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The Great Attractor: Immigration and limiting it.
National Review Online ^ | May 28, 2002 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 05/28/2002 7:59:27 AM PDT by xsysmgr

Our Sun is one of a hundred billion or so stars making up the Milky Way galaxy. This galaxy, in turn, is one of 30 or so making up what is called "the Local Group" of galaxies; and the Local Group is merely an outlying member of a much bigger conglomeration named the "Virgo Supercluster," composed of thousands of galaxies. Around 20 years ago astronomers discovered that this entire assemblage, in all its unimaginable vastness, was being pulled through space at around 1.3 million miles per hour in the direction of some object 200 million light years away in the southern-hemisphere constellation Hydra.

Astronomers thereupon dubbed that object "the Great Attractor." Its precise nature is the topic of some debate. It can't be well seen because of obscuring interstellar dust in our line of sight. What can be detected non-optically doesn't seem massive enough to exert the stupendous gravitational pull required. There is some talk of "dark matter" making up the difference, but this creepy-sounding substance seems to be controversial. When I recently got an e-mail from a reader who is actually a professor of astronomy, I asked him: "Where is this 'dark matter' your colleagues talk about so much?" He replied: "Inside their heads, mostly..."

Meanwhile, down here in the sublunary sphere, there is a different sort of Great Attractor: the United States of America. Everybody wants to come to America — had you noticed? And even people who do not actually want to live here are making sure their children have the right to do so. A story in the Los Angeles Times on Saturday revealed that every year around 5,000 South Korean women come to the U.S. on tourist visas simply and deliberately for the purpose of giving birth to a child here. That child is then, under the current (and, as a matter of fact, highly debatable) interpretation of the 14th Amendment, a U.S. citizen.

There are many reasons why South Koreans want to do this. They want their kids to come to school in the States, to spare them the oppressive and intensive Korean educational system. They want their sons, when older, to evade that nation's compulsory military service. They fear another war with the North. And they want the child to be an "anchor baby" — that is, they want the child, when old enough (21 under current U.S. law), to sponsor them and their relatives for immigration.

These South Korean "obstetric tourists" are merely the tip of an iceberg. Hong Kong and Taiwanese women do the same thing; and you may be sure that mainland China will not be far behind the trend. (When Deng Xiaoping visited the U.S. in 1979, Jimmy Carter urged him to permit free emigration from communist China. Deng smiled sweetly back at the president and said: "How many of our people would you like? Twenty million? A hundred million?") And, of course, there is no need to go to the trouble of doing it all openly: Thousands of babies are born every year to illegal immigrants. Every one of them is a U.S. citizen.

Americans pay little attention to their country's immigration laws and policies. Immigration-law reform does not figure highly on those lists of "major concerns" that Americans register when polled — far behind favorites like "education," "affordable health care," "crime," and so on. Most Americans, if you asked them a question about U.S. immigration law, would give you a wrong answer. Since acquiring my own citizenship last month, I have grown weary of people who, after congratulating me, add: "Now you'll have to pay U.S. taxes! See how you like it!" (As a U.S. resident, first on an "H" visa, then on a Green Card, I have been paying U.S. federal, state, and local income taxes, and F.I.C.A., since 1985, as the law requires.)

Meanwhile, out in the rest of the world, U.S. immigration law is studied with great intensity by hundreds of millions of people. Do you know the difference between a "J" visa and an "L" visa? My mainland-Chinese relatives all do, even the teenagers. (Especially the teenagers.) In Bombay, Beijing, Bangkok, Buenos Aires, and other cities all over the world, there are small industries, employing tens of thousands of people, whose sole product is advice on gaming the U.S. immigration system. These people know U.S. immigration law and practice far better than ordinary Americans do — far better, probably, than most INS or U.S.-consular staff. They know other stuff, too: like, for example, which U.S. officials can be bribed. These things are their lifetime's study, their obsession, and their daily bread.

