Posted on 05/29/2002 6:56:06 PM PDT by Spar
UN Lawyer Turns Over Hijacker Info
Wed May 29, 4:06 PM ET
By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer
UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The chief U.N. war crimes prosecutor has turned over information about one of the Sept. 11 hijackers to the United States, France and the Netherlands, the U.N. spokesman said Wednesday.
The cooperation between the United Nations (news - web sites) and other countries, especially the United States, has raised concerns that Washington may be exerting undue influence on the world body.
But U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said the United Nations should cooperate in the fight against terrorism — just as its 189 members were asked to do by the Security Council and the General Assembly after Sept. 11.
"The United Nations considers that it too has an obligation to assist countries, particularly if a state has been the target of terror activities," he said.
The war crimes prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte, said last October that information concerning people "with connections to terrorist groups," primarily in Bosnia, was provided to Pierre Prosper, the U.S. ambassador at large for war crimes.
On Wednesday, Eckhard confirmed for the first time that the information included material related to "one of the named terrorists said to have been on one of the hijacked aircraft" on Sept. 11. Eckhard refused to name the hijacker but said the information was also shared with the French and Dutch governments.
The United States is clearly interested in any information the United Nations can provide.
"Since Sept. 11, we've had discussions with various U.N. officials on how we can improve the international effort to fight terrorism," a U.S. official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
But some U.N. officials contend the United States has exerted too much power.
Madeline Rees, the head of the U.N. human rights office in the Bosnian capital, Sarajevo, asked for an investigation in January into the way the United States pressured Bosnian officials to turn over six Algerian terror suspects. She suggested that the move damaged the very legal system Washington was trying to build in postwar Bosnia.
"The international community had definitely played a role in this unlawful handover," she said Wednesday.
Following the terrorist attacks on the United States, Del Ponte was approached by the U.S. Embassy in The Hague (news - web sites), Netherlands and asked for information in identifying those responsible, Eckhard said.
"The office of the prosecutor did in fact have some information in relation to one of the named terrorists said to have been on one of the hijacked aircraft," he said. An electronic version of some of the information was then given to Prosper as well as French and Dutch officials, Eckhard said.
Florence Hartmann, the spokeswoman for Del Ponte, said U.N. investigators may have had information about some Muslim fighters who stayed on in Bosnia after the civil war ended in 1995.
"There were some documents that could be linked" to the hunt for terrorists that were handed over, she said Wednesday.
EDITORS: Associated Press writers George Jahn and Aida Cerkez-Robinson contributed to this report.
Since we disproportionately fund that nest of vipers, it's only fair that we get our money's worth...
Wed May 29, 3:33 PM ET
By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer
UNITED NATIONS - The chief U.N. war crimes prosecutor has turned over information about one of the Sept. 11 hijackers to the United States, France and the Netherlands, the U.N. spokesman said Wednesday.
The prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte, said last October that she gave information concerning people "with connections to terrorist groups," primarily in Bosnia, to Pierre Prosper, the U.S. ambassador at large for war crimes.
But U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard confirmed for the first time that the information included material "in relation to one of the named terrorists said to have been on one of the hijacked aircraft" on Sept. 11, and that it was also supplied to the French and Dutch governments.
The cooperation between the United Nations (news - web sites) and other countries, especially the United States, has raised concerns that Washington may be exerting undue influence on the world body.
But Eckhard said the United Nations should cooperate in the fight against terrorism — just as all 189 member states in the organization have been called on to cooperate by the Security Council and the General Assembly since Sept. 11.
"The United Nations considers that it, too, has an obligation to assist countries, particularly if a state has been the target of terror activities," he said.
The United States is clearly interested in any information the United Nations can provide.
"Since Sept. 11, we've had discussions with various U.N. officials on how we can improve the international effort to fight terrorism," a U.S. official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Some U.N. officials contend the United States has exerted too much power.
Madeline Rees, the head of the U.N. human rights office in the Bosnian capital, Sarajevo, asked for an investigation in January of the way the United States pressured Bosnian officials to turn over six Algerian terrorism suspects. She suggested the action had damaged the legal system Washington was trying to build in postwar Bosnia.
"The international community had definitely played a role in this unlawful handover," she said Wednesday.
Following the attacks in New York and Washington, which killed more than 3,000 people, Del Ponte was approached by the U.S. Embassy in The Hague (news - web sites), Netherlands — where the tribunal for prosecuting war crimes in former Yugoslavia and Rwanda is based — and asked for information in identifying those responsible, Eckhard said.
"The office of the prosecutor did in fact have some information in relation to one of the named terrorists said to have been on one of the hijacked aircraft," Eckhard said, refusing to disclose the hijacker's identity.
