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The Cookie Crumbles-The Girl Scouts go PC.
National Review ^ | October 23,2000 | By Kathryn Jean Lopez, NR associate editor---------------lopezk@ix.netcom.com

Posted on 05/29/2002 7:10:54 AM PDT by GrandMoM

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To: GrandMoM
"....May I ask is your attitude the same when working with them, as your statement here and what you are telling them the alternative is?"

We don't discuss it, and part of my attitude stems from my observation of many parents and the girlfriends of these young men.

51 posted on 05/29/2002 9:34:39 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Who are "they?"
52 posted on 05/29/2002 9:37:16 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: ResistorSister
He meant the media and other institutions, I believe.
53 posted on 05/29/2002 9:41:34 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Willie Green
For whatever reason, the Boy Scouts seem to do a better job of providing for the kids.

When you buy any product from a Boy Scout, none of it goes to the BSA's National Council. If you buy the popcorn, approximately 1/3 goes to the manufacturer of the popcorn, 1/3 to the Pack or Troop the Scout belongs to, and 1/3 to the local Council.

The local Council uses it to pay their staff (both full time and seasonal summer camp), maintain their properties (repair the dining hall, etc.), and purchase program materials (new canoes for summer camp, etc.). If you'd like to see a breakdown of how the money works in your local Council, call them up and ask for a copy of their Annual Report.

The Troop or Pack will use their money to buy camping equipment or other program materials. This can get expensive. The tents we buy for our unit cost about $240 each for two young men to use. Sure, we could buy the $89 special from Wal-Mart, but then what happens when you have a thunderstorm? It collapses, the kids get soaked, and they'll never come out on a campout again. Unlike GSUSA units, BSA Troops have to go camping, it's part of the program. A good Troop goes camping at least 9 weekends in the year, plus a week of summer camp. So they all have their own gear. GSUSA units generally don't camp all that much (they can if they want to, but the program doesn't require it), so they usually have no need to invest in the equipment. The local GSUSA Council thus stocks the equipment needed.

By the way, other fundraisers that a BSA unit runs, like a Troop selling Christmas trees, don't include the local Council. For example, we sell wreaths. Half the money goes to the manufacturer. Of the other half, half of that goes to the Troop's general funds, and the other half (1/4 of the price) goes to the Scout's "Scout Account". We keep this money separate on the unit's books, and the Scout can use it for uniforming, camp fees, camping equipment, hiking boots, etc.

54 posted on 05/29/2002 9:47:21 AM PDT by RonF
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To: GrandMoM
Though the Boy Scouts has been hit badly by the atheists and homosexuals and their supporters, the Boy Scouts is growing rapidly in our area, and, I understand, in many other areas as well. It is the last major mainstream kids' organization that teaches traditional Judeo-Christian principles to young men. When the homosexuals started attacking scouts two years ago, we lost about 3 out of 150 kids in our pack and troop. Now, our pack and troop number well over 200. In constast, many, many parents (and this is in suburban New Jersey) are refusing to let their daughters join Girl Scouts. They object, rightly, to its pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, un-God-founded message (whatever that is, outside of empowerment). Several of us are already looking at American Heritage Girls, a new organization for girls that duplicates many of the values underscored in Boy Scouts.
55 posted on 05/29/2002 9:49:28 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: avg_freeper
A fairly steep fall from the worthy principles they were founded on.

If you want to teach your daughters moral relativism, send them to the Girl Scouts.

56 posted on 05/29/2002 9:51:01 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Red Face
push on to our little girls is: being a homosexual woman is not only cool , but it is normal behavior that all women (or should) secretly feel

My daughter would be safer morally (and physically) with a bunch of Boy Scouts than with a bunch of Girl Scouts.

57 posted on 05/29/2002 9:53:32 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ruppertdog
My wife tells some stories about the place- drug use and drinking among staff, and an amazingly high percentage of lesbians including the director. I used to tease them about it but it is really not funny. No way in hell is my little girl going there.