(Right here, in the middle of writing this piece, I took the Sunday-afternoon phonecall from my brother in England. In among the talk about family affairs, house prices, and summer-vacation plans, my sister-in-law suddenly dropped this: "Oh, by the way, our next-door neighbor wanted me to ask you about getting a U.S. working visa. How long does it take, normally?....")

The status of this country as the Great Attractor is a new thing in the world. There have of course been "top dog" nations before, but none of them had this particular worry. During its 500 years of existence, the Roman Empire had plenty of troubles on its borders, but until the very last years those troubles were more a question of raiding parties intent on a quick spell of plunder, followed by a return to their own forests and deserts, than of people wanting to settle. For most of the empire's existence, there were no large numbers of Persians, Germans, Scots, or Scythians trying to sneak in to enjoy the peaceful benefits of citizenship. Likewise in the high summer of the British Empire, there were not thousands of Indians, Egyptians, and Africans storming across the English Channel to savor the delights of living in Queen Victoria's damp, smoky little island.

Nowadays we have modern communications that bring images of our standard of living into the hut of every Mongolian yak-herder and Indonesian rice farmer, and we have modern means of transportation to melt away the distances involved. We have other things, too: the swelling populations and shrinking resources of the Third World, the corruption and insecurity in nations where modernization was applied as a coat of bright paint on corroded metal and rotten wood, the failure of utopian socialism and of all the high hopes of post-colonial independence. Over large parts of the world's surface, life simply isn't worth living, and people have lost all faith in the ability of their own countrymen to govern them fairly and let them enjoy freedom. They peer across the oceans hungrily in search of something better.

People everywhere, even the most illiterate subsistence farmers, have a clear idea in their minds of the desirability of different countries. Most desirable is America. Slightly below that is the rest of the Anglosphere — Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the U.K. Some way behind come Japan and the west European countries, where life is tolerably good, though without the freewheeling liberties of the Anglosphere. And behind that comes... everywhere else: the loser nations, like Egypt, Nigeria, Brazil, Bangladesh, with their corruption and injustice, their gross inequalities and stifling bureaucracies, their crony capitalism, and environmental degradation.

Americans simply have not adjusted to this new state of affairs. Most certainly the U.S. Congress has not. Years go by with no significant immigration reform. Did I say "years"? Decades have in fact gone by: The immigration regime of today is in all essentials (there has been some tinkering at the margins) the one established by the 1965 Act. No serious reform seems to be contemplated. If you try to get an immigration conversation going among educated Americans, set a stopwatch as you start. Before two minutes have elapsed, someone will have called you a "racist."

There are, I believe, some noble impulses underlying American indifference to these issues. The core value of American culture is liberty — the freedom to do as I please, without interference from the authorities (unless, of course, what I please is obviously anti-social). Well, among the liberties we cherish, is not liberty of movement one? If it pleases a person to leave his country and come to America to improve his life, should we not applaud and encourage that? You hear this kind of thing all the time, usually spoken quite sincerely, from immigration enthusiasts. Has our nation not been improved by hard-working immigrants throughout her history?

Well, yes, she largely has. The world changes, however, and sometimes the mere passage of time turns things into their opposites. A hundred years ago the right to immigrate into this country could plausibly be seen as allied in spirit to the liberties cherished within the country. Today the two things are no longer in alliance — they are now in fact antithetical. That is to say, if we want to preserve the liberties we enjoy inside the U.S.A., we should severely curtail the liberty of people from outside to cross our borders; and the better we do the second thing, the more we shall be assured of the first.

There is now, as there has never been before, a plain trade-off between restricting the immigration rights of foreigners and reducing the liberties of citizens. A new, stricter interpretation of the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause, or INS surveillance of maternity wards? An end to "family reunification" chain immigration, or swelling welfare dependency paid for with oppressive taxation? A bar on any immigration from certain unfriendly nations, or more intrusive and cumbersome security procedures at airports, malls, national parks? An overall reduction in all immigration, or further assaults on the lives and property of citizens by rogue aliens because an overburdened INS cannot do the necessary checking? Tight border controls are no longer an insult to our national spirit of liberty; they are the guarantor of it.