In The Hague on Oct. 9, the prosecutor gave an electronic version of the information to Prosper, Eckhard said. "An identical copy of the same material was supplied to the French and the Dutch governments as well following requests from them to the prosecutor."
After Del Ponte's meeting with Prosper, she told a news conference she gave him information concerning "people who were staying in Bosnia in connection with terrorist groups."
In August, just weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks, the Yugoslav tribunal unsealed an indictment against three Muslim generals held responsible for war crimes allegedly committed by volunteer foreign fighters under their command, mostly from Islamic countries. They were accused of murdering hundreds of civilians and committing other atrocities.
Many volunteers, described as mujahedeen or holy warriors, were believed to be veterans of the campaign against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan (news - web sites) that ended in 1989.
Florence Hartmann, the spokeswoman for Del Ponte, said at the time that U.N. investigators may have had information about some volunteers who stayed on in Bosnia after the war ended in 1995.
Hartmann said handing over documents was not unusual, citing the example of how Del Ponte provided Belgrade authorities with information about former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic (news - web sites)'s financial dealings as part of an investigation that led to indictments against him for war crimes.
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Associated Press writers George Jahn in Vienna, Austria, and Aida Cerkez-Robinson in Sarajevo, Bosnia, contributed to this report.
Huh?? what exactly is that suppose to mean
Yup!! And that is the Clinton originated scandal known as BIN LADEN GATE
Terrorist Suspects' Families Protest in Bosnia [Chanting ``God is great'']
U.S. Accused of Undermining Bosnians "Uncle Sam urinating on Bosnia's constitution"
Just ask one of them who flew the planes into the world trade center....TO A MAN OR WOMAN they will say, " THE JEWS DID IT...muslims would NEVER do that!"
They are real hard cases.
I wonder how true that statement really is. I mean, did the spokesman actually say that? With a straight face?
Aren't these the same folks that Maddie "The Troll" Halfbright keeps defending??
Unless that nation is Isreal.
There's really no surprise here, except that it took this long for it to come out.
To: guru
where is bin laden these days?
2 Posted on 11/10/1999 13:27:07 PST by eniapmot
The whole structure of "postwar Bosnia" is itself ILLEGITIMATE!!!! The muslim entity in Bosnia was itself set up EXPLICTLY as a beach-head for the islamic conquest of Europe. That includes serving as a sanctuary and support system for jihadists like al Qaeda!!!
If we are serious about ending terrorist and subversive activity in "Bosnia", we must be ready to end muslim "Bosnia" as we know it!!! This is despite the screams of the muslim-shill "human rightsers", and the New World Order uber-"judges" like the witch Del Ponte and all her sub-witches!
Some of them had a party here in my city just a couple of nights after 9/11....in COMPLETE disregard/disrepect for the suffering that was going on in this great country after the tragedy caused by their FELLOW muslim LOSERS!!!!
klintoon has alot to answer for...he assisted all those muslim creeps in the Balkans....just more of his MANY SINS!!
I'll second that. And I'll throw in a third and fourth for good measure. Actually I'd prefer to throw a few UN delegates on the third rail of a New York subway train.
Alija Izetbegobic, Ideological Biography
Professor J Peter Maher of Northeast Illinois University, March, 1999
Alija Izetbegovic: his background and philosophies
This is a briefing paper produced for Members of the 1992/3 Session of Australian Parliament;
Monday, 21 December 1992.
The report downplays the Young Muslim Nazi angle but the movement was also modeled on the Hitler Jugend, and supportered by Baldur von Shirach.
ALIJA IZETBEGOVIC - BRIEF
ALIJA IZETBEGOVIC, leader of the SDA (Muslim Party of Democratic Action), is currently the President of the Presidency of Bosnia-Hercegovina. He was born in Bosanski Samac in 1925, went to school in Sarajevo, and eventually completed law school; he had no schooling in religion within the Islamic school system.
Izetbegovic’s Early Years.
From his early youth, Izetbegovic dedicated himself to Islamic work. At 16 he ecame part of the group that founded religious-political organisation "Young Muslims" in Sarajevo, in 1940. From the very outset the "YM" was modelled on fundamentalist formations in the Islamic world, such as "As-subban al-muslimun" and "Al-ikwan al-muslimun". One of the five points of the "YM" programme insisted on the unity of the Muslim world through the creation of one large Muslim state. During the Second World War, the "YM" grew and become part of a network of Islamic religious groups headed by the highly conservative theologian of the Mehmed Handzic (1906-1944). The "YM" were not officially pro-fascist in orientation, though they were pursued for this by the Communist regime after 1945. There were, however, many individual examples of active collaboration with the Ustashi government.