The Girls Scouts are going to end up rejected by most parents, once those parents learn the truth.

59 posted on 05/29/2002 9:54:36 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Don Myers
It is a personal call, but are American women worth taking a chance on when it comes time to look for a permanent partner in this world?

My beautiful, wonderful, classy wife, and the mother of my three extraordinary children, is Asian. But I think there are some American women with similar qualities as well. Good luck!!! (But don't go looking at a Girl Scouts meeting!)

60 posted on 05/29/2002 10:01:21 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Red Face
As a white guy, I respect and are far more attracted to Asian women. As a whole, they are culturally superior with values and a respect for men.

My wife is Asian, and we have tons of respect (and love) for each other. In many ways, as you say, Asian women exemplify the values of American women of yore.

61 posted on 05/29/2002 10:05:42 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Don Myers
....I see you've been intrusted in a profession that you have a great influence on these young men, with the right attitude you could ,thru the grace of GOD, channel them on a rightious path, but, the attitude you present here certainly won't do that. I pray you ask for Gods guidence in directing your charges and leave your damaging attitude at home.
62 posted on 05/29/2002 10:07:07 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: MHT
A small fraction of the cookie price goes to the troop--most of the profits fuel the council, where according to this article, the lesbians are employed. The troop is required to use up their excess money by the end of the year; ergo, the troop never acquires enough money to make good long-term investments in things like camping equipment.

OK, then. So why not say "to hell with the council", have cupcake sales (or whatever), keeping 100% of the money for the troop, and buy equiptment? I don't see the problem -- an insurrection of the scouts and their moms would leave the councils high and dry

63 posted on 05/29/2002 10:08:05 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: GrandMoM
Thanks for the truth...I have indeed bought my LAST box of GS cookies.
64 posted on 05/29/2002 10:08:38 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Red Face
One of my co-workers is a young, college-educated, modern woman. She lives with a guy. She made the comment one day that a bisexual person is just "comfortable with their sexuality." She is the perfect picture of the modern, chic, young woman of today. This is all the result of a run-a-way education system and permissiveness taught by our institutions.
65 posted on 05/29/2002 10:10:49 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: GrandMoM
Thanks for posting this! Here are some related links:

'Female Liberalism' Pervades Girl Scouts, Says Ex-Scout

Lesbian Girl Scout Leader Assaults 12 Year Old Girl

GLSEN - Girl Scouts Try a Version of Don't Ask, Don't Tell:

"... The local council has since welcomed open lesbians into its ranks..."


Barf Alert:

Lesbians are to Scouting as Sunshine is to Summer...

"Suffice it to say, "without lesbians" there would probably still be a Girl Scouts of America, but without lesbians, "GSA probably would not be the vibrant organization it is today, nor would it be inspiring so many girls and women to high ideals of character and community," says author Nancy Manahan. Manahan, whose first book Lesbian Nuns: Breaking Silence (co-authored with Rosemary Keefe Curb), sent shockwaves through the lesbian and the religious communities, is again broaching a subject universally understood to be taboo: lesbians in scouting—young lesbian scouts, lesbian volunteers, and lesbians in administrative positions within local councils and the national organization...

For some, no doubt, contributing to On My Honor was a healing experience. Manahan hopes that the book can be a catalyst for healing, a catalyst for change within the world of scouting. But for Manahan, On My Honor began an opportunity for "lesbian girl scouts to tell their stories in print for the first time." But as she got into the project and heard "stories of homophobia, and became informed about the Girl Scout policy and practice on sexual orientation, another motive emerged: to help this wonderful, progressive, idealistic, dedicated and influential organization—the largest organization of girls and women in the world!—take it’s role in the most important civil rights struggle of our time: gay, lesbian, bisexual equality..."


