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The Cookie Crumbles-The Girl Scouts go PC.
National Review ^ | October 23,2000 | By Kathryn Jean Lopez, NR associate editor---------------lopezk@ix.netcom.com

Posted on 05/29/2002 7:10:54 AM PDT by GrandMoM

Everyone knows about the Boy Scouts, now one of the most controversial groups in America. But what about the Girl Scouts? All sugar and spice and everything nice, plus annual cookie sales, right? Not quite.

The Girl Scouts of America have avoided the beleaguered status of the Boy Scouts only because the organization has surrendered to exactly the cultural forces the Boy Scouts are resisting.

The Girl Scouts' leaders hope to make their youthful charges the shock troops of an ongoing feminist revolution.

It's been a long slide for the Girl Scouts. First, as James Davison Hunter points out in his new book The Death of Character, they dropped "loyalty" from their oath in 1972, in favor of "I will do my best to be honest and fair."

In 1975, a Catholic archdiocese cut off all support of the Girl Scouts because of their sex-ed program.

In 1993, the Girl Scouts made "God" optional in the Girl Scout Promise: "On my honor, I will try: To serve God and my country, to help people at all times and to live by the Girl Scout Law."

(The Boy Scouts, meanwhile, have been sued over keeping God obligatory in their oath.)

Today, the Girl Scouts is arguably one of the most politically correct organizations in the country.

Evans's Scouts march predictably leftward on almost everything. The Girl Scouts organization supports the Title IX legislation — which mandates gender equity in sports — in both the nation's capital (in 1998–99, the organization spent $56,800 on lobbying) and in its own literature. The Girl Scout Constitution includes a ringing endorsement of affirmative action in "recruitment, hiring, training, and promoting." Girl Scouts and Girl Scout moms are anti-gun, and were, naturally enough, represented in the anti-gun Million Mom March.

A Senior Scout resource book reads like an insert from YM or Seventeen. Scattered throughout the margins are a semester's worth of themes for after-school specials, including such statistical nuggets as, "One-fifth of girls have used diet pills, more than one in six have forced themselves to vomit, and half have skipped a meal in order to lose weight." Exercises include working through how the Girl Scout Promise and Law relate to such situations as "Supporting a decision to pull a life-support system from a dying relative" and "Ending a pregnancy." Some activities "you can do as a Girl Scout to address contemporary issues" include "organiz[ing] an event to make people aware of gender bias" or "help[ing] organize an Earth Day celebration."

"The core values remain the same, but throughout its history Girl Scouting has evolved to meet the needs and interests of girls today," says Karen Solzak Rice, a spokesman for the Mt. Wilson Vista Council of Arcadia, Calif. "Today's Girl Scout activities help girls grow up strong and give them skills for success in today's world." Girl Scouts now can earn the "Ms. Fix-It" badge for learning how to fix a leak, rewire an electrical appliance, or re-caulk a window, and the "Car Care" badge for checking fluids, filling tires to the proper pressure, and performing safety checks. And badges, which vary from council to council, go way beyond selling cookies. There's a "Domestic Violence Awareness" badge, as well as badges for stress management, for "becoming a teen," and a "Girl Power!" badge sponsored by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Girls can earn a "Decisions for Your Life" badge for participating in activities relating to teen pregnancy, including carrying around a raw egg for a designated period of time.

Victimization is central to the Girl Scout worldview, as the organization continues to propagate the now discredited notion that the nation's girls are a tribe of desperate Ophelias. Citing a survey from the American Association of University Women that has since been debunked, the Girl Scouts assures girls in its literature that teachers discriminate against them in the classroom, calling on boys more often. The new Girl Scout Research Institute, a clearinghouse of "research and polling information on girls," as National President Connie Matsui describes it, has just released its inaugural study, "Girls Speak Out: Teens Before Their Time," focusing on the supposed crisis of girls. Dr. Whitney Roban, a clinical psychologist at the research institute, advises parents: "You are hurting your daughter by trying to protect her. Sit down with your daughter and watch Dawson's Creek and the MTV Music Awards. Talk about it. It will be very revealing."

So why isn't the Girl Scouts, like the Boy Scouts, being sued and protested against for not allowing lesbian Scout leaders? Because they have them. The Girl Scouts does not have "a discrimination policy," as they like to put it — Girl Scouts doors are open to all, gay Scout leaders and girls.

