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Until you laugh at plastic fish, Bush will be a mystery
Times (UK) ^ | May 25, 2002 | Ben MacIntyre

Posted on 05/24/2002 5:50:24 PM PDT by Clive

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To: Clive
you must believe that Norman Rockwell was a great artist...

One of America's greatest, in my opinion.

61 posted on 05/24/2002 9:29:39 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Anamensis
I enjoyed that riff!
62 posted on 05/24/2002 9:37:41 PM PDT by avenir
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To: Mr. Jeeves
You know, speaking as a native, this descripton applies almost perfectly to San Francisco, too.

35 posted on 5/24/02 7:04 PM Pacific by Mr. Jeeves

The day I have a problem with women wearing high heels, I'll pack it in. Certainly anything beats seeing women on their lunch hour in D.C. or NYC wearing ugly Adidas trainers over their nylons.
63 posted on 05/24/2002 10:01:53 PM PDT by al-andalus
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To: Clive
Just a few points I haven't seen added yet:

1. The "sophisticated" French, who have senses of humor far more delicate and cosmopolitan than Americans, gave their highest national arts medal to Jerry Lewis.

2. When the Big Mouth Billy Bass first was marketed, either Al Gore gave one to Clinton or vice verse. I can't remember which, but I do remember hearing that noted spiritually-European genius Bill Clinton proclaim it "hilarious."

3. I'm a Texan with a Magna Cum Laude degree, I think Norman Rockwell was a great artist and Picasso was wildly overrated, and I'll take a president who tells the truth simply to one who lies dramatically any day of the week. I think anyone with a brain would agree with that, which is why the Euro-elites disagree so strongly.

64 posted on 05/24/2002 11:23:18 PM PDT by HHFi
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To: Teacher317
Don't feel bad,...you weren't the only ones. And it isn't totally your fault!!! I blame the media for knowing people WORKED all day, came home and relied on the news to give them the truth. That's how it used to be in my days growing up. For the better part anyway. Now they just brainswash us. But *I don't feel it's too late yet to correct all the things that unraveled under Clinton, it will take some time to reverese, and we are being told that by this very able administration. I think this mess will be with us a while in order to get it cleaned up, to undo 8 years of negligence!!) I believe wholeheartedly that American people have awakened to "reality" at last. To what the previous administration did to us. (I sure hope they have,.. or we are in deep deep trouble)I have to hold on to the hope they finally GET IT!!! Bush and his administration are our only HOPE right now. I firmly believe that.

Such is the beast of human nature that we will never agree 100 percent with ANY President, but 98 is better than a glass half empty!! My cup runneth over....

20 minutes (ABC)ran a piece on 6 kids who were mistreated in a Florida Foster home tonight. Then I switched the channel to Arin Green (or whatever his name is on CNN) and he had to make some wise crack remark about the littl girl Rilya, whose case was grossly mishandled. He said "I should even say this... but it makes you want to scream". Gee.... think everyone is sweating bullets about A certain Bush winning the FLORIDA Governorship again!!! nahhhhhhh </sarcasm

65 posted on 05/25/2002 1:46:03 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Polybius
The "Queen and a plastic fish mounted on a plaque"? Must have been a big plaque to have room for both. Thanks for the information. I knew I'd heard about the British fascination with the plastic fish but I didn't have the details you provided. Rather ironic isn't it? The Brits complaining about Bush and these fish while the Queen sings a duet with one.
66 posted on 05/25/2002 3:32:37 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: HHFi
2. When the Big Mouth Billy Bass first was marketed, either Al Gore gave one to Clinton or vice verse. I can't remember which, but I do remember hearing that noted spiritually-European genius Bill Clinton proclaim it "hilarious."

