbs 2:12-15
 12.  Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men, from men whose words are perverse,
 13.  who leave the straight paths to walk in dark ways,
 14.  who delight in doing wrong and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,
 15.  whose paths are crooked and who are devious in their ways.
NIV Isaiah 5:20-21
 20.  Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
 21.  Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.
NIV Isaiah 9:2
 2.  The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
NIV Isaiah 42:6-7
 6.  "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles,
 7.  to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
NIV Matthew 6:22-23
 22.  "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light.
 23.  But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
NIV John 1:5
5.  The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood  it.
NIV John 3:19-21
 19.  This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
 20.  Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
 21.  But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
NIV John 12:35-36
 35.  Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. The man who walks in the dark does not know where he is going.
 36.  Put your trust in the light while you have it, so that you may become sons of light." When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.
NIV John 12:46
 46.  I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
NIV Romans 1:21-22
 21.  For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
 22.  Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
NIV 2 Corinthians 4:6
 6.  For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness,"  made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
NIV Ephesians 4:18
 18.  They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
NIV Ephesians 5:8-11
 8.  For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light
 9.  (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
 10.  and find out what pleases the Lord.
 11.  Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
NIV Colossians 1:13-14
13.  For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
 14.  in whom we have redemption,  the forgiveness of sins.
NIV 1 Peter 2:9
9.  But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
NIV 1 John 1:5
 5.  This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
NIV 1 John 2:9
 9.  Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.

34 posted on 05/21/2002 8:18:27 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
The Jews should be able to stay as long as they want. Now, let's cut to the chase: what would you do about the Arabs who now live on the West Bank? Forced expulsion? A simple yes or no answer would be fine.
35 posted on 05/21/2002 8:26:13 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Simple? Ok, no.
Now comes the big IF!

IF, some of them do not want to live PEACEFUL lives, get rid of them - whatever it takes. We do the same in our country, no matter WHAT the nationality, race, sexual orientation, age, state of health, blah, blah, blah.

Our nation will take in politcal refugees from other nations, will the surrounding Arab nations accept the Palis?


(Golly, I wonder why???)
36 posted on 05/22/2002 6:19:28 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
No, I DON'T wonder why............

Genesis 16:12
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

37 posted on 05/22/2002 6:21:04 AM PDT by Elsie
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