Girl Scout policy forbids sex on Girl Scouts time. But the book On My Honor: Lesbians Reflect on Their Scouting Experience, published in 1997, is filled with coming-of-age stories sparked by gay encounters in the Girl Scouts. Along with an essay entitled "All I Really Need to Know About Being a Lesbian I Learned at Girl Scout Camp," and various stories of "butch" counselors who "wore men's clothes and had slicked back short hair," is testimony to the prevalence of lesbians in Girl Scouting. One writer remembers: "By the time I was a junior counselor, Mic was assistant camp director and her gruff, deep-voiced directives no longer scared me. I didn't know that most of the counselors were lesbians." Others remember how sleepovers and camping trips were opportunities for same-sex sexual experimentation. Girl Scout staffers writing in the book claim that roughly one in three of the Girl Scouts' paid professional staff is lesbian.

The organization itself is not shy about the issue. One resource book for Scouts informs its young readers: "Some girls have sexual attractions or desires for people of the same sex." Meanwhile, the Patriots' Trail Girl Scout Council in Massachusetts held a volunteer workshop this year on sexual orientation, working in tandem with the Gay Lesbian Youth Support project "to educate us about overcoming barriers that may exist in our organization and instilling a culture that is inviting to all girls," according to Mary Jo Kane, spokesman for the council. The Girl Scout council developed a mentoring program "for lesbian women and girls dealing with sexual identity." Says Kane, "I can only imagine the energy and leadership that would be unleashed — in society — if we spent our time and resources encouraging our girls — and everyone — to be visible, authentic, and bring 100 percent of themselves to all their experiences."

The St. Paul Pioneer Press reported this summer on a vivid example of the "authenticity" of today's Scouts:

For those of us who remember the Girl Scouts as the quiet girls in class who wore their green uniforms on Wednesdays, encountering Katze Ludeke can be quite an eye-opener. She seldom wears her sash for St. Croix Valley Troop 1256, preferring to accessorize with army boots and a lavender bra strap that slides persistently down her bare shoulder. Rather than stitching doilies and tea cozies, the talented seamstress has created her own costume company specializing in "fetish-wear." Instead of going for the Gold Award — the Girl Scout's highest honor — by reading to senior citizens, Ludeke pushed to start her own support group for at-risk teens called Queer Youth Exist. For her Gold Award application . . . Ludeke is submitting her work with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender teens, with the support of her troop.

The eyes — and ire — of the world may well be on the wrong Scouts. There are currently 2.7 million Girl Scouts in the U.S. That's a lot of liberal feminists to look forward to.

In a speech shortly after becoming executive director, the Girl Scouts' Marty Evans boasted, "We're not your mother's Girl Scout troop." No kidding.


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....I did a search and found this was on FR last year.

I thought it would be OK to run it again, because it sure surprized me and was sure there were others at FR who had no idea this was going on!

1 posted on 05/29/2002 7:10:55 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
Brownie Bump
2 posted on 05/29/2002 7:16:51 AM PDT by My Identity
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To: GrandMoM
"..are these cookies really made from Girl Scouts?"

- the little Adams Family girl -

3 posted on 05/29/2002 7:17:10 AM PDT by norraad
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To: Phasma Proeliator;jdogbearhunter
AWAE ping
4 posted on 05/29/2002 7:18:07 AM PDT by da_toolman
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To: da_toolman
ping
5 posted on 05/29/2002 7:20:06 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: GrandMoM
I still love the cookies. In fact, I have 4 boxes of Thin Mints and 2 boxes of Samoas left in the freezer. I'm saving them until fall, when I'll realize just how long it is til GS cookie time.
6 posted on 05/29/2002 7:21:45 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: GrandMoM
I was in Savanna over the weekend and got to see the birth place of the Girl Scouts of America. A fairly steep fall from the worthy principles they were founded on.
7 posted on 05/29/2002 7:21:55 AM PDT by avg_freeper
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To: GrandMoM
Take those cookies elsewhere.
8 posted on 05/29/2002 7:23:15 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: da_toolman
Dude- I'm living AWAE - big time!
9 posted on 05/29/2002 7:26:33 AM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: GrandMoM
Yup. All the reasons I no longer buy Girl Scout cookies.
10 posted on 05/29/2002 7:29:24 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: GrandMoM
This is why I stopped supporting GSA a number of years ago.
11 posted on 05/29/2002 7:31:57 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: GrandMoM
Matsui? Would she be any relation to Bob Matsui, Rat Rep from CA?
12 posted on 05/29/2002 7:33:24 AM PDT by CT
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To: EdReform,Khepera,BuffaloBob,wwjdn,Brad'sGramma,backhoe,*Homosexual Agenda
PING
13 posted on 05/29/2002 7:33:55 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: Bella_Bru
I still love the cookies. In fact, I have 4 boxes of Thin Mints and 2 boxes of Samoas left in the freezer

You haven't eaten them yet? You must have a heroic amount of self-control.