And, mon ami, the French bought 300,000 of them at 299 Francs each. Link

Billy black-bass est un poisson de rivière proche de la perche. C'est le "big mouth" par excellence........Au prix public conseillé de 299 f, l'effet est garanti. Signe particulier : devient rapidement insupportable....... Sur des extraits de "Don't worry, be happy" de Bobby Mc Ferrin ou du plus légitime "Take me to the river" ......... Bilan: 1 million d'exemplaires vendus, 300 000 en France + 100 000 contrefaçons, même Bill Clinton en a un offert un à Al gore.

68 posted on 05/25/2002 7:33:30 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Paul Atreides
Clinton was nothing but pure, Grade-A, white trash! Reagan, Bush, and Bush were pure class. Nothing Europeans, American liberals, and the Clintons would know one whit about.

White trash with a thin veneer of "Rhodes Scholar" education. Americans recognized him for what he was; Europeans at least have the excuse that they can't be expected to recognize white trash when they see it. American Clinton supporters have no such excuse.

69 posted on 05/25/2002 8:43:18 AM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: rdb3
I thought he said "jelly doughnut." Oh, well.

He did. Berliner=jelly doughnut, just as Hamburger=hamburger and Frankfurter=frankfurter.

71 posted on 05/25/2002 8:47:56 AM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: piasa
Call me a blunt Midwestern redneck if you will... but what do Parisians have against speaking the truth ?

The ancient Persians were said to teach their children "to ride, to shoot, and to speak the truth". This was once true of Parisians as well, but probably not since long before the French Revolution; probably not since before Louis XIV and the Englightenment. Since then (as in many other places) speaking the truth has become rather passe.

72 posted on 05/25/2002 8:52:33 AM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: alithia
It was "Ich bin ein Berliner!" to be exact. What he meant to say was that he was a Berliner in spirit. What he said was, I am a Jelly Donut. As a Berliner, was a Jelly or creme filled donut. Funny, Yes. At the time, I'm sure there were plenty of Germans who laughed, however, they all got the message of what he meant. This new European Union doesn't get it because they are a bunch of retrograde, slackjawed troglodytes who should have been killed off in the holocaust when Hitler was in power. If Hitler were alive today, Heads would roll, as a President like Bush, Unlike that socialist FDR, would be taken at his word. If we would have had an AMERICAN PRESIDENT like Bush in 1937, you can believe our involvement in WW2 would have come sooner, and our success much more swift. The reason being is FDR let a tragedy happen to our base in Hawaii, and Bush would have saw fit to engage the enemy before it ever reached our shores.

This is why I'm happy that George Bush is in office now, as he is very relevant, and was sorely needed 9 years ago when the dirtbag Clinton was in office trashing our country, and destroying our military and intelligence. Now that we are relevant, nobody takes us seriously, as Clinton has been the example of the last 8 years. For that, Clinton should go into exile back to his Mother Russia. Of Course Putin probably wouldn't let that fly either, as I'm sure that Putin is the same kind of man that Bush is, and tolerates NOTHING in the way of Bull-S--t.

I would hope that our president shows the very best of America to the Europeans, and lets them know that when American interests are at stake, we will not hesitate to address our problems with the correct solution, a swift solution, and carried out with the force necessary to get the job done.

Our president has some issues here at home I'd like to see him address, but for the most part, he's the best thing that's happened to our nation since Ronald Reagan.

73 posted on 05/25/2002 11:20:20 AM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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To: Clive
The Europeans love the Sink Emperor because he too believed that politicians were bigger than the people who voted for them. So sophisticated was the Arkansas white trash grifters? Unbelievable.

These imperial Eurotrash twits still yearn for dictatorships and monarchies.

America freed itself from tyranny in a bloody war.

And left the Eurotwits to rot.

Truly, thank God for Bush.

74 posted on 05/25/2002 11:38:28 AM PDT by Stallone
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To: Clive; Miss Marple; Howlin; OhioWfan; Wphile; Brad's Gramma
Hummm... let's make a comparison:

Reporter: You say you wanted Osama Bin Laden. Would it matter if he were arrested and brought to justice, or killed in combat?

