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Delaware Readies Nation's Toughest Smoking Ban/BARF ALERT
HealthScoutNews ^ | 28 May 2002 | Dennis Thompson Jr.

Posted on 05/29/2002 7:09:39 AM PDT by SheLion

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To: SheLion; Gabz
Thanks, but I have to admit that I copped part of it from Gabz.

;O)

41 posted on 05/29/2002 8:56:22 AM PDT by metesky
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To: metesky
Didn't Norm on "Cheers" go there?!?
42 posted on 05/29/2002 8:56:28 AM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: GSWarrior
In fact some cities, such as Palo Alto, have ordinances banning smoking within 20 feet of the entrance to a business establishment.

That will come next in Delaware. It was in the original proposal, but was amended out of it.

Unfortunately the new law also amends what the current law says. Under the current Clean Indoor air Act which was enacted in 93 or 94 - no municipality was permitted to do anything stronger than the state law. That prohibition has been eliminated.

I expect that within a week of this going into effect the anti-smokers will start on some of the municipalities. and my guess will be they will start in dover, the capitol and Wilmington, the largest city.

Those were the first and only cities to enact anything prior to the original state law.

43 posted on 05/29/2002 9:01:03 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: metesky; SheLion; MaxmcGarrity; Just another Joe
I think I can speak for several of the folks that post stuff about this issue here:

It's posted to be used to inform the uninformed!!!!!!

44 posted on 05/29/2002 9:03:02 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: GSWarrior
Research fails to justify smoking ban in restaurants

"Let the owners run their restaurants so long as they offer non-smoking areas and let the non-smoking customers and employees go someplace else if the restaurant does not meet their requirements. That drop in business would get the attention of the owners faster than government regulation.

Of greater significance are recent studies conducted by the U.S. Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee. One study involving 173 Knoxville area restaurant and tavern employees wearing air-sampling pumps indicated smoke content to be far below the level that is considered health-risking. A separate study involving 16 U.S. cities and 1,500 employees showed levels at even lower levels.

45 posted on 05/29/2002 9:04:32 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: metesky
Thanks, but I have to admit that I copped part of it from Gabz.

heh! And I copied YOURS for future use. Thank you!


46 posted on 05/29/2002 9:06:20 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Gabz
It's posted to be used to inform the uninformed!!!!!!

Go for it, Gabz! "THEY" say they met with no opposition to this ban. For crying out loud, what about all the letters WE wrote?

THEY are still going with the "1986 KOOP'S REPORT? BARF!

"The 1986 Surgeon General's Report on The Health Consequences of Involuntary Smoking declared that secondhand smoke causes disease, including lung cancer, in healthy nonsmokers.

This is WAY out of hand. 1986. ~shakes head

47 posted on 05/29/2002 9:11:26 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Gabz
Gabz, tell Gov. MINNER to just ban tobacco from the whole state! Tell her to just pull it from the shelves.

Why not? They don't WANT smokers, so BAN it!

I'd love to see a civil war start here. Just what we need in these terrible times. That's all these two bit Boards of Healths and City Councils have to worry about I guess. Second Hand Smoke!

Something funny going on behind closed doors, IMHO.

48 posted on 05/29/2002 9:14:39 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I had forgotten about the ORNL study - how I did that, is beyond me - but that's for the reminder.

I've noticed an interesting trend with several of the different thread relating to this issue - particularly for Delaware.

when one of the antis starts ranting that it is not a private property issue and I explain just how it really is - such as an owneer not being able to smoke on his own property. or someone like me who will be unable to smoke in my own home - they all disappear.

I wonder if it has something to do with not being able to admit when they are wrong???? nah - that's couldn't be it, could it now!!!!!!!

