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The Cookie Crumbles-The Girl Scouts go PC.
National Review ^ | October 23,2000 | By Kathryn Jean Lopez, NR associate editor---------------lopezk@ix.netcom.com

Posted on 05/29/2002 7:10:54 AM PDT by GrandMoM

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....I did a search and found this was on FR last year.

I thought it would be OK to run it again, because it sure surprized me and was sure there were others at FR who had no idea this was going on!

1 posted on 05/29/2002 7:10:55 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
Brownie Bump
2 posted on 05/29/2002 7:16:51 AM PDT by My Identity
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To: GrandMoM
"..are these cookies really made from Girl Scouts?"

- the little Adams Family girl -

3 posted on 05/29/2002 7:17:10 AM PDT by norraad
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To: Phasma Proeliator;jdogbearhunter
AWAE ping
4 posted on 05/29/2002 7:18:07 AM PDT by da_toolman
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To: da_toolman
ping
5 posted on 05/29/2002 7:20:06 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: GrandMoM
I still love the cookies. In fact, I have 4 boxes of Thin Mints and 2 boxes of Samoas left in the freezer. I'm saving them until fall, when I'll realize just how long it is til GS cookie time.
6 posted on 05/29/2002 7:21:45 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: GrandMoM
I was in Savanna over the weekend and got to see the birth place of the Girl Scouts of America. A fairly steep fall from the worthy principles they were founded on.
7 posted on 05/29/2002 7:21:55 AM PDT by avg_freeper
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To: GrandMoM
Take those cookies elsewhere.
8 posted on 05/29/2002 7:23:15 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: da_toolman
Dude- I'm living AWAE - big time!
9 posted on 05/29/2002 7:26:33 AM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: GrandMoM
Yup. All the reasons I no longer buy Girl Scout cookies.
10 posted on 05/29/2002 7:29:24 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: GrandMoM
This is why I stopped supporting GSA a number of years ago.
11 posted on 05/29/2002 7:31:57 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: GrandMoM
Matsui? Would she be any relation to Bob Matsui, Rat Rep from CA?
12 posted on 05/29/2002 7:33:24 AM PDT by CT
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To: EdReform,Khepera,BuffaloBob,wwjdn,Brad'sGramma,backhoe,*Homosexual Agenda
PING
13 posted on 05/29/2002 7:33:55 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: Bella_Bru
I still love the cookies. In fact, I have 4 boxes of Thin Mints and 2 boxes of Samoas left in the freezer

You haven't eaten them yet? You must have a heroic amount of self-control.

14 posted on 05/29/2002 7:35:21 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: GrandMoM
Yup, I heard about this stuff as well. Any number of reasons why my daughter won't be part of this organization.
15 posted on 05/29/2002 7:43:22 AM PDT by glory
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To: GrandMoM
Thank you Hillary Clinton. Only she could evil enough to politicize the Girl Scouts.
17 posted on 05/29/2002 7:46:02 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: GrandMoM
My sister and wife both worked at a camp in GA for years. My wife tells some stories about the place- drug use and drinking among staff, and an amazingly high percentage of lesbians including the director. I used to tease them about it but it is really not funny. No way in hell is my little girl going there.
18 posted on 05/29/2002 7:48:37 AM PDT by ruppertdog
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To: Bella_Bru
I once installed a computer network system for my town's Girl Scouts office.

The administrators were the meanest bunch of hairy-legged angry lesbians I have ever met. The treated me terribly--it was an awful place to work until I finished the job and got the heck out of there.