Izetbegovic was arrested in 1946, for his significant participation in founding the Muslim journal MUDZAHID. He spent the next three years in jail for promoting hatred. At the same time, his friend Nedzib Sacirbegovic was given a four year prison sentence. Sacirbegovic is now Izetbegovic’s personal representative in the USA and his son Muhamed, is Bosnia-Hercegovina’s ambassador to the UN. Izetbegovic has systematically promoted to top positions in the SDA people who were political "cadres" in the original "YM" movement.
In February 1949, the "Young Muslims" started an open revolt. This was short-lived. During subsequent trials held in Sarajevo in 1949, four members of the "YM" were sentenced to death and many were given prison sentences. After this lesson, Islamic activists stopped creating illegal groups and started working on Islamisation "from underneath". This meant penetrating the very pores of the system’s institutions, including the formal Islamic community, because the activists considered their leaders to be traitors to the authentic Islamic cause. From the beginning Izetbegovic preferred Shiite Islamic radicalism in comparison to the Sunni.
Izetbegovic’s doctrine - "The Islamic Declaration"
Izetbegovic published many articles in Muslim journals (TAKVIM, GVIS, etc.), discussing the sad state of Islam and the necessity for its universal regeneration. In 1970, he wrote and distributed to people of confidence, his specific manifesto or programme for radical pan-Islam - the ISLAMIC DECLARATION.
In this booklet, similar to many of the same type circulating in the Islamic world, but the only one of its sort in Yugoslavia, Izetbegovic advocated:
- general Islamic moral and religious regeneration;
- a return to true Islamic values;
- (re)Islamisation of Muslims;
- creation and strengthening of different types of Islamic unity; struggle, up to and including Political and armed war for the creation of an Islamic order in countries where Muslims represent majority, or near majority of the population.
In line with his pan-Islamic and anti-secular thinking, Izetbegovic stated in the ISLAMIC DECLARATION that:
- there should be the establishment of "a united Islamic community from Morocco to Indonesia";
- with reference to the Turkish model - "Turkey as an Islamic country used to rule the world. Turkey as an imitation of Europe represents a third-rate country, the like of which there is a hundred in the world.";
- "there can be neither peace nor coexistence between the Islamic faith and non-Islamic social and political institutions";
-"the Islamic movement must and can, take over political power as soon as it is morally and numerically so strong that it can not only destroy the existing non-Islamic power, but also to build up a new Islamic one".
The ISLAMIC DECLARATION is imbued with a deep-set intolerance towards "the values of western civilisation", both capitalist and Marxist. It was re-published in 1990 in Sarajevo, testifying to the fact that its author, in the meantime, had in no way gone back on his positions, one of Islamic fundamentalism.
Muslims who gathered around the re-published ISLAMIC DECLARATION, were former members of the "YM" and new activists. They tie their activities to those of Muslim centres abroad - religious, political, propaganda and economic - above all with specific groups in Iran.
In his book ISLAM BETWEEN EAST AND WEST, published first in the USA (1984) and then Turkey, develops his views on the superiority of Islam over all other religions, cultures, ideologies and philosophies. This book was published in Serbo-Croatian, only in Belgrade in 1988; the Sarajevo authorities used all means to prevent it getting published at all.
Izetbegovic - leader of Bosnia’s Muslims
With a group of Muslim activists, Izetbegovic was arrested in 1983 for activities against the state. As the chief defendant, he was sentenced to fourteen years. In 1988, he was released after less than six years of prison.
After the fall of Communism in Yugoslavia, Izetbegovic became one of the leaders in the creation of the SDA party (1990), as a Muslim political party. He was elected President with the support of his old fellows from the ranks of the "YM" and the support of the young radicals. Izetbegovic gave his new, nominally national and civilian political party, a deeply-set religious connotation. As the first president of the collective Presidency of this young state, and by far the most influential Muslim politician on the soil of former Yugoslavia (having ousted his more popular rival Fikret Abdic), the strength of his position allows him to pursue his youthful (pan)Islamic dreams.
His internal and external policies changed tactfully as per the power struggle both inside and outside of Yugoslavia. But, from a strategic standpoint Izetbegovic has not budget an inch from his early conception that "every good Muslim, through his formal engagement, including the political one, at all times and all places, must above all serve Islam, by force if necessary". Because of Izetbegovic’s anti-Communism, the fundamentalist radicalism of the political programme contained in the ISLAMIC DECLARATION, went virtually unnoticed in most western countries.
As such, the rise of a native and authentic Islamic fundamentalist movement in Yugoslavia, was for the West, up until recently, an incomprehensible and inconceivable idea. For some, it remains so today.
This fanatical conviction of Izetbegovic - namely that the highest motive justifies every move, every decision, (including that of disposing of his predecessors), has definitely helped plunge Bosnia into the midst of an ethnic and religious war.