66 posted on 05/29/2002 10:12:11 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: yendu bwam
The girl scouts is just another indoctrination point in this country. They have been allowing gays access to the kids for many years now.
67 posted on 05/29/2002 10:13:39 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: GrandMoM
I see that you believe that I am a bad influence on these kids. As I said before, I do not discuss these things with the boys. And, their attitudes and harm have been done by their parents and society.

May I suggest to you that you also obtain a similar job, and you will have the chance to do what you advise others?

Anyway, what is not changed is the attitudes displayed by so many American women that renders them harmful to the American male.

68 posted on 05/29/2002 10:21:11 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: GrandMoM
My kids were in Camp Fire. Are they now PC also?
69 posted on 05/29/2002 10:29:47 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: yendu bwam
"My wife is Asian, and we have tons of respect (and love) for each other. In many ways, as you say, Asian women exemplify the values of American women of yore."

At least, those values still exist. My wife was born in 1954. She has those values. The younger women mostly seem to lack them.

70 posted on 05/29/2002 10:29:59 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: F16Fighter
I have indeed bought my LAST box of GS cookies.
71 posted on 05/29/2002 10:31:09 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Don Myers
My wife was born in 1954. She has those values. The younger women mostly seem to lack them.

And here's the surprising thing, at least by my observation - Most of those younger women live LESS happy lives than they would if they still had those values. Just watch a couple of episodes of 'Friends' on TV. If you have traditional Christian values, you can't help feel sorry for (and be repulsed by) the lives of the girls (and boys) on that show.

72 posted on 05/29/2002 10:33:33 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Salvation
I have indeed bought my LAST box of GS cookies.

Hey Mr. Salvation - Support Boy Scouts with time or money. They really make a (good) difference in the lives of many young men. My own two sons have benefited enormously from this program.

73 posted on 05/29/2002 10:34:48 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ResistorSister
Some representative for racial tolerance, hey? She judged the girl's ethnic heritage by their looks. Idiot.

Good true story!

74 posted on 05/29/2002 10:38:01 AM PDT by Salvation
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Re: Hitlery

if you could have seen the look on her face when she was waving the NY Post on the Senate floor last week...........

Has she recanted since Daschle and Gephardt have?

75 posted on 05/29/2002 10:39:55 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Texas Mom
Something like Campfire girls.

Bump for Camp Fire Boys and Girls.

76 posted on 05/29/2002 10:41:51 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Don Myers
I see that you believe that I am a bad influence on these kids. As I said before, I do not discuss these things with the boys.

....in the few words you posted on FR your attitude clearly came threw. These young adults are not stupid and most can read people like a book!

And, their attitudes and harm have been done by their parents and society

....and isn't it quite possible you may be adding to the damage all ready done.

May I suggest to you that you also obtain a similar job, and you will have the chance to do what you advise others?

I do, I teach Sunday school and a great deal of my lessons are on daily life, and future expectations !

Anyway, what is not changed is the attitudes displayed by so many American women that renders them harmful to the American male.

Could you just explain what these attitudes are and do all or most males share your views?

77 posted on 05/29/2002 10:43:46 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: EdReform
Glad to see you here.
78 posted on 05/29/2002 10:44:12 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Texas Mom
My neighbor took her daughters out for the same reason and put them in another group. Something like Campfire girls.

There is no Campfire "girls" anymore. It is "Campfire USA" now. This organization went pc a long time ago, I am sad to say. I was a Campfire girl way back when and had a great time.

Their website tells alot.
excerpt:

Camp Fire USA's programs are designed and implemented to reduce sex-role, racial and cultural stereotypes and to foster positive intercultural relationships.

Then they go on to tell you about the percentages of age, gender and ethnicity there are within the organization. (go figure...) The logo on the home page has the three words "integrity, responsiblity and tolerance" underneath. Guess which word is set in the largest font.