19 posted on 05/29/2002 7:50:04 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: cardinal4
The changes in the GSUSA (they hate being called the GSA) predate any influence by Hillary. I don't think she's got anything to do with it.
20 posted on 05/29/2002 7:52:35 AM PDT by RonF
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To: chookter
The standard joke is that you must have short hair to be a Girl Scout leader.
21 posted on 05/29/2002 7:53:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: GrandMoM
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it- an alternative to the Girl/Boy Scouts is AWANA, a Christian-based version of scouting. Their website is www.awana.org
22 posted on 05/29/2002 7:54:10 AM PDT by mafree
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To: GrandMoM
Our church pulled out of the Girl Scout program many years ago. When our leaders announced at a council wide meeting that we could no longer support such a program, she received death threats.

I haven't bought a GS cookie since.

Support your local BSA council by purchasing BSA popcorn. It is available every fall.

23 posted on 05/29/2002 7:55:26 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: RonF;ax
I dont care,I blame hillary for the Ice Age,The fall of the Roman Empire,and the plague of locusts in Egypt oh so many years ago.
24 posted on 05/29/2002 7:56:08 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: mafree
AWANA's is a great organization. My boys did Boy Scouts and AWANA's at the same time.

Pioneer clubs is another option.

25 posted on 05/29/2002 7:59:03 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: GrandMoM
Having been a Girl Scout 30 years ago, I was shocked and saddened at the decline of the scouting program that my daughter "enjoys". The Boy Scout program is far superior. It is intellectually more challenging; presents more survival, nature, and camping skills; and, demands more real, hands-on activities in its badge requirements.

But follow the money. The cookies are smaller and cost more than inflation would demand. (Berry made a great cookie in the 60's.) A small fraction of the cookie price goes to the troop--most of the profits fuel the council, where according to this article, the lesbians are employed. The troop is required to use up their excess money by the end of the year; ergo, the troop never acquires enough money to make good long-term investments in things like camping equipment. This way, too, the GSA troops do not develop the long-term identity the BSA troops do and the council stays all powerful while the troops remain weak links.

My daughter is still a scout because she needs social contact with a variety of girls. I refuse to sell the cookies and calendars, or whatever the fund-raiser-of-the-month is. After all, I think scouting should be more than on-the-job training for door-to-door sales. However, I can't wait for her to get old enough to join a BSA explorer group and really learn something that matters.

So send the GSA a message--don't buy their darned cookies and tell any parent of any child who asks for the order why they should reconsider the agenda of their parent organization. Without a grassroots movement from the bottom up (or a rapid decline in scouting as a result of demographic changes like a post-boomlet bust), these get-along-go-along spineless mooches will not get it.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 8:00:35 AM PDT by MHT
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To: GrandMoM
About 15 years ago, I was a Brownie Leader. One part of one of the patches that the girls could earn had something to do with racial tolerance; so, the local headquarters had a woman who would go to troop meetings and give the little girls a talk about racial tolerance and after hearing her talk...the troop would be on their way to earning part of their patch.

There were 18 girls (age 8) in our troop, myself, and four mothers all sitting around my family room listening to the woman speak. After a few minutes, she began to speak about Jewish people...I saw her eyes acknowledge a little girl of Syrian heritage...so in my mind I thought (oh...this woman thinks that Kellie is, Jewish). The woman continues to speak about Jewish people...then she asked if there were any Jewish kids in the room...as she once again looked at, Kellie (I guess she expected Kellie to raise her hand.)

A little blonde haired, blue-eyed girl named Summer raised her hand and said, "I'm Jewish."

The woman from headquarters said, "Honey, you're not Jewish, put your hand down."

Summer turned around and said to her mother, "MOM! I am too Jewish."

Her mom confirmed that Summer was Jewish...the woman from headquarters apologized.

Some representative for racial tolerance, hey? She judged the girl's ethnic heritage by their looks.

Idiot.

27 posted on 05/29/2002 8:01:26 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: cardinal4
....I never thought anyone could hate Hilldabeast more than me!