14 posted on 05/29/2002 7:35:21 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: GrandMoM
Yup, I heard about this stuff as well. Any number of reasons why my daughter won't be part of this organization.
15 posted on 05/29/2002 7:43:22 AM PDT by glory
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To: GrandMoM
Thank you Hillary Clinton. Only she could evil enough to politicize the Girl Scouts.
17 posted on 05/29/2002 7:46:02 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: GrandMoM
My sister and wife both worked at a camp in GA for years. My wife tells some stories about the place- drug use and drinking among staff, and an amazingly high percentage of lesbians including the director. I used to tease them about it but it is really not funny. No way in hell is my little girl going there.
18 posted on 05/29/2002 7:48:37 AM PDT by ruppertdog
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To: Bella_Bru
I once installed a computer network system for my town's Girl Scouts office.

The administrators were the meanest bunch of hairy-legged angry lesbians I have ever met. The treated me terribly--it was an awful place to work until I finished the job and got the heck out of there.

19 posted on 05/29/2002 7:50:04 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: cardinal4
The changes in the GSUSA (they hate being called the GSA) predate any influence by Hillary. I don't think she's got anything to do with it.
20 posted on 05/29/2002 7:52:35 AM PDT by RonF
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To: chookter
The standard joke is that you must have short hair to be a Girl Scout leader.
21 posted on 05/29/2002 7:53:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: GrandMoM
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it- an alternative to the Girl/Boy Scouts is AWANA, a Christian-based version of scouting. Their website is www.awana.org
22 posted on 05/29/2002 7:54:10 AM PDT by mafree
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To: GrandMoM
Our church pulled out of the Girl Scout program many years ago. When our leaders announced at a council wide meeting that we could no longer support such a program, she received death threats.

I haven't bought a GS cookie since.

Support your local BSA council by purchasing BSA popcorn. It is available every fall.

23 posted on 05/29/2002 7:55:26 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: RonF;ax
I dont care,I blame hillary for the Ice Age,The fall of the Roman Empire,and the plague of locusts in Egypt oh so many years ago.
24 posted on 05/29/2002 7:56:08 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: mafree
AWANA's is a great organization. My boys did Boy Scouts and AWANA's at the same time.

Pioneer clubs is another option.

25 posted on 05/29/2002 7:59:03 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: GrandMoM
Having been a Girl Scout 30 years ago, I was shocked and saddened at the decline of the scouting program that my daughter "enjoys". The Boy Scout program is far superior. It is intellectually more challenging; presents more survival, nature, and camping skills; and, demands more real, hands-on activities in its badge requirements.

But follow the money. The cookies are smaller and cost more than inflation would demand. (Berry made a great cookie in the 60's.) A small fraction of the cookie price goes to the troop--most of the profits fuel the council, where according to this article, the lesbians are employed. The troop is required to use up their excess money by the end of the year; ergo, the troop never acquires enough money to make good long-term investments in things like camping equipment. This way, too, the GSA troops do not develop the long-term identity the BSA troops do and the council stays all powerful while the troops remain weak links.

My daughter is still a scout because she needs social contact with a variety of girls. I refuse to sell the cookies and calendars, or whatever the fund-raiser-of-the-month is. After all, I think scouting should be more than on-the-job training for door-to-door sales. However, I can't wait for her to get old enough to join a BSA explorer group and really learn something that matters.

So send the GSA a message--don't buy their darned cookies and tell any parent of any child who asks for the order why they should reconsider the agenda of their parent organization. Without a grassroots movement from the bottom up (or a rapid decline in scouting as a result of demographic changes like a post-boomlet bust), these get-along-go-along spineless mooches will not get it.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 8:00:35 AM PDT by MHT
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To: GrandMoM
About 15 years ago, I was a Brownie Leader. One part of one of the patches that the girls could earn had something to do with racial tolerance; so, the local headquarters had a woman who would go to troop meetings and give the little girls a talk about racial tolerance and after hearing her talk...the troop would be on their way to earning part of their patch.