It is not a shameful or disreputable thing to wish for your government to control the nation's borders. This country probably needs some immigrants; she may even need some unskilled immigrants. But how many? From where? Speaking what languages? Practicing what religions? Owing what allegiances? It is nice that Mexican peasants are willing to cut our lawns and trim our hedges for low wages; but might there not be Latvians, or Ghanaians, or Greeks, or Sri Lankans, who are just as willing? Would Americans at large prefer more of those, and fewer Mexicans? Or would Americans at large perhaps prefer that our own teenagers do the work, as I am told they once did? We don't know, because nobody dares to ask these questions for fear of being called a "racist."

One day our galaxy, along with the several thousand others in our supercluster, will arrive at the Great Attractor with, presumably, an almighty WHOOOMPH! Fortunately that day is several billion years in the future. Down here in this other Great Attractor we have considerably less time to sort out a rational immigration policy. Perhaps we should at least start talking about it.

Mr. Derbyshire is also an NR contributing editor


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 05/28/2002 7:59:27 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: xsysmgr
--we are barely talking about it except for a few brave souls like Tom Tancredo and it's already too late--
2 posted on 05/28/2002 8:13:34 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: Tancredo Fan
ping
3 posted on 05/28/2002 8:39:23 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: FreedomFriend
ping
4 posted on 05/28/2002 9:35:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: xsysmgr
with the current policies: CALIFORNIA's population became less than 50% white 18 mos ago-are illegals good for the U.S.?
5 posted on 05/28/2002 10:35:20 AM PDT by 1234
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To: *Immigrant_list
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6 posted on 05/28/2002 10:39:30 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: xsysmgr
Tight border controls are no longer an insult to our national spirit of liberty; they are the guarantor of it.

Worth repeating.

Again and again 'till the open borders multi-culti ninnies get it thru their thick skulls.

7 posted on 05/28/2002 10:51:27 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Sabertooth
ping.
8 posted on 05/28/2002 11:06:59 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: xsysmgr
spot on bump.
9 posted on 05/28/2002 12:26:43 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: xsysmgr; AshleyMontagu
There is now, as there has never been before, a plain trade-off between restricting the immigration rights of foreigners and reducing the liberties of citizens. A new, stricter interpretation of the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause, or INS surveillance of maternity wards? An end to "family reunification" chain immigration, or swelling welfare dependency paid for with oppressive taxation? A bar on any immigration from certain unfriendly nations, or more intrusive and cumbersome security procedures at airports, malls, national parks? An overall reduction in all immigration, or further assaults on the lives and property of citizens by rogue aliens because an overburdened INS cannot do the necessary checking? Tight border controls are no longer an insult to our national spirit of liberty; they are the guarantor of it.

This is something that many ordinary Americans have thought about for a long time, but it never gets discussed by the elites in our country. Congratulations to John Derbyshire for saying it in plain english at a web site where many influential people will see it.

10 posted on 05/28/2002 4:53:13 PM PDT by Korth
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To: xsysmgr; rellimpank; Marine Inspector; gubamyster; 1234; Free the USA; skeeter; Shermy
This is an outstanding article and it deserves to be widely "pinged", so if any of you can think of someone to notify, you should do so ASAP.
11 posted on 05/28/2002 4:59:25 PM PDT by Korth
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To: Joe Hadenuf; Pokey78; ex-Texan; Dittohead_2; LaBelleDameSansMerci; FITZ; WRhine
Ping
12 posted on 05/28/2002 5:11:01 PM PDT by Korth
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To: Korth
An expansion of part of this article is: How Have Terrorists Entered the U.S.?
13 posted on 05/28/2002 5:30:02 PM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: doughty one
Interesting read.
14 posted on 05/29/2002 6:38:05 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Korth;madfly
bttt
15 posted on 05/29/2002 7:37:09 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: seamole; Fish out of Water;Sauropod,blackie;Jeff Head;E.G.C.; DLfromthedesert; Eustace...
ping
16 posted on 05/29/2002 8:19:32 AM PDT by madfly
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To: Korth
Yes, this titanic invasion and mass immigration is good for us. We need to be good, compassionate conservatives. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood......AI am off to the, "its a wonderful day in the life of our President" thread. Bye bye everyone!!!
17 posted on 05/29/2002 8:27:39 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I am off to the, "its a wonderful day in the life of our President" thread. Bye bye everyone!!!

