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Our Kind of Yankee: Sept. 11 reminded Southerners of what we admire about New York.
Opinion Journal ^ | 05/21/2002 | JOHN SHELTON REED

Posted on 05/20/2002 9:10:24 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In the days after September 11, when Americans were watching a lot of television, many of us heard a Texas man-in-the-street tell a network interviewer something like, "Being a Texan or New Yorker just isn't very important right now. We're all Americans." Soon after that, we heard about some South Carolina middle-school students who raised the money to buy a truck for some Brooklyn firemen who lost theirs (along with seven comrades) at the World Trade Center.


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1 posted on 05/20/2002 9:10:24 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
A bit too analytical but a good piece. IMO it just boils down to "grace under fire". The City of New York and it people showed that grace in spades. That is admired no matter what region of the country it comes from.
2 posted on 05/20/2002 9:20:24 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: segis
Houstonians Austinites, for some reason, don't have as bad a case of what the Australians call "cultural cringe": On the rare occasions when they think of New Yorkers at all, they're likely to feel sorry for them because they're not Texans.

Hehe ping... ;-)

3 posted on 05/20/2002 9:25:29 PM PDT by austinTparty
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To: Pokey78
Hank Jr said it best when he sang in America Will Survive: "There's no more Yankees and Rebels this time, just one united people that stand behind America, can survive." I agree with that sentiment.
4 posted on 05/20/2002 9:26:57 PM PDT by roachie
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To: Pokey78
Great post.
I've only been to NYC once in my adult life. Parked at the Port Authority, rode downtown to an old pub. (6th Street?.....McSorely's?) and found the people to be warm and friendly.

The author is right.
Its the "TV" New York we don't like.
The real one's OK.

5 posted on 05/20/2002 9:28:30 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Pokey78
Very good. It has never ceased to amaze me how so many lower middle class Italian and Irish-Americans in the New York area look down on southerner and think "all of youse tawk stoopid."

Let's also not forget that the south is ahead of much of the north on racial issues. I have never been to a place as segregated as the Long Island of my youth.

6 posted on 05/20/2002 9:31:10 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: eddie willers; floriduh voter
I was born & raised in NYC....to a working class northern Republican 'red neck' family....and I have lived in Texas, California, MA & now FL....I love being a Southerner by choice!

UNITED WE STAND! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

7 posted on 05/20/2002 9:47:42 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: Clemenza
I have never been to a place as segregated as the Long Island of my youth.

Funny, you and I traveled different directions - I grew up in the south and went north, you the other way. I wish I could remember who said it, but someone once said that white Southerners hated black folks as a race, but liked them all as individuals, whereas white Northerners liked black folks as a race, but hated them all individually ;)

8 posted on 05/20/2002 9:51:22 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Pokey78
I wonder whether Reed recognizes that he's staked way too much on the North-South distinction. Pretty much everything that he's said about New York and the South could be said about New York and Wisconsin, New York and Nebraska, or New York and Montana.

If you want to be a cosmopolitan you have to find a cosmopolis to identify with. If you want to be a provincial you have to identify with your province. But it's "provinciality" itself that's important, not the particular region or locality. It's not as though rural North Carolina, rural Ohio or rural Louisiana and rural Oregon are at daggers drawn. Or as thought there is some uniquely Southern or Western essence that distinguishes them from other country people. I don't use "provinciality" in a bad sense either. There's much of value in provincialism.

Probably, the broader point about 9/11 isn't just that a Carolinian might feel something in common with New Yorkers of the outer boroughs. I doubt this is something new for Reed. If it is, I'd worry about him and ignore his article. The broader point is that American provincials and cosmopolitans are finding that they may have things of value in common across the cultural divide. It won't last, but it is something to bear in mind.

9 posted on 05/20/2002 9:51:24 PM PDT by x
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To: x
It won't last, but it is something to bear in mind.

In a deep sense, it will always last. What will finally go away is the wonder we discovered when we remembered how much we love each other as Americans. Let's face it, we are all naturally competitive. We break up into sides on just about everything from big things like national politics right on down to small things like inter-school rivalries. It's a part of us.

Whether it's an earthquake in California or a flood in Baton Rouge for a brief moment in time we let down our tough guy stance and rush to the aid of our countrymen. We're like a big Italian family, always fighting and bickering, but GOD HELP anyone from outside who even attempts to hurt "one of us".

Face it, we just love to fight. We're Americans.