79 posted on 05/29/2002 10:46:32 AM PDT by scan58
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To: GrandMoM; Don Myers
Hey GrandMom, Mr. Myers sounds like a guy dedicated to helping young men who need help. And he is entitled to his own observations and conclusions about the effect of today's culture on today's women. Any man who grew up during the fifties and sixties and seventies can see that there were enormous changes in the way women look at religion, jobs, families, dating, sex, etc. I'm with Mr. Myers. I don't think many of these changes, on average, have been beneficial to either men or women. There's nothing damaging about making that observation. And it could just be that Mr. Myers will help his young charges to think about some (important) things they might not have otherwise!
80 posted on 05/29/2002 10:48:46 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: scan58
Camp Fire USA's programs are designed and implemented to reduce sex-role, racial and cultural stereotypes and to foster positive intercultural relationships.

Right. They don't want your sons to grow into real men or your daughters to grow up into womanly women. I wouldn't send my kids there!!!

81 posted on 05/29/2002 10:51:36 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Bigg Red
This is why I stopped supporting GSA a number of years ago.

Yep, this is old news. After several years in the Girls Scouts/Brownies, my daughters discovered freedom. My wife had been a hard working Troop Leader and volunteer. She discovered over time that the great majority of the cookie money goes to salaried PC employees - very little to the girls. I am sure there are tens of thousands of families who have discovered the same thing.

82 posted on 05/29/2002 10:55:42 AM PDT by arm958
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To: yendu bwam
And it could just be that Mr. Myers will help his young charges to think about some (important) things they might not have otherwise!

....Like this good Christian idea! Guys, American women have mostly been indoctrinated and corrupted. It is a personal call, but are American women worth taking a chance on when it comes time to look for a permanent partner in this world?

Please don't get me wrong Mr. Meyers, but perhaps you have been exposed to the ominous part of the world for too long, there is another side. We have a great many young women in our church who display the attiributes you seem to see lacking in the women you encounter. I think it is harmful to generalize in any situation, more so if we do not look at both sides.

83 posted on 05/29/2002 11:10:50 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM; Don Myers
You know, you both speak truth. Today, Ms. GrandMom, in local MIDDLE schools, girls are rushing head over heals to give boys oral sex. We have had two girls get pregnant in 7th grade. In 9th grade (and this is tony suburban New Jersey), we have a group of 9th grade girls who are actively searching out seniors to devirginize their friends, so that they have bragging rights. Further, many young women are involved in lesbianism, they openly ridicule many of the attributes that women used to look for in men (loyalty, toughness, chivalry, etc.), and they disdain staying at home to help raise families. Many have had multiple abortions before getting out of high school, and many of those didn't even bother to inform the men who impregnated them (i.e. the fathers). On the other hand, yes, there are some places (maybe at your church), where the tide runs the other way. But overall, the young women I see growing up, ON AVERAGE, have shed the traditional values of the past. For a traditional Christian man, it becomes, in some parts of the country, very, very difficult to find a mate. My son has already spoken to me about this, and I commiserate with him. But in actuality, I think (and correct me if I'm wrong, either of you), both of you want the same thing - young men and women with traditional and Christian moral values. If Mr. Myers suggests to young men that they might be better off with young women espousing those values, wouldn't he be going them a service?
84 posted on 05/29/2002 11:29:17 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
...., I think our only salvation is to return with our children in tow, to the religions we have deserted.

While it is not without flaws, it is the only entity that is wholesome today.

85 posted on 05/29/2002 11:51:57 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: SauronOfMordor
Yes! The way to get rid of the burden which the council poses upon the troop is to do a troop fundraiser. Our troop sells buckets of cookies and keeps between $4-5 on a $10 bucket versus the $.40 they would get on a $3 box of cookies. And the per/cookie price that the customer pays on the bucket makes them cheaper and fresher (and better-tasting) than most of the regular GSA brands.
86 posted on 05/29/2002 12:16:17 PM PDT by MHT
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To: MHT
The Girl Scouts are about as relevant to the formation of future leadership as the WNBA. I don't lose sleep over them.
87 posted on 05/29/2002 12:22:00 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: GrandMoM
...., I think our only salvation is to return with our children in tow, to the religions we have deserted.