Let me know when you get back from La-La land. Have a happy day in the 'hood.

18 posted on 05/29/2002 8:43:55 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: skeeter
Thanks Skeeter. Yes it was a great read. I've bookmarked it.

As for racism, it doesn't seem to be a problem at all that within the next 30-40 years there will be not one single nation on this planet that will have a white majority populace.

When all the rights of this world's races are treated with reverence but one, it's time to wake up and smell the tea leaves.

19 posted on 05/29/2002 8:54:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: madfly
BTTT!!!!!!
20 posted on 05/29/2002 9:16:58 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: xsysmgr
BTTT
21 posted on 05/29/2002 9:21:50 AM PDT by citizen
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To: xsysmgr; madfly
Thanks for the 'Ping', Madfly.

Great post, xsysmgr. I wish all Americans, that were born here, had 1% of this new American's understanding of the dilemma our country faces.

That goes double for our RINO President and that gullible libertarian, Ziglar, that's in charge of the INS.

22 posted on 05/29/2002 10:05:18 AM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
Very insightful article. Common sense. I wish the Bush Administration would pay attention. They know what's happening, but unfortunately their agenda regarding immigration is opposite of what most Americans want.
23 posted on 05/29/2002 10:27:45 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: DoughtyOne
As for racism, it doesn't seem to be a problem at all that within the next 30-40 years there will be not one single nation on this planet that will have a white majority populace.

I OFTEN wonder why it is deemed OK to endeavor to shift the ethnic balance in one direction but not another.

Or even to suggest maintaining it in place.

24 posted on 05/29/2002 12:06:49 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: xsysmgr
bttt
25 posted on 05/29/2002 1:35:53 PM PDT by citizen
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To: xsysmgr
Ho hum...These are the same arguments that were being made a hundred years ago as America was flooded by the "swarthy" Southern Europeans who practiced strange forms of Christianity and spoke stranger languages and ate even stranger foods, while flooding the factories with cheap labor infuriating the unionists...etc.

Derbyshire usually has some interesting points to share but this article is...well... so repetitive and simplistic. Immigration should not be about race but Derbyshire pretty much wants a free pass on race whe it comes to who gets in to America. Strange isn't it that not one word is mentioned about security! And yet immigration policy should be about security. That means that NO ideological Muslims need apply! And that means that those seeking refuge from oppressive nations - mostly Muslim but still a few Communist ones namely Cuba - should be welcomed here. I have personally dealt with thousands of immigrants and they are generally more patriotic than native born Americans - all except for the recent (last ten years or so) of Muslims from wherever.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 1:58:12 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: Korth
Do you know much about the Canadian border; how easy do you think it will be to control/patrol it?

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

27 posted on 05/29/2002 2:47:53 PM PDT by blackie
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To: eleni121
That means that NO ideological Muslims need apply!

How would you tell the difference between the ideological muslims and the non-ideological muslims?

28 posted on 05/29/2002 4:33:31 PM PDT by Korth
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To: Korth
How would you tell the difference between the ideological muslims and the non-ideological muslims?

Simply put with an interview with the right questions asked by a competent, knowledgable (hard to find) immigration officer and accurate background information. Within 24 hours I can usually discern what a Muslim believes about Americans and about the west in general. I am not convinced (yet) that all muslims are committed to the destruction of the west. There are plenty of them that are persecuted by their own - Kurds, Sudanese Black muslims, Shiias from iraq, etc. These I see as potential converts to Christianity.