49 posted on 05/29/2002 9:14:54 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: SheLion
How is it possible for Delaware to regulate anything on an Indian reservation? Reservations are autonomous regions not beholden to the state.
50 posted on 05/29/2002 9:17:22 AM PDT by Junior
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To: SheLion
just havin fun, SheLion.
Quit my pack a day habit in March, 1986.
Smoke em if ya gott em.
51 posted on 05/29/2002 9:18:45 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Gabz
I love this statement made by our Spinner:

Most nonsmokers have no idea how far the demonization of smokers has gone, nor how much damage is being done by this "war" on one in four of our fellow citizens. And it is all based on manipulated science funded by special-interest groups well paid with money extorted from the smokers themselves. It's a sad and scary statement on what CAN happen in a free country when unelected zealots with an axe to grind in collusion with greedy pork-barrel politicians set their sights on one unpopular segment of society.

52 posted on 05/29/2002 9:18:46 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I don't like hanging around smoke either, but the solution (I think you will agree) is to frequent non-smoking restaurants or build your own restaurant and make it non-smoking.
53 posted on 05/29/2002 9:22:37 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SheLion
SL - of course they are going to say that - I seriously doubt our side was able to generate the 10,000 postcards that just the one group sent out. They're funded - we're just ordinary working folks. we don't have that kind of clout.
54 posted on 05/29/2002 9:22:42 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I am happy you quit, Eric. Good for you!

But I love to smoke. It's been my right and my choice for many a year. I don't drink. I am not an abuser. I am not fat. I do not do drugs. I have my Religious Beliefs. I vote. I never tread on other's and their beliefs.

All I do is smoke a legal commodity. And it's hell they are trying to make me pay. My state wants to ban tobacco. Yet, they cannot balance the budget without my cigarette taxes. They do not want me in restaurants anymore. So we go to bars/restaurants that have a smoking section.

I'm a lover not a fighter. But I don't like the war on smokers anymore then the rest of my friends. It's wrong. Morally wrong. And it's unjust.

Big money is being fed into our Politicians to bring grief to people who choose to smoke. Big Money. Big Lies.

55 posted on 05/29/2002 9:24:53 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
You've got to be kidding - they are not going to ban tobacco sales in Delaware.

The governor plans on balancing the budget to include state employee pay raises by raising the cigarette taxes.

in other words - the people who will be in charge of enforcing the ban are going to get pay raises paid solely by the people they will be issuing fines to.

No one seems to be paying attention to that aspect of this entire issue.

56 posted on 05/29/2002 9:25:00 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: lewislynn
That's the typical way selfish, inconsiderate smokers show their strong support for unwitting property owners and their "rights".

  Well, we'll just have to fix that then, won't we? Maybe Delaware should pass a law requiring people to go out to eat twice per week. Hmm, or maybe just smokers...

  Yeah, that's it. When purchasing a pack of cigarettes, smokers will be issued a coupon that must be validated at a restaurant where they went out to eat. They will not be permitted to purchase another pack of cigarettes without this validated receipt.

  This way restaurants will not be penalized for passage of this law, and the only people who suffer are smokers, who are so evil that they deserve no sympathy anyway. Anyone who opposes this law will be classified as a smoker-supporter, with penalties to be determined as soon as I can figure out who to sue...

Drew Garrett

57 posted on 05/29/2002 9:25:00 AM PDT by agarrett
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To: Junior
All references to Indian Reservations have to do with the restrictions in California. Delaware has no Indian Reservations.
58 posted on 05/29/2002 9:26:27 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
I do consultant work from my home - no one ever comes here, but I do have a home business. If I renew my business license next January - I will be unable to smoke in my home.
This is definitely a private property rights issue.

In all honesty I never thought of this and yes I can see the PC Police going after people/businesses on this issue

Thanks for pointing this out

59 posted on 05/29/2002 9:28:08 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Phantom Lord
My question still stands though, why do the reservations need permission to open casinos? They are not subject to US law.

Perhaps your question hasn't been answered because this thread is about smoking, not some Indian sovoriegnty myth.

60 posted on 05/29/2002 9:30:18 AM PDT by arm958
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