11 posted on 05/20/2002 10:19:54 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Mortin Sult
Southerners do well to carry concern for the fiscal health of New York. It's been paying the south's way for two centuries now, going into the thir

Look friend fight the civil war someplace else. That is unless you have some oil under Manhattan you have been hiding for a rainy day.

12 posted on 05/20/2002 10:22:39 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Pokey78
A (Southern) FReeper (don't recall who) put it rather perfectly shortly after 9/11: "They may be Yankees, but they're our Yankees."
I loved that.

13 posted on 05/20/2002 10:24:51 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: Mortin Sult
That was a pretty dopey thing to write, especially on a thread about Americans coming together in a time of trouble and learning to appreciate our little regional quirks.

As a proud Brooklyn resident I totally repudiate that comment of yours and I'm very grateful for the support my city has received.

14 posted on 05/20/2002 10:31:10 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: RichardsSweetRose; Yehuda; NYC GOP Chick; firebrand; KLT
Ping
16 posted on 05/20/2002 10:39:39 PM PDT by Liberty Belle
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To: eddie willers
I haven't been as an adult but know people who have. They say one thing about New York - "a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there." Someday, I'm going to New York...
17 posted on 05/20/2002 11:15:58 PM PDT by dixie sass
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To: Mortin Sult
New York is a great city, due in no small part to periodic bailouts by the taxpayers of flyover country.

I say it's worth it.

18 posted on 05/20/2002 11:30:40 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Liberty Belle;brooklyngop;nativenewyorker
Ping for a love song from the South!

Bonus: (One of the few pleasures of the 1992 Democratic convention for this Southerner was watching the expression on Mario Cuomo's face every time he said the word "Arkansas.")

LOL!!!!

19 posted on 05/20/2002 11:34:41 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: dixie sass;eddie willers
The NY FR welcome mat is out!
20 posted on 05/20/2002 11:36:10 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
Why thank you, Yehuda. The same for South Carolina! Y'all come, ya heah!!!!!!!!
21 posted on 05/20/2002 11:42:02 PM PDT by dixie sass
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To: newwahoo
Bump from an Irishman in Brooklyn (by way of the Midwest.)
22 posted on 05/21/2002 12:55:59 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Pokey78
A great piece of writing.
23 posted on 05/21/2002 1:03:16 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: JulieRNR21;summer;bobthenailer;68-69tonkingulfyatchclub;pegita;homeschoolmama;areafiftyone...
Well, rnr, my dad was born in New York, my mom was born in South Dakota as were my older brother and I, and my younger brother was born in California. We've lived in SD, CA and Florida. I recall the California I used to know, pray for the South Dakota we have now, who are poorly represented in our government, and in my state of Florida, I love my home and town.

Thank all of you for your renewed commitment to our great country. God Bless America!

24 posted on 05/22/2002 6:55:00 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
My great grandparents came over thru Ellis Island and we have been New Yorkers since the late 1800's. My great grandfather was a fire chief in Brooklyn. I love New York and will always. New Yorkers are tough on the outside but in the inside have a big heart. I have never been more prouder of being a New Yorker than ever before. Don't get me wrong I love Southerners. I spend alot of my vacations down south. My relatives live in South Carolina and also Texas so I get the best of both worlds.
25 posted on 05/22/2002 8:23:36 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: austinTparty
Austinites, for some reason, don't have as bad a case of what the Australians call "cultural cringe": On the rare occasions when they think of New Yorkers at all, they're likely to feel sorry for them because they're not Texans.

Umm... You do realize that Austin is the ONE place in Texas that CAN'T rag on NYC, don't you??

26 posted on 05/22/2002 8:30:44 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: floriduh voter
Nice article about New York- enjoy the comparisons to the South.
27 posted on 05/22/2002 9:21:15 AM PDT by mafree
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To: juliernr21
I didn't mean to call you mr. I think that was a typo. It's a good thing I don't work in D.C. near the red phone. lol
28 posted on 05/22/2002 5:27:46 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
No problem with calling me mr.....I guessed your meant to say... rnr

BTW my ancestors came over from County Cork...Skibberin to survive during the potato famine.

29 posted on 05/22/2002 7:52:55 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
Julie, The potato famine. How did that start in the first place? I'm a modern day big potato eater. Did the dirt just give out? If you have any forefathers who have an interesting history, please freepmail me.
30 posted on 05/23/2002 7:50:38 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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