29 posted on 05/29/2002 5:03:07 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: 1234
with the current policies: CALIFORNIA's population became less than 50% white 18 mos ago-are illegals good for the U.S.?

I'm a native Californian of German-Irish heritage. My daughter is half Philippino, and therefore only 50% Caucasian herself. Race has nothing to do with this.

It's about the Law, the Language, and the Culture... Illegals must go.




30 posted on 05/29/2002 5:13:26 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: xsysmgr; Victoria Delsoul; Pelham; Travis McGee; Joe Hadenuf; sarcasm; harpseal; RonDog...
(((ping))))


31 posted on 05/29/2002 5:14:30 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: janetgreen
I suppose it's because most Americans can't give the Bush family a huge, lucrative oil contract in Mexico.
32 posted on 05/29/2002 5:44:17 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: Sabertooth
Everybody wants to come to America — had you noticed? And even people who do not actually want to live here are making sure their children have the right to do so.

I think eliminating the provision that a child born in this country is automatically a citizen would be at least a small step in curtailing illegal immigration.

33 posted on 05/29/2002 5:54:35 PM PDT by scholar
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To: eleni121
I would agree with you if we had the same welfare policies we did 100 years ago, not to mention the way affirmative action policies are being practiced.

Also, the Bush Administration is fining businesses if they want their employees to speak English, and Little Tommy Thompson is reQUIRing hospitals provide prfessional translators. This is driving up health care costs.

My grandparents came here from Sicily; my parents speak perfect English (well, New Yorkese). English should be required for citizenship!!

34 posted on 05/29/2002 6:58:39 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: skeeter
BUMP that good buddy.
35 posted on 05/29/2002 7:52:13 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Sabertooth
BUMP your PING
36 posted on 05/29/2002 7:54:05 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: eleni121
Derbyshire usually has some interesting points to share but this article is...well... so repetitive and simplistic.

What I thought this writer was trying to say is immigration is one thing, but we're being swamped.

We currently take in a million a year legally. Is that enough, or would you like more? And what about the 10 million or so illegals? What would you do with them?

If Congress had enacted the Jordan Commission's recommendations in 1996, we probably wouldn't even be discussing this issue as much as we are today. It would have brought the legal numbers down to what they were in the eighties, about 500,000. And most importantly, it would have ended Ted Kennedy's disastrous family chain scam, along with tightening up illegal immigration laws. The legislation was killed by RINO's like Spencer Abraham. The "workhorse" considered it his best achievement while in the Senate. Thank God for this country the voters of Michigan thought otherwise. If he were still there, Bush would have already gotten his every demand for amnesties.

I'm not against immigration, I don't think most Americans are. But it needs to be done in moderation so we can assimiliate them. And it needs to be done legally.

37 posted on 05/29/2002 8:24:35 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Sabertooth
Your daughter must be exceedingly beautiful with that combination of genes.
38 posted on 05/29/2002 8:36:29 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Sabertooth;all
Better late than never bump.
Shoud we control illegal immigration(?) file that under N for no-brainer. First things first, if we don't get a handle on illegals then doing something about legal immigration is Pi$$ing in the wind.
My question is what do we do (particulaly about youe southern border)? for the most part all I've seen is let build the great wall of china from Brownsville to San Diego and put machinegun bunkers every 30 feet(Hint:NOT GONNA HAPPEN)
Ever notice that we don't have hoards of Canadians pouring across our northern border(never mind that the very idea of Canadian hoard is an oxymoron)? Could it be that it's because there are good paying jobs, freedom, rule of law there? It strikes me that what we (as a nation) should be doing is "encouraging" nations to the south to get their (expletive) act together or risk our "displeasure". It strikes me that the very ones coming across our border are the very ones these countries should be doing all in their power to keep at home, as they are (for the most part) people who want a better life for themselves and their children.

Example, not to long ago you couldn't swing a dead cat on the east coast without hitting an illegal Irish immigrant. Ireland lowered their tax rates and BANG the celtic tiger was born, and the drain of irish immigrating slowed to a trickle.