....one gets the feeling that you really, really, really don't like her

28 posted on 05/29/2002 8:01:31 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
I recently pulled out of my church for some similar abuses of innocence. The United Methodist Women's New York Offices have run amok, sending letters to congress to protest the US war in Afganistan and spending "undesignated " mission funds to lobby Bill Clinton to veto the partial birth abortion bill passed by congress in his last year. See goodnewsmag.org for details.
29 posted on 05/29/2002 8:04:06 AM PDT by Dutchgirl
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To: GrandMoM
In 1993, the Girl Scouts made "God" optional in the Girl Scout Promise: "On my honor, I will try: To serve God and my country, to help people at all times and to live by the Girl Scout Law."

Interesting, this. The GSUSA is a member of the WAGGGS, the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts. If you look over the documentation on the WAGGGS site www.wagggs.org (currently undergoing reorg, with the usual result of bunches of broken links), you'll find that a belief in God is required for all members of organizations that are in turn members of WAGGGS. WAGGGS has accepted the GSUSA's representation that "the fundamental principles" are being upheld. So, while my daughter would say "Duty to God", a Moslem girl might say "Duty to Allah", and this is acceptable to WAGGGS.

So far, so good. There's no intent that WAGGGS membership, or GSUSA membership, be limited to Christians and Jews. However, in practice in the GSUSA, I called up my local Council and asked if they allow atheists. I got something along the lines of "We think that religious belief is a family matter". I asked if a youth or leader came in and announced, "I am an atheist". Same response. WAGGGS says you're not eligible for membership if you're an atheist, but the GSUSA isn't playing it that way as far as I can see.

Understand that membership in WAGGGS's member organizations is about 12 million, and the GSUSA provides 50% of that.

30 posted on 05/29/2002 8:04:36 AM PDT by RonF
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GrandMomM;if you could have seen the look on her face when she was waving the NY Post on the Senate floor last week...........Hillary watched her husband drive our military and intelligence services into the ground resulting in 9/11. Then she has the gall to question George Bush about 9/11. One day Hillary will have to face up to her actions and explain them to God. I believe He has a sense of humor; He will make her spend eternity with her husband.
31 posted on 05/29/2002 8:06:00 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: GrandMoM
Whoops. My mistake. The WAGGGS web site says they have 10 million members world wide. The GSUSA web site says that they have 2.8 million girls and just under 1 million adults as members.
32 posted on 05/29/2002 8:13:05 AM PDT by RonF
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To: GrandMoM
It's so sad....some of my best times were in Girl Scouts...at camp....as a leader, counselor and trainer. Yes, we knew there were lesbians at camp but it never impacted on us. We were having too much fun. I wonder if the kids still have fun now???
33 posted on 05/29/2002 8:14:45 AM PDT by Betteboop
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....this really saddens me, as I was a GS leader some 30 years ago.

While I viewed some of the leaders less then feminine,I never thought about them being GAY! ....I guess I was really naive back then.

34 posted on 05/29/2002 8:14:57 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: MHT
I know this is somewhat off topic, but do you remember Berry Chocolate chip cookies? They came in sets of 4 cellophane wrappers to a box, and they were the best. My father had a box always, and it was a special treat to get one.
35 posted on 05/29/2002 8:17:07 AM PDT by I still care
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To: GrandMoM
This really makes me sick! I was a girl scout and so was my daughter, but I will not support them in any way again, not even to buy cookies and I will be sure to tell them why when I tell them "no".
36 posted on 05/29/2002 8:17:30 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Bella_Bru
I still love the cookies.

Who cares what they do as long as the Thin Mints run on time...;-)

Love the cookies too. But if I had daughters, they wouldn't be Girl Scouts.

37 posted on 05/29/2002 8:18:28 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bella_Bru
I still love the cookies. In fact, I have 4 boxes of Thin Mints and 2 boxes of Samoas left in the freezer. I'm saving them until fall, when I'll realize just how long it is til GS cookie time.

I stopped buying the cookies 20 years ago.