Commentary added by Balkan Research Center: Only after one carefully considers the foregoing does it become understandable why, recently, Izetbegovic signed an agreement for the "cantonisation" of Bosnia with representatives of the European Community in Lisbon [in 1992], and cancelled it two days later. Izetbegovic will accept any kind of deal in order to get his way, he is not ashamed if it is proved that he lies, because he says "all is allowed for Islam".
Now it seems logical why Izetbegovic visited only radical Muslim countries during the first nine months of his presidency. Izetbegovic is a man who is willing to sacrifice half of the population to achieve his religious goals, to be the first president of an Islamic state in Europe, however small.
In the light of above facts one can better understand Izetbegovic’s statements of sympathy for the "Islamic Revolution" in Iran. Only Izetbegovic and Ayatollah Khomeini, out of all presidents who officially visited Turkey, did not pay respect to the grave of Ataturk, for them he was a traitor to fundamentalist Muslim principles.
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Selling the Bosnian Myth to America: Buyer Beware!
U.S. POLICY AND THE BOSNIAN CIVIL WAR: A Time for Reevaluation
VRN
The USA spent billions and risked the American military in support for the same Bosnian Muslims that helped al-Qaida carry out 9/11.
The Serbs, fighting a defensive war against elements of the world wide jihad we Americans are fighting right now were never a threat to American national security unlike it turns out the Bosnian Muslims who are a threat to my country and to Western civilization in general.
Spar's hero Pericles was trying to push the "Bosnian hijacker" theory until running afoul of the lack of evidence for said theory.
This is just another pseudo-sop for Serb nationalist losers trying to retroactively justify the crimes of their bretheren.
Let 'em have something to gum on - it keeps 'em out of serious trouble and the more outrageous their stories get, the less credibility they'll see when they try to foist their mythology onto the rest of the world.
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Bosnian Musli butchers helped kill up to 3,000 Americans and I will do all I can to make that garbage heap of an entity vanish from the face of the earth.
WRONG!!!! This is from former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia James Bisset:
Later, as many thousands of Bosnians marched for peace fearing the inevitable blood bath of civil war, a peace settlement seemed to have been reached through the skillful negotiations of the Portuguese Foreign Minister, Jose Cutileiro. The so-called, Lisbon Agreement,of March 1992 held out the last hope that the three religious groups in Bosnia might live peacefully together. It was not to be. The United States dispatched its Ambassador [Warren Christopher] from Belgrade to Sarajevo, who encouraged the Muslim leader, Alia Izetbegovic to withdraw his signature from the agreement he had signed along with his Serbian and Croatian counterparts. This US intervention guaranteed civil war in Bosnia and the death and displacement of thousands of people.
It was not "Serb genocidal mania" that caused the bloodbath in Bosnia, but New World Order/muslim collusion. Moreover, Izetbegovic's "Bosnia" was planned from the beginning to be a haven for muslim thugs and subversives, especially those from Iran, the Gulf states, and Pakistan, whom Izzie was dealing with from the git-go. The Serbs DIDN'T COUNT in Izzie's plans--after all, his Islamic Declaration stated that there was no place for Christians in his islamic state unless they converted to islam!!!!
By the way, where do you get off tallking about "you Serbs"? Spar is not Serbian. Serbophobes--whether "Western" ones or muslim ones, assume that no one but Serbs would ever take the Serbian side of anything, since the Serbs are supposed to be so "evil". Well, it just isn't true!!!!
And I--as well as many other Freepers--think that you are not really "ABrit", but "AShiptar"!!!! If you are a Brit, maybe you're Noel Malcolm, who is almost as much an honorary Shiptar as I am an honorary Serb!!!!
What a laugh that is!!
Our agency is no longer bringing bosnian muslims into the city....the emphasis now is to re-unite Serbs with their relatives who HAVE BEEN IN REFUGEE CAMPS INSIDE SERBIA FOR QUITE AWHILE....actually, since that shipturd ceku and his slimely croatia ethnic cleansers, ran over 250,000 Serbs out of the Krajina!!
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Islam Under the Swastika The Grand Mufti and the Nazi Protectorate of Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945 In his book The Islamic Declaration, (Islamska Deklaracija, 1970; republished, 1990), Izetbegovic rejected the secular conception of an Islamic state espoused by Kemal Ataturk. Izetbegovic sought to create an Islamic state based in the Sharia, a state where religion would not be separate from the state, i.e., an Islamic theocratic state. Izebegovic established close links to Ossama Bin Laden and al-Qeada and invited mujadedeen forces to join the Bosnian Muslim Army. Izetbegovic later would give Ossama Bin laden a special Bosnian passport and the mujahedeen ìfreedom fightersî would receive Bosnian citizenship and passports. One of the hijackers of the second attack on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, possessed a Bosnian passport.