Now the drugloads and oligarchs running these countries mey not want to give up power, TOO BAD! It strikes me that there has to be any number of people in Mexico/Central america who want to improve their countries and bring "the blessings of liberty to us and our posterity" to their countries.

The point of this little rant is, why don't we try something that might actually work, what do we have to lose, money(we've got plenty of that, prestige(in mexico and central/south america, give me a break). Rich neighbors are good neighbors.

Sabertooth, Thanks for the oportunity to vent.

39 posted on 05/30/2002 7:00:26 AM PDT by Valin
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To: DLfromthedesert
English should be required for citizenship!!

It is insane otherwise.

40 posted on 05/30/2002 3:34:32 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I do not disagree with your sentiments concerning the high numbers of immigrants, especially illegal ones although that topic is complex. Derbyshire was saying that but he was also sneaking in some dense racialist drivel. I was mainly responding to that.
41 posted on 05/30/2002 3:54:11 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: xsysmgr
we have considerably less time to sort out a rational immigration policy. Perhaps we should at least start talking about it.

Yes, we certainly should. And the talk should be totally frank, without the politically correct absurdity that it is somehow wrong for people to prefer their own kith and kin to others. The Leftist denial of normal patterns of human identification has long since reached socially pathological levels. I can think of no rational basis for anyone to continue to defer to their absurd bias, against all past human experience, on this subject.

Let us discuss Immigration, and space, and the nature of settlement; and how different human stocks respond to situations that are important to Americans. Let us do so without rancour or hostility towards anyone but the Leftist demagogues and the dysrons who support them; but let us put a stop to the disintegration of the social order. (See Immigration & The America Future.)

William Flax

42 posted on 05/30/2002 4:09:47 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: xsysmgr;travelgirl;TheBattman;Budge
A very interesting article and analogy, particularly coming from a recently naturalized immigrant.
43 posted on 05/30/2002 5:51:28 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Korth
"How would you tell the difference between the ideological muslims and the non-ideological muslims?"

By how tightly the tablecoth is wrapped around their heads?

44 posted on 05/30/2002 5:56:39 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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45 posted on 05/30/2002 5:56:59 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: eleni121
"It is insane otherwise."

You insensitive racist pig. What about their human right to live better at our expense? < / sarcasm >

46 posted on 05/30/2002 6:05:30 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Ohioan
"The Leftist denial of normal patterns of human identification has long since reached socially pathological levels."

Very well put!

47 posted on 05/30/2002 6:07:31 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: DoughtyOne
Oh yes there will be! Some, anyway. Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, the Czech Republic, Slovokia, Serbia, and many others. And hopefully the peoples of those nations will have learned from our mistakes when the liberals over there in 2050 begin to babble about the "joys of diversity".
48 posted on 05/30/2002 8:07:11 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Phillip Augustus
Russia itself is under severe pressure from China. Evidently China is pulling the same thing on Russia that Mexico is on us. The Chinese are sneaking across the border in large numbers. Some are already talking about Russia becoming a much smaller state as it's estern territory morphs toward a Chinese populace.

As for the other nations you mentioned, for all the good it will do, they just as well be ignored.

49 posted on 05/30/2002 8:29:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Russia is indeed threatened by the Chinese encroachment, to say nothing of separatist movement in the Islamic parts of Southern Russia. What you may see is a contracted, but leaner and meaner, Russia in the relatively long-term future. I think the struggle of Russia will not be so much one of Third World immigration, but the revitalization of the spirit of the Russian peoples. The declining birthrate is certainly a negative; the budding re-spiritualization and return to its Christian roots is a positive.

The same can be said of the other Eastern nations of the Continent as well. Ultimately, I believe mass Third World immigration will be the downfall of the West; assuming Russia and Eastern Europe avoid that, I think they will compete with East Asian nations for global supremacy.

I would also add Spain, Portugal, Iceland, and, considering recent developments, possibly Denmark to my list as well.

50 posted on 05/30/2002 8:40:40 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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