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Delaware Readies Nation's Toughest Smoking Ban/BARF ALERT
HealthScoutNews ^ | 28 May 2002 | Dennis Thompson Jr.

Posted on 05/29/2002 7:09:39 AM PDT by SheLion

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To: Sloth
Smokers who insist on smoking around people who don't want them to do so are evil -- but the gov't has no business telling private restaurants whether or not they can allow smoking.

I don't go along with you calling smokers evil - however, I do understand your point.

So, would you agree to allowing businesses to make their own decisions - and post signs saying it a smoking or non-smoking establishment?

That way everyone entering would know just what they were walking into??

21 posted on 05/29/2002 7:51:04 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: lewislynn
What she really means is:

Thank you, oh Omniscient One for supplying a translation for those of us unable to read and understand the English language.

That's the typical way selfish, inconsiderate smokers dweebs like lewislynn show their strong support for unwitting property owners and their "rights".

Hypocrite!

22 posted on 05/29/2002 7:53:20 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Two comments:

  1. Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a "peeing section" in a public swimming pool.

  2. Banning smoking in bars and casinos is like banning fornication in a cathouse.

23 posted on 05/29/2002 7:53:46 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Sloth
Evil? You sucked up way too much goobermint and anti-smoker propaganda.

They may be inconsiderate, unthinking, unfeeling, self-centered clods, but not evil.

Maybe slothful?

24 posted on 05/29/2002 7:56:36 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Phantom Lord
There are no reservations in Delaware.

The Casinos are semi-private enterprises located at the 3 horserace tracks.

I say semi-private because technically gambling, except on site pari mutuel is illegal. The Casnos are not really casinos but "video lottery" establisments and thus under the control of the State Lottery Commission - the state gets 35% of the take.

25 posted on 05/29/2002 7:59:31 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
I don't go along with you calling smokers evil - however, I do understand your point.

I didn't call smokers evil. Smokers are merely dumb. I said that people who knowingly subject others to unwanted smoke are evil.

So, would you agree to allowing businesses to make their own decisions - and post signs saying it a smoking or non-smoking establishment?

Of course. Actually, I don't even like the word 'allowing' there since it implies that it's a privilege being generously granted by some authority (the state) instead of an inherent right as a property owner.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 8:00:58 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: Gabz
My question still stands though, why do the reservations need permission to open casinos? They are not subject to US law.
27 posted on 05/29/2002 8:05:23 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Sloth
I didn't call smokers evil. Smokers are merely dumb. I said that people who knowingly subject others to unwanted smoke are evil.

Calling smokers "dumb" is not exactly conducive to polite, rational discourse. I don't consider myself dumb, nor does anyone who knows me. I am an adult, I am aware of the risks inherent to many of the choices I have made in my life, and have made my choices accodingly.

Evil is a bit harsh - rude yes, inconsiderate, yes. Evil is pushing the issue a bit overboard.

Of course. Actually, I don't even like the word 'allowing' there since it implies that it's a privilege being generously granted by some authority (the state) instead of an inherent right as a property owner.

Of course, when it comes to this particular issue, you are among the minority in those who choose not to smoke and be vocal about their dislike of it.

According to the anti-smoker factions (I'm not saying you belong in that group) the only ones that have a right are those that choose to be smoke-free. Once the owner opens the doors he has no rights except those granted by the patrons, except if those patrons are smokers.

28 posted on 05/29/2002 8:10:41 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Phantom Lord
I'd like to know the answer also. We have a reservation in Maine, but they are going to the towns to open a casino.

The Mainers downstate don't want it, though.

29 posted on 05/29/2002 8:11:21 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: wattsmag2
...but I defend the right of anybody to participate in a legal activity.

Read it again...its not going to be legal anymore.

30 posted on 05/29/2002 8:13:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Phantom Lord
I have no idea - actually, I was unaware they needed permission from any where but their own tribal councils.

I'll be perfectly honest - laws relating to Reservations and tribes is not one of the areas I've really looked into.

I just know those who buy cigarettes from the reservations are not subjected to the excise taxes added on by the states and Feds.

31 posted on 05/29/2002 8:14:09 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
I too am in the dark as far as reservations and the what the deal is with their 'legal' relationship to the US. As you know, cigarettes are not taxed, either is gas. In fact, NO state or federal taxes are charged on anything at them. I also know that if a murder, robbery, or other crime is committed on the reservation the criminal is tried in a tribal court and not a US court, be they and indian or a US citizen.
32 posted on 05/29/2002 8:16:36 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: SheLion
Vote with your feet. Don't spend a dime in Delaware.
33 posted on 05/29/2002 8:30:13 AM PDT by jimt
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Vote with your feet. Don't spend a dime in Delaware

I agree. and I'm really planning on voting with my feet.

My house is on the market - I'm moving to another state.

34 posted on 05/29/2002 8:32:32 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: SheLion
OK, now that Delaware has beaten down smokers, what's next on the agenda?

Let's incorporate a sin tax for junk food since it's recently been made known that obesity is as high a risk for health problems as smoking.

Maybe restaurants and bars should add a surcharge to the bills of overweight people who come in, especially if they have thoses "all you can eat" buffet tables.

Oh, and let's apply a higher tax to activities such as bungee jumping, ATV riding, skiing, etc. because when devotees of these pasttimes get in accidents, they miss work and that adds to the cost of doing business, don't you know. Plus, if they are permanently disabled, then they can get SSI and that affects other taxpayers.

35 posted on 05/29/2002 8:42:33 AM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: SheLion
I just fired this off to HealthScout:

Dennis Thompson is being disingenuous with his use of statistics regarding SHS. If Thompson is a real reporter, he KNOWS that the EPA study classifying Second Hand Smoke as a Group A carcinogen has been vacated by a Federal Judge whose decision can be read in its entirety here: http://www.forces.org/evidence/epafraud/files/osteen.htm.

The American Cancer Society knows this also but has so far refused to remove the figures of the EPA study from their website even though a court has adjudicated them false.

Mr. Thompson also relies on the 1986 Surgeon General's Report on The Health Consequences of Involuntary Smoking which itself used the same unscientific methodology as the EPA and has since been discredited by the 1996 World Health Organizations SHS report, the largest study of its kind ever, which comes to the exact opposite conclusion

If a publication such as yours is striving for acceptance as an honest voice in the health care field, you should have the integrity to print the truth and not the half-baked claims of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation or people who simply don't like smoking.

Thank you,
metesky
Moosegrin Falls, Maine
(Real name and address deleted to protect the guilty.)

36 posted on 05/29/2002 8:43:29 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Wolfie
Then I defend the right of anyone to protest government regulation of a legal activity. hehheh
37 posted on 05/29/2002 8:51:17 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: metesky
That's an EXCELLENT letter, metesky!!!

Very nice! Thank you!!

38 posted on 05/29/2002 8:52:07 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
including bars, restaurants and casinos.

California already has banned smoking in these places. In fact some cities, such as Palo Alto, have ordinances banning smoking within 20 feet of the entrance to a business establishment.

39 posted on 05/29/2002 8:52:20 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: 3catsanadog
Maybe restaurants and bars should add a surcharge to the bills of overweight people who come in, especially if they have thoses "all you can eat" buffet tables.

There's a locally famous buffet place in Bangor that's known as "The Hungry Heifer". You've never seen so many large people move so fast.

40 posted on 05/29/2002 8:53:08 AM PDT by metesky
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