There were 18 girls (age 8) in our troop, myself, and four mothers all sitting around my family room listening to the woman speak. After a few minutes, she began to speak about Jewish people...I saw her eyes acknowledge a little girl of Syrian heritage...so in my mind I thought (oh...this woman thinks that Kellie is, Jewish). The woman continues to speak about Jewish people...then she asked if there were any Jewish kids in the room...as she once again looked at, Kellie (I guess she expected Kellie to raise her hand.)

A little blonde haired, blue-eyed girl named Summer raised her hand and said, "I'm Jewish."

The woman from headquarters said, "Honey, you're not Jewish, put your hand down."

Summer turned around and said to her mother, "MOM! I am too Jewish."

Her mom confirmed that Summer was Jewish...the woman from headquarters apologized.

Some representative for racial tolerance, hey? She judged the girl's ethnic heritage by their looks.

Idiot.

27 posted on 05/29/2002 8:01:26 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: cardinal4
....I never thought anyone could hate Hilldabeast more than me!

....one gets the feeling that you really, really, really don't like her

28 posted on 05/29/2002 8:01:31 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
I recently pulled out of my church for some similar abuses of innocence. The United Methodist Women's New York Offices have run amok, sending letters to congress to protest the US war in Afganistan and spending "undesignated " mission funds to lobby Bill Clinton to veto the partial birth abortion bill passed by congress in his last year. See goodnewsmag.org for details.
29 posted on 05/29/2002 8:04:06 AM PDT by Dutchgirl
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To: GrandMoM
In 1993, the Girl Scouts made "God" optional in the Girl Scout Promise: "On my honor, I will try: To serve God and my country, to help people at all times and to live by the Girl Scout Law."

Interesting, this. The GSUSA is a member of the WAGGGS, the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts. If you look over the documentation on the WAGGGS site www.wagggs.org (currently undergoing reorg, with the usual result of bunches of broken links), you'll find that a belief in God is required for all members of organizations that are in turn members of WAGGGS. WAGGGS has accepted the GSUSA's representation that "the fundamental principles" are being upheld. So, while my daughter would say "Duty to God", a Moslem girl might say "Duty to Allah", and this is acceptable to WAGGGS.

So far, so good. There's no intent that WAGGGS membership, or GSUSA membership, be limited to Christians and Jews. However, in practice in the GSUSA, I called up my local Council and asked if they allow atheists. I got something along the lines of "We think that religious belief is a family matter". I asked if a youth or leader came in and announced, "I am an atheist". Same response. WAGGGS says you're not eligible for membership if you're an atheist, but the GSUSA isn't playing it that way as far as I can see.

Understand that membership in WAGGGS's member organizations is about 12 million, and the GSUSA provides 50% of that.

30 posted on 05/29/2002 8:04:36 AM PDT by RonF
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To: GrandMoM
GrandMomM;if you could have seen the look on her face when she was waving the NY Post on the Senate floor last week...........Hillary watched her husband drive our military and intelligence services into the ground resulting in 9/11. Then she has the gall to question George Bush about 9/11. One day Hillary will have to face up to her actions and explain them to God. I believe He has a sense of humor; He will make her spend eternity with her husband.
31 posted on 05/29/2002 8:06:00 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: GrandMoM
Whoops. My mistake. The WAGGGS web site says they have 10 million members world wide. The GSUSA web site says that they have 2.8 million girls and just under 1 million adults as members.
32 posted on 05/29/2002 8:13:05 AM PDT by RonF
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To: GrandMoM
It's so sad....some of my best times were in Girl Scouts...at camp....as a leader, counselor and trainer. Yes, we knew there were lesbians at camp but it never impacted on us. We were having too much fun. I wonder if the kids still have fun now???
33 posted on 05/29/2002 8:14:45 AM PDT by Betteboop
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To: MHT
....this really saddens me, as I was a GS leader some 30 years ago.

While I viewed some of the leaders less then feminine,I never thought about them being GAY! ....I guess I was really naive back then.

34 posted on 05/29/2002 8:14:57 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: MHT
I know this is somewhat off topic, but do you remember Berry Chocolate chip cookies? They came in sets of 4 cellophane wrappers to a box, and they were the best. My father had a box always, and it was a special treat to get one.
35 posted on 05/29/2002 8:17:07 AM PDT by I still care
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To: GrandMoM
This really makes me sick! I was a girl scout and so was my daughter, but I will not support them in any way again, not even to buy cookies and I will be sure to tell them why when I tell them "no".
36 posted on 05/29/2002 8:17:30 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Bella_Bru
I still love the cookies.

