Posted on 05/30/2002 5:20:31 PM PDT by RCW2001
Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
WASHINGTON -- The United States is working on a Middle East peace proposal that would include creating an independent Palestinian state, senior administration officials said Wednesday.
Such a plan would go a step further than the previous U.S. position, which was merely to endorse the idea of statehood.
(Excerpt) Read more at usatoday.com ...
Dude, you and Moronica are the biggest name callers on this site.
Look, do you actually believe that the Palestinians can make a go on their own? There will be a minimum of 5 years of infighting to even form a "government" No pro "Palestinian" Middle Eastern" country is willing to help them if it costs anything. There is no percentage in developing WMD capabilities in a Palestinian ghetto. At least that is my opinion.
Yup ! They don't get it do they ?
Apply that same logic back to Israel back in 1948 or what every year ot was?
They made it because the USA paid their way !
That is not exactly the case. The US gave Israel very little in the way of monetary support until the 1960's. But you make a valid point. The "Palestinian state" will just be another welfare state. Two things will come from this. Either the Palestinians will be satisfied and live in peace OR they will continue their suicidal tendencies but without the facade of being "occupied" people. That is what I meant about a country to declare war on, not just a "people".
I really haven't encountered any supporters of Muslim terrorism here on FR...you must be hangin' out with the wrong crowd. I have run into a few rabid Zionists...watch out for them. They're really radical, always talking and joking about killing "Palis", etc. The best way to deal with them is to hit the abuse button. By the way, I know you meant no disrespect to anyone, but "Muslim" should be capitalized.
I'm calling you on this one, missy. Prove it.
Hint: I almost always imply something about someone, and rarely, if ever, call a name. For example, in this post to you, I never call you a liar, but it is implied.
You should take your own advice.
You see, the U.N, the European Union, the Bush White House, the Chinese, etc. believe in a Palestinian state.
So what? Morally, they are all wrong to do so.
It's only you, Sharoniac, the New Kach party and a few other fanatics that believe in killing off or "transferring" the Palestinians who have already been made refugees once.
As usual, you are incorrect. I have never advocated killing off or transferring the so-called "Palestinians". But while we're on the subject of refugees, can you explain to me why all the people, nations, and organizations you mentioned above failed to call for a Palestinian State when Jordon and Egypt controlled the territories? You can't? What a surprise!
Why don't you join in and give these folks a break.
Because people who celebrate while their Arab buddies murder over 3000 of my countrymen don't deserve a break. Obviously, you feel differently about those who rejoiced at the murders of my countrymen. Again, no surprise.
After all, a secure and independent Palestine would be good for Isreal. The alternative is only more bloodshead on both sides.
Well, judging by your previous posts, the only bloodshed you care about is when so-called "Palestinians" are killed. So can your false concern about "both sides". Moreover, you cannot prove that a "secure and independent Palestine" would be good for Israel or is even achievable. After all, just how many Arab democracies are there?
First thing you've said that makes any sense.
I don't recall ever calling either you or the President a moron so maybe you could point that out to me? But, yes, the President lacks the courage to tell the whole truth about the so-called "Palestinians". After September 11th, he said some brave words about terrorists. Then he failed to apply those standards to those who blow up little Jewish children. If that's not moral cowardice, then what is it?
BTW, as regards YOUR courage, I never said a word about it. However, I harbor no illusions about that either.
The relevance is that they have no land/political/legal rights except those given to them by those who control the area, and Israel has been more than generous in that regard. The lie that they are a distinct people and thus entitled to rights as a distinct people should be exposed. The land was never, ever theirs. They exist on it due to the generousity of the Israelis and, had it not been for the UN and the other Arab countries, their existance would be much better than it is. In 1967, when Israel first won the lands in a defensive war, they offered to provide basic humanitarian care to these people and help them build decent homes, hospitals, schools, etc. But the UN and the other Arabs, wanting to keep these people in shabby conditions so that they could exploit them and keep their hatred alive, told Israel not to do it. Israel should not have listened.
I have never advocated killing off or transferring the so-called "Palestinians".
Please explain just what you and Sharoniac would do to these people you hate so much.
The US provided about 3% of their GNP by giving the Israelis a credit to buy American arms and goods. Hardly, "paying their way". But if you want to go on with this attitude, go right ahead.
The reality is that we help Israel because it's in our best interests to help Israel. If we hadn't helped Israel in 1973, they might have used their nukes on the Arabs. True, they might have vaporized themselves, but they would have taken a large percentage of the world's oil supply with them, and the planetary effects of such a large scale nuclear operation would be disasterous.
During the Holocaust, the world paid a price for allowing Hitler to exterminate the Jews. The world still doesn't realize or acknowledge the price, but it is there. If the world is willing to sit by and watch the Arabs exterminate the Jews of Israel, the Israelis are prepared to exact a much higher price for the world's hatred and/or indifference. I imagine you would feel similarly if you were in their shoes.
Get the arabs off Israel's land!
I don't know since I don't belong to the ADL. How are things at Hamas HQ? Or is it the KKK? Want to keep being obnoxious or would you like to grow up?
Please explain just what you and Sharoniac would do to these people you hate so much.
Since you fail to answer even one of my questions, I don't see why I should honor yours. Moreover, you fail to show where either Sharon or I "hate" these people. Although I can appreciate how much you love those who celebrated the murder of my countrymen.
Let me know when you'd like to stop this silliness and grow up.
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