Amen to that!

88 posted on 05/29/2002 12:27:13 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: goldstategop
Guess you could add GSA to the master list with the WNBA, the US Women's Socceer Team, and the ever-shrinking list of all-women's colleges (which, tragically, have become icons of liberalism and lesbian recruitment centers).
89 posted on 05/29/2002 12:28:21 PM PDT by MHT
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To: goldstategop
Bumping and bookmarking to read later.
90 posted on 05/29/2002 12:29:11 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity
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To: yendu bwam
The BSA accepts non-Judeo/Christians. Do the American Heritage Girls?
92 posted on 05/29/2002 1:15:34 PM PDT by RonF
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To: GrandMoM
I just tossed my cookies.
93 posted on 05/29/2002 1:21:23 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: murdoog
I never mentioned how many boxes I bought to start with. ;-)

Needless to say, StineCold and I spent a week with stomachaches from too many cookies.

94 posted on 05/29/2002 1:53:21 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: GrandMoM
Have the Girl Scouts become the female equivalent of NAMBLA?I think of the Boy Scouts as Adam and the Girl Scouts as Eve.Just tell Eve you don't like apples!
95 posted on 05/29/2002 3:12:38 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: FourPeas
I wonder what would happen if I printed this article and handed it to some of the mothers standing there with their daughters as they sell cookies? I'll bet some of them have no clue as to this propaganda.
96 posted on 05/29/2002 3:32:26 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: Bella_Bru
Thin Mints are my favorites too..
97 posted on 05/29/2002 3:34:32 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: yendu bwam
I've always wondered why I like Asian women so, and I think you put your finger on it.
98 posted on 05/29/2002 3:39:07 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: yendu bwam
Ok, I am back from work. My shift was 1 pm to 9 pm today. It is amazing to watch these youngsters at work. They look like normal people. Yet, they have strange ideas.

One boy told me that he doesn't expect his significant other to be faithful. He only asks that she not give him an STD.

I see 14, 15, 16 year old girls with them who have no concept of morality. The girls who go from boy to boy are called farm rats. We have one boy who is "really in love" with this girl. He is 16, I think. I think she is his first "intimate" girlfriend. We will see how long this mother of all romances lasts.

No, I don't think they are happy either. What do they have to look forward to? A series of brief flings until old age catches up to them? Love? They don't even trust each other. They live together nowadays. They don't trust each other enough to make a real commitment like marriage.

99 posted on 05/29/2002 7:26:04 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: GrandMoM
"These young adults are not stupid and most can read people like a book."

These "young adults" are boys 14 to 18, with the standard teenage viewpoints. They form their own opinions, and look at the older folks as outdated and antiquated. They think that the older folks have nothing to do with their generation.

"....and isn't it quite possible you may be adding to the damage all ready done."

I don't think so. They think I am very old-fashioned and hopeless.

"I do, I teach Sunday school and a great deal of my lessons are on daily life, and future expectations !"

You spend maybe an hour a week with kids in Sunday School. No,ma am, it just isn't the same thing at all.

"Could you just explain what these attitudes are and do all or most males share your views?"

The attitudes involve a new morality or lack of it. Many of these kids don't know what sex they prefer. Many of them just go both ways and call it even.

They think that having sex with a good acquaintance is the accepted thing, which it is to them, and their parents. Kids start having sex almost from puberty, and many girls are single moms while they are in grade/high school.

The boys talk about single moms who expect to have another child before they graduate from high school. I see young girls walking out from one of the local schools who are carrying two kids. They have a nursery at the school.

Girls are being taught that boys are not really the ideal mate. Lesbianism and homosexuality is taught and practiced in our grade and high schools and colleges.

The youngsters of today don't expect to get married, if at all, until much later in life. They practice the hedonistic life style, and let the devil take the hind most.

Do you want more elucidation?

100 posted on 05/29/2002 7:41:38 PM PDT by Don Myers
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