Who cares what they do as long as the Thin Mints run on time...;-)

Love the cookies too. But if I had daughters, they wouldn't be Girl Scouts.

37 posted on 05/29/2002 8:18:28 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bella_Bru
I still love the cookies. In fact, I have 4 boxes of Thin Mints and 2 boxes of Samoas left in the freezer. I'm saving them until fall, when I'll realize just how long it is til GS cookie time.

I stopped buying the cookies 20 years ago.

The cookies are good, but they're waaaaaay too expensive, an very little goes to actually fund Girl Scout activiities. For whatever reason, the Boy Scouts seem to do a better job of providing for the kids. IMHO, GSA is more about raising funds to support the GSA corporate bureaucracy by exploiting child labor to sell cookies.

BTW, I don't flatly refuse to donate. I just don't buy the cookies. Whenever I'm approaced by somebody wanting to sell cookies to me, I make a $5 or $10 cash donation instead. The local troop gets full benefit from my donation without having to fork over 99% to the national GSA and cookie manufacturers.

38 posted on 05/29/2002 8:19:31 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: cardinal4
....believe me, I am not knocking you, just thought no one could hate her more than myself.

....I totally beieve God will get her as well as her red nosed husband.

....I just hope I will live to see it happen!!!!!

39 posted on 05/29/2002 8:21:37 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
My son and his wife took their daughters out of Girls Scouts when they started seeing and hearing things they just couldn't go along with. My neighbor took her daughters out for the same reason and put them in another group. Something like Campfire girls.
40 posted on 05/29/2002 8:23:26 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: norraad
The full quotation from 'Addams Family':

Snotty Girl Scout: "Is that lemonade made from real lemons?"
Wednesday: "Are those cookies made from real Girl Scouts?"

41 posted on 05/29/2002 8:28:36 AM PDT by No.6
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To: No.6
....never liked that program, but my kids did.
42 posted on 05/29/2002 8:39:27 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
Girl Scouts now can earn the "Ms. Fix-It" badge for learning how to fix a leak, rewire an electrical appliance, or re-caulk a window, and the "Car Care" badge for checking fluids, filling tires to the proper pressure, and performing safety checks.

They forgot to mention the "Ms. Kiss-it" badge for fellating a pro-abortion politician.

43 posted on 05/29/2002 8:47:01 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: GrandMoM
Citing a survey from the American Association of University Women that has since been debunked, the Girl Scouts assures girls in its literature that teachers discriminate against them in the classroom, calling on boys more often.

From what I remember of school, from the first grade all the way through college, teachers will always call on the students who they feel don't know the answers.

44 posted on 05/29/2002 8:48:32 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Corin Stormhands
I hear that lesbian join the Girl Scouts for the nookies.
45 posted on 05/29/2002 8:49:57 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: GrandMoM
Guys, American women have mostly been indoctrinated and corrupted. It is a personal call, but are American women worth taking a chance on when it comes time to look for a permanent partner in this world?
46 posted on 05/29/2002 8:50:47 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: mafree; scan59
Yes, my own daughter just finished the "Sparks" level in Awana. She really likes it and we do, too.
47 posted on 05/29/2002 8:52:32 AM PDT by scan58
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To: ResistorSister
"She judged the girl's ethnic heritage by their looks. Idiot."

I was at work one day. The tv was on and a commercial came on showing a white woman with a black baby. A black co-worker said, they are trying to do away with white and black and make everyone one color. He was right.

48 posted on 05/29/2002 8:55:21 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Guys, American women have mostly been indoctrinated and corrupted. It is a personal call, but are American women worth taking a chance on when it comes time to look for a permanent partner in this world?

....your attitude alarms me because, at first while reading your profile it appeared you were a very devoted and perceptive man ,then I eyed the fact you are working with at risk young men.

....May I ask is your attitude the same when working with them, as your statement here and what you are telling them the alternative is?

49 posted on 05/29/2002 9:30:59 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
While I viewed some of the leaders less then feminine,I never thought about them being GAY! ....I guess I was really naive back then.

Talk about naive - I don't even remember thinking some of my leaders were "less than feminine!" While most of the leaders were mothers, some were single college students; the meetings and camp-outs were fun, and that issue never came up at all.

But then, even if they were a little "off" I probably wouldn't have recognized the signs. I still have trouble picking up on them, unless the person is really flaming. As a kid, if they were there, they went right over my head.

50 posted on 05/29/2002 9:34:02 AM PDT by serinde
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