Clinton: Well, that depends. You see, there isn't a better justice system in the world than that of the United States and as such, I feel that Bin Laden would get the fairest trial possible within our court system. As for combat, I don't want our brave men and women becoming assassins and take justice into their own hands. They are, after all, mostly young adults. And who would want a growing, maturing young adult to have murder on their conscience? That is too much to ask. So, it would be in the best interest of the United States, the United States armed forces, and the rest of the world that Bin Laden be captured in a civilized manner and given a fair trial in the US courts.

Bush: Dead or alive. Doesn't matter.

You see, the problem is that leftist Europeans want to be lulled to sleep with beautiful words and twisted meanings. They want an American president who will whisper eloquent words of empty promises and poetic rhyme. And they got that for eight years with Bill Clinton.

But along comes something different. Something Texan. And something they will never understand. Bush is the essence of America, the essence of every American- and that is why they simply can't figure him out- because he is normal. He is the guy-next-door. He is all-American.

75 posted on 05/25/2002 12:01:37 PM PDT by rintense
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To: rintense
I couldn't agree with you more. Thanks for that post!!!!
76 posted on 05/25/2002 12:08:44 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Clive
The Times UK can shove it where the sun doesn't shine. No amount of fancy smancy silly parsible word speak EVER replaces direct, honest, to the heart of it 'speak'. I don't buy the nutcase who wrote this article's viewpoint for one second. And I thought your opening comment was superb! Just imagine what might have been avoided throughout the course of history if leaders had spoken plainly and with great passion and honesty.

IF the Europeans really can't handle this (and I don't buy that supposition) then they need to grow up and learn to access a leader on the content of his speech rather than the ridiculous assumption that fancy words that reek of ambiguity are what counts.

77 posted on 05/25/2002 12:09:08 PM PDT by Republic
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To: Clive
There is one thing that needs to be said in response to silly cartoonish stereotypical articles like this which pretend to speak for "Europeans": What they are really talking about is the socialist European elite.

The constant characterization of "European opinion", as if it is some monolithic pro-socialist pro-internationalist anti-"simplism" bloc has got to stop.

78 posted on 05/25/2002 12:33:40 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Clive
Oh gosh! Where to start? .....

1. During Bush's speech to the Bundestag he mentioned JFK's famous jelly doughnut remark and there was silence. He quoted Ronald Reagan ..... "Mr. Gorbachev! Tear down this wall!" .... and there was perhaps the most enthusiastic applause of the event. Sounded to me like the Germans appreciated Reagan far more than JFK ..... Reagan accomplished something ..... JFK said pretty words.

2. West Berliners recall Bill Clinton’s visit in 1998, when he told them “because a few stood up for freedom, now and forever, Berlin bleibt doch Berlin (Berlin is still Berlin),” almost as emotionally as they remember John F. Kennedy’s 1963 speech from the balcony of Schoneberg town hall.

Ah, but remember that x42 doesn't know the meaning of the word "is." Also, see #1.

3. "If the first half of his presidency had been more placid ..."

Correction: if the first half of his first term of office ......

4. "Clinton was spiritually part European ..."

There is absolutely nothing, not one tiny little shred or speck, about x42 that is spiritual.

5. "Clinton was the foreign tourist par excellence, with a chameleon knack for taking on the colour of his surroundings."

Oh yes, he did all that foreign tourist bit, taking hundreds and hundreds of people with him, on our dime and out of our military budget ..... and most of his trips were about him, not about improving relations with other countries or putting together a coalition to fight the Evil Ones ..... they were not about "doing the business of the American people."

And not taking a stand on anything until you see which way the wind is blowing is a weakness, not a strength.

6. This writer doesn't have a clue ....... he praises shallowness because he is shallow.

79 posted on 05/25/2002 12:35:43 PM PDT by kayak
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