The cookies are good, but they're waaaaaay too expensive, an very little goes to actually fund Girl Scout activiities. For whatever reason, the Boy Scouts seem to do a better job of providing for the kids. IMHO, GSA is more about raising funds to support the GSA corporate bureaucracy by exploiting child labor to sell cookies.

BTW, I don't flatly refuse to donate. I just don't buy the cookies. Whenever I'm approaced by somebody wanting to sell cookies to me, I make a $5 or $10 cash donation instead. The local troop gets full benefit from my donation without having to fork over 99% to the national GSA and cookie manufacturers.

38 posted on 05/29/2002 8:19:31 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: cardinal4
....believe me, I am not knocking you, just thought no one could hate her more than myself.

....I totally beieve God will get her as well as her red nosed husband.

....I just hope I will live to see it happen!!!!!

39 posted on 05/29/2002 8:21:37 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
My son and his wife took their daughters out of Girls Scouts when they started seeing and hearing things they just couldn't go along with. My neighbor took her daughters out for the same reason and put them in another group. Something like Campfire girls.
40 posted on 05/29/2002 8:23:26 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: norraad
The full quotation from 'Addams Family':

Snotty Girl Scout: "Is that lemonade made from real lemons?"
Wednesday: "Are those cookies made from real Girl Scouts?"

41 posted on 05/29/2002 8:28:36 AM PDT by No.6
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....never liked that program, but my kids did.
42 posted on 05/29/2002 8:39:27 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
Girl Scouts now can earn the "Ms. Fix-It" badge for learning how to fix a leak, rewire an electrical appliance, or re-caulk a window, and the "Car Care" badge for checking fluids, filling tires to the proper pressure, and performing safety checks.

They forgot to mention the "Ms. Kiss-it" badge for fellating a pro-abortion politician.

43 posted on 05/29/2002 8:47:01 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: GrandMoM
Citing a survey from the American Association of University Women that has since been debunked, the Girl Scouts assures girls in its literature that teachers discriminate against them in the classroom, calling on boys more often.

From what I remember of school, from the first grade all the way through college, teachers will always call on the students who they feel don't know the answers.

44 posted on 05/29/2002 8:48:32 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Corin Stormhands
I hear that lesbian join the Girl Scouts for the nookies.
45 posted on 05/29/2002 8:49:57 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: GrandMoM
Guys, American women have mostly been indoctrinated and corrupted. It is a personal call, but are American women worth taking a chance on when it comes time to look for a permanent partner in this world?
46 posted on 05/29/2002 8:50:47 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: mafree; scan59
Yes, my own daughter just finished the "Sparks" level in Awana. She really likes it and we do, too.
47 posted on 05/29/2002 8:52:32 AM PDT by scan58
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To: ResistorSister
"She judged the girl's ethnic heritage by their looks. Idiot."

I was at work one day. The tv was on and a commercial came on showing a white woman with a black baby. A black co-worker said, they are trying to do away with white and black and make everyone one color. He was right.

48 posted on 05/29/2002 8:55:21 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Guys, American women have mostly been indoctrinated and corrupted. It is a personal call, but are American women worth taking a chance on when it comes time to look for a permanent partner in this world?

....your attitude alarms me because, at first while reading your profile it appeared you were a very devoted and perceptive man ,then I eyed the fact you are working with at risk young men.

....May I ask is your attitude the same when working with them, as your statement here and what you are telling them the alternative is?

49 posted on 05/29/2002 9:30:59 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
While I viewed some of the leaders less then feminine,I never thought about them being GAY! ....I guess I was really naive back then.

Talk about naive - I don't even remember thinking some of my leaders were "less than feminine!" While most of the leaders were mothers, some were single college students; the meetings and camp-outs were fun, and that issue never came up at all.

But then, even if they were a little "off" I probably wouldn't have recognized the signs. I still have trouble picking up on them, unless the person is really flaming. As a kid, if they were there, they went right over my head.

50 posted on 05/29/2002 9:34:02 AM